Cooley vs Peterson

[TecnoGenius]

Cooley will be kept around.

I'm pretty sure in Mafia's mind Cooley is this year's McCrae.  He's McCrae but more runner and less receiver.  And more power.  But he'll still be handled/rostered just like McCrae was.  That means: a lot of PR, some AR, but mostly when there's an injury somewhere.

Ironically, the most critical determining factor for Cooley on AR may be 2 vs 3 IMP OL.  Still need to see what the true "desired" lineup is!

[TecnoGenius]

It's pretty rare we can do a direct comparison of two starters in back to back weeks against the same defense.

Chris Streveler 15/24, 246 yards, 3 TDs, 1 Int
Zach Collaros 18/25, 179 yards, 2 TDs, 2 Int

Not 100% same.  2 critical differences:

Teuhema in, and he's a top tier DL, and caused the sack on Zach.  Zach was winding up for a deep bomb to the strong side -- that could be 40Y added in right there.

Vanterpool out: hard to tell what this changed, maybe nothing with Wallace doing well, but hard to be sure.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

Not 100% same.  2 critical differences:

Teuhema in, and he's a top tier DL, and caused the sack on Zach.  Zach was winding up for a deep bomb to the strong side -- that could be 40Y added in right there.

Vanterpool out: hard to tell what this changed, maybe nothing with Wallace doing well, but hard to be sure.

Also BC was better prepared and made fewer gap mistakes on defence.

Disappointed Wilson has been relegated to clipboard holder, if Zach doesn't miss games he's unlikely to see  any action, which will stall his development. By next season Artopeus or Elgersma might make him expendable as quickly as TC.

[Blue In BC]

I'm pretty sure in Mafia's mind Cooley is this year's McCrae.  He's McCrae but more runner and less receiver.  And more power.  But he'll still be handled/rostered just like McCrae was.  That means: a lot of PR, some AR, but mostly when there's an injury somewhere.

Ironically, the most critical determining factor for Cooley on AR may be 2 vs 3 IMP OL.  Still need to see what the true "desired" lineup is!

McCrae also was returning and he was on the roster when we had more than 7 Canadians starting. That's a significant difference. He had more versatility than Cooley at the moment.

I don't know if they will see if Cooley can add some versatility but it's a different situation on multiple levels.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

McCrae also was returning and he was on the roster when we had more than 7 Canadians starting. That's a significant difference. He had more versatility than Cooley at the moment.

I don't know if they will see if Cooley can add some versatility but it's a different situation on multiple levels.

The ratio flexibility lies with Hagerty, Kelly and Makonzo all on Defence, once they get a few of them back they'll have more roster versatility.  Can't see O'Shea being happy with the minimum ratio available, it restricts the roster in too many ways when injuries strike.

[Blue In BC]

The ratio flexibility lies with Hagerty, Kelly and Makonzo all on Defence, once they get a few of them back they'll have more roster versatility.  Can't see O'Shea being happy with the minimum ratio available, it restricts the roster in too many ways when injuries strike.

Hagerty was just moved to PR but the updated rosters and IR info still not accurate. Cooley still shows on PR for example. Woods moved to 6 game IR as well.

Either Kelly or Makonzo would help with the ratio flexibility but both are on 6 game IR. I have no idea whether either will be healthy in 2025.

[GOLDMEMBER]

I dislike the title of this thread.
Both are quality back ups as of now.
Any updates on Brady?

[Blue In BC]

I dislike the title of this thread.
Both are quality back ups as of now.
Any updates on Brady?

Nothing wrong with the title. We don't have enough info on either to pick a winner. It's about the pro's and cons of how it applies to the ratio and how it differs from McCrae as an example.

As mentioned we needed depth at RB but gave up depth on the OL. Whether we downgraded the OL or not comes into question.

Taking Vanterpool off made sense to allow Cooley the ability to come into the game at any time. OTOH, Vanterpool would have played every offensive snap. Cooley only touched the ball 7 times but he might have been on the field more than that.

We escaped without an injury to Peterson or on the OL, so no harm no foul per se.

No word on Oliveria and I doubt he even practices this week. Precaution IMO but the vagueness of daily IR reports doesn't help.

If he doesn't play next week, I'll be more concerned. That will be true even if our running game is successful. Oliveria is more than just yardage. He's the spark to our offence. I don't expect that from 2 rookies even having success running.

