Elks @ Bombers

Started by Pigskin, June 22, 2025, 05:55:04 PM

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TBURGESS

I think we beat up on EDM, but running QB's have given us trouble for years so I see Ford getting a bunch of yards. 
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LXTSN

We had a ton of success vs Ford last year by only rushing 4 and keeping contain rather than rushing to get a sack. Make Ford throw the ball and trust our secondary in man coverage.

Blue In BC

Did someone suggest that Rankin is injured? Either way I think we an contain their RB's. The issue is whether we can continue to make Ford uneasy while containing him at the same time. He's a danger to run and make a big pass play by extending his time.

Our secondary can cover their receivers if Ford gets outside that's where they have a chance to have a successful play.

All of that, IMO they have no ability to have long multi play drives. They survive on chunk plays on broken plays too often.
One game at a time.

The Zipp

Quote from: LXTSN on June 23, 2025, 02:45:41 PMWe had a ton of success vs Ford last year by only rushing 4 and keeping contain rather than rushing to get a sack. Make Ford throw the ball and trust our secondary in man coverage.

exactly.  he lobs the ball instead of firing it - even on short passes. 

Blueforlife

Quote from: Blue In BC on June 23, 2025, 03:43:24 PMDid someone suggest that Rankin is injured? Either way I think we an contain their RB's. The issue is whether we can continue to make Ford uneasy while containing him at the same time. He's a danger to run and make a big pass play by extending his time.

Our secondary can cover their receivers if Ford gets outside that's where they have a chance to have a successful play.

All of that, IMO they have no ability to have long multi play drives. They survive on chunk plays on broken plays too often.
techno raised the questions if he is hurt (Rankin), must be something going on based on their recent signing (guess).

Quote from: TBURGESS on June 23, 2025, 02:16:00 PMI think we beat up on EDM, but running QB's have given us trouble for years so I see Ford getting a bunch of yards.
I think our LBs will get him this time.

But yes he will get to us a bit, he does this to mostly everyone.

Throw Long Bannatyne

Quote from: TBURGESS on June 23, 2025, 02:16:00 PMI think we beat up on EDM, but running QB's have given us trouble for years so I see Ford getting a bunch of yards.

No problem, if the Bombers put 30 points up on the board, they should win.

Blue In BC

#21
 Copied from 3rd down that one of the posters made. I'm neither 4 or against his suggestions but they are interesting. Discuss any or all of his thoughts. BTW, Rankin is at practice with 1st team today.

I'd consider making some changes this week with the only dangerous when mobile and improvising ford at QB. Jon Jones would get in. I'd get Mitchell on this week also (something about playing old teams theory) Kyrie can come out. I'd get vanterpool in for Randolph. Wallace was fine. Randolph and Bryant struggled and it had nothing to do with the center. That's just hilarious honestly. Bryant getting beat isn't cuz of Kolo.
Randolph tho gives me takes plays off vibes where vanterpool does not. Cooley looked good. He can stay on. Not sure how you make it all work ratio wise but on would be J Jones, Vanterpool Mitchell. Off would be Kyrie Randolph and prob Sterns. Then you get Bailey on for Weitz cuz backup end is needed desperately with the aging ends we start. I'd consider benching Jefferson honestly for 1 game and inserting person. Thomas shouldn't be getting 70 percent of the starters reps either. I'd also, Tony Jones leaves a lot to be desired honestly. I dunno. Yeah tackles but most are after yards gained it seems. I just think he's average. Why not Ayers at Wil J Jones in the middle. Kramdi for ratio purposes. Griffin and the cdn kids backing up. 
One game at a time.

Throw Long Bannatyne

Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 23, 2025, 09:00:48 AMThe key will be have a spy or semi-spy (we've done this before for him) and contain.  A contain strategy may give him more time in the pocket though.

No Brown this season?  And Rankin maybe injured?  That leaves only Leake, right?  That really puts a damper on their run game plans.  But we can't get cocky.  Last time we did that Brown ripped like 200Y on us.


Kevin Brown re-signed with the Argos just last week after being cut in TC, he reminds me of Stanback in his first few years in the CFL.

Pigskin

Second game of the season for ZC8. Expecting a better outing for him.
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Pigskin

Quote from: Blue In BC on June 23, 2025, 06:02:53 PMCopied from 3rd down that one of the posters made. I'm neither 4 or against his suggestions but they are interesting. Discuss any or all of his thoughts. BTW, Rankin is at practice with 1st team today.