[GOLDMEMBER]

Nothing wrong with the title. We don't have enough info on either to pick a winner. It's about the pro's and cons of how it applies to the ratio and how it differs from McCrae as an example.

As mentioned we needed depth at RB but gave up depth on the OL. Whether we downgraded the OL or not comes into question.

Taking Vanterpool off made sense to allow Cooley the ability to come into the game at any time. OTOH, Vanterpool would have played every offensive snap. Cooley only touched the ball 7 times but he might have been on the field more than that.

We escaped without an injury to Peterson or on the OL, so no harm no foul per se.

No word on Oliveria and I doubt he even practices this week. Precaution IMO but the vagueness of daily IR reports doesn't help.

If he doesn't play next week, I'll be more concerned. That will be true even if our running game is successful. Oliveria is more than just yardage. He's the spark to our offence. I don't expect that from 2 rookies even having success running.

ok, well you find it far more interesting than I do.

[TrueBlue4]

I like them both but agree that it is too early to make any real decisions on how good they are or could be. Just my opinion

[TecnoGenius]

I dislike the title of this thread.
Both are quality back ups as of now.
Any updates on Brady?

It's a fair title because game 2 gave us pretty much a head 2 head match-up, with both getting a somewhat similar number of touches.  It's as close as we'll probably get to doing an "all else being equal" comparison.

Also, it is "vs" because we need to decide on a "starting" order while Brady is still out (and if he goes out again later in the season).

And, even though it's highly unlikely to happen, there is, if Cooley is da bomb, a (tiny eenie weenie) slim chance that he wins the AR backup RB spot when Brady is back.

I recommend everyone watch again 4Q0:56 when Cooley is clearly stuffed by LBers and DL with a 2Y gain, but keeps churning and plowing and gets near 8Y with DTs draped on his legs, and even manages to squirt out and get free when he falls forward.  That's a rare thing right there, even for Brady.  Oh ya, and he did that when everyone knew we were going to run it.

[Jesse]

I get what goldie is saying. There isn't a winner.

They'll both get reps until Brady is back.

[Blue In BC]

I get what goldie is saying. There isn't a winner.

They'll both get reps until Brady is back.

I think that's true for at least this week. IMO the Elks have a better DL than the Lions so that's a concern. Whichever choice we make regarding keeping Cooley or going back to Vanterpool could be a problem.

We have to keep the current roster as it is until BO is back.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

It's a fair title because game 2 gave us pretty much a head 2 head match-up, with both getting a somewhat similar number of touches.  It's as close as we'll probably get to doing an "all else being equal" comparison.

Also, it is "vs" because we need to decide on a "starting" order while Brady is still out (and if he goes out again later in the season).

And, even though it's highly unlikely to happen, there is, if Cooley is da bomb, a (tiny eenie weenie) slim chance that he wins the AR backup RB spot when Brady is back.

I recommend everyone watch again 4Q0:56 when Cooley is clearly stuffed by LBers and DL with a 2Y gain, but keeps churning and plowing and gets near 8Y with DTs draped on his legs, and even manages to squirt out and get free when he falls forward.  That's a rare thing right there, even for Brady.  Oh ya, and he did that when everyone knew we were going to run it.

I don't think it will make any difference no matter how well he does, even if Augustine was the backup here, once Brady returns Cooley gets shifted back to the PR.  He has no real chance of remaining on the roster unless Brady or Peterson get injured. 

The biggest positive of the the season is the discovery of Peterson, if they treat him right (unlike Johnny) and make him a part of the offence he could be a key player for the next 4+ years.  We don't know how long Brady will last or if Walters will continue to pay him 2.5 times more than the normal RB rate.

[Blue In BC]

I don't think it will make any difference no matter how well he does, even if Augustine was the backup here, once Brady returns Cooley gets shifted back to the PR.  He has no real chance of remaining on the roster unless Brady or Peterson get injured. 

The biggest positive of the the season is the discovery of Peterson, if they treat him right (unlike Johnny) and make him a part of the offence he could be a key player for the next 4+ years.  We don't know how long Brady will last or if Walters will continue to pay him 2.5 times more than the normal RB rate.

It's an unfortunate reality of the ratio and roster size. He's shown enough although still a small sample size to want to see more.

The Bombers obviously have the best RB in the CFL and he's local and Canadian. That makes it tough for an import.

I'm just guessing that BO will be back against the Stamps. But that's just a guess of course.