I'd consider making some changes this week with the only dangerous when mobile and improvising ford at QB. Jon Jones would get in. I'd get Mitchell on this week also (something about playing old teams theory) Kyrie can come out. I'd get vanterpool in for Randolph. Wallace was fine. Randolph and Bryant struggled and it had nothing to do with the center. That's just hilarious honestly. Bryant getting beat isn't cuz of Kolo.
Randolph tho gives me takes plays off vibes where vanterpool does not. Cooley looked good. He can stay on. Not sure how you make it all work ratio wise but on would be J Jones, Vanterpool Mitchell. Off would be Kyrie Randolph and prob Sterns. Then you get Bailey on for Weitz cuz backup end is needed desperately with the aging ends we start. I'd consider benching Jefferson honestly for 1 game and inserting person. Thomas shouldn't be getting 70 percent of the starters reps either. I'd also, Tony Jones leaves a lot to be desired honestly. I dunno. Yeah tackles but most are after yards gained it seems. I just think he's average. Why not Ayers at Wil J Jones in the middle. Kramdi for ratio purposes. Griffin and the cdn kids backing up. 

Short week so yes, Bailey in for Weitz. Mitchell in for Sterns. Lawson missed most of TC, he will see more reps. Leave the OL alone. Jones in for Wilson if he needs a maintenance week. Benching Willy that had to be a joke. 
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GOLDMEMBER

#25
Can't envision a game where Ford throws at least 2 picks if not more...
Hope Tyrell enjoys all this losing!
Edm has a good DL, I look at Hagen to come up with a dynamic offensive game plan.
A Vaval return TD just might happen here.
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Blueforlife

#26
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on June 23, 2025, 09:31:30 PMCan't envision a game where Ford throws at least 2 picks of not more...
Hope Tyrell enjoys all this losing!
Edm has a good DL, I look at Hagen to come up with a dynamic offensive game plan.
A Vaval return TD just might happen here.
Hogan
Agree Vaval
I think Ford will come around eventually yes he will throw ducks as he learns
Quote from: Pigskin on June 23, 2025, 08:35:51 PMShort week so yes, Bailey in for Weitz. Mitchell in for Sterns. Lawson missed most of TC, he will see more reps. Leave the OL alone. Jones in for Wilson if he needs a maintenance week. Benching Willy that had to be a joke. 
I would keep Sterns in.  Lawson sure! OL agree.  Wilson be fine unless knicked.

Anyone see what Weitz did? He was on ST.  I am curious what Bailey can do!  Can he play teams? Weitz might have that advantage (guessing).

Blue In BC

Quote from: Blueforlife on June 23, 2025, 09:44:12 PMHogan
Agree Vaval
I think Ford will come around eventually yes he will throw ducks as he learnsI would keep Sterns in.  Lawson sure! OL agree.  Wilson be fine unless knicked.

Anyone see what Weitz did? He was on ST.  I am curious what Bailey can do!  Can he play teams? Weitz might have that advantage (guessing).

I saw Weitz on cover teams and he lined up to the left of centre to block before going downfield. I don't know who he replaced from week 1. I never noticed him near a returner but that doesn't mean he wasn't in his correct lane. It's so hard to evaluate most players on ST's.

It's too bad we don't get depth charts for ST's. I'd like to understand who he replaced and / or why that happened. The only thing that comes to mind is an adjustment losing Benson in the grand scheme of things.

Bailey should be able to play ST's but whether he gets any reps doing that in practice, no one has mentioned. I'd think he's faster than Weitz but he may not be able to " block " at the LOS before running downfield.

The conversation was more about Bailey giving our DE's some rotation being more of a benefit than a player only playing ST's. The coaches seemed very high on him and obviously traded to get him in the draft by moving up.

One game at a time.

The Zipp

i would expect minimal changes to the Bomber lineup...one real practice between games. unless someone is hurt - which i didn't see i think they roll with the same lineup

Blue In BC

Quote from: Pigskin on June 23, 2025, 08:35:51 PMShort week so yes, Bailey in for Weitz. Mitchell in for Sterns. Lawson missed most of TC, he will see more reps. Leave the OL alone. Jones in for Wilson if he needs a maintenance week. Benching Willy that had to be a joke. 

I have some of the same ideas but I'm not expecting any unforced roster changes this week. OTOH, with a short week, adding fresher legs somewhere is not the worst idea I suppose.

Looking at the stats from last week our DB's are making most of the tackles. The Lions didn't run much but that's somewhat of a concern. Parker was our 2nd leading tackler and that suggests things happening further downfield, past the LOS.

Our DL seems to be getting more pressure but aren't getting sacks or even making tackles. I'd like to see more stops at the LOS or even TFL. At the very least less time for QB's to throw. Especially against a slower more mobile QB like Masoli.

Now against Edmonton that's a different problem with Ford's mobility. We'll see if we can maintain pressure and create panic by Ford.  Ford is capable of buying more time than Masoli and DB's can't cover forever.

I think J. Jones is faster than Wilson but Wilson has a very high football IQ and he contains the edge very well. That said I do wonder if Jones is not a better option against Ford.

Regardless, I expect another victory. Elks are not a very good team so if we don't make the kinds of mistake the Lions did, we should win by 10+. We also can't let 2 wins go to our heads.



One game at a time.