Cooley vs Peterson

[TecnoGenius]

So we had our first look at the "Cooley Experiment".  Peterson was starting to get bogged down, getting stuffed a few times after getting some decent runs earlier on.

So they put Cooley in to see what he could do (yay!), and appeared to plow through holes that looked closed, something Peterson wasn't doing much of.  I think Cooley gets more momentum, and faster.  Maybe less top speed(?) but we don't really need that most of the time.

Cooley might also have the same "problem" as Peterson now that teams will have film on him.  So you can't really draw definitive conclusions yet.

Still, we saw enough runs to get early impressions.  Thoughts?

[TecnoGenius]

Watching the game again, I think Strev being out really hurt Peterson's run game.  Absolutely no one respected Zach rolling out after the hand-off.  This allowed the MLB to crash down into the gap quickly and stuff Peterson.

And you can tell BC really worked hard this week on planning to stop the run.

But... part of the WPG game is being able to get mid-range runs even when the D is focusing on it.  I guess that's why Brady makes the big bucks.

My whole point being: can't judge Peterson too harshly just based on this game.

[Sir Blue and Gold]

It's pretty rare we can do a direct comparison of two starters in back to back weeks against the same defense.

Here's another one, juuuust for fun:

Chris Streveler 15/24, 246 yards, 3 TDs, 1 Int

Zach Collaros 18/25, 179 yards, 2 TDs, 2 Int

[Jesse]

We saw this last year when our first win came in with Strev at the helm. Brady found holes that he hadn't seen that year because teams had to account for Streveler in the run game. Peterson saw a similar effect last week.

But I think we know that Strev over multiple starts, especially now that the running aspect of his game is probably severely depleted, isn't going to continue to see the same results.

If Brady's out, I want to see both. Both are young exciting players. Peterson offers some speed that we've not had in the back field since Fred Reid. Cooley is a violent runner that is going to punish the defence and make something from nothing.

[Waffler]

So they put Cooley in to see what he could do (yay!), and appeared to plow through holes that looked closed, something Peterson wasn't doing much of.  I think Cooley gets more momentum, and faster.  Maybe less top speed(?) but we don't really need that most of the time.

You hit the nail on the head. Cooley is more the Harris/Oliveira style but both are very good. With the oline we have I think our over all running game is even more scary than it was before. Not sure if there is even anything other teams can do about it.

[Sir Blue and Gold]

You hit the nail on the head. Cooley is more the Harris/Oliveira style but both are very good. With the oline we have I think our over all running game is even more scary than it was before. Not sure if there is even anything other teams can do about it.

We need to lean on it because that's what's going to enable Collaros. He wasn't particularly great from the pocket again which is kind of concerning. Against good fronts, if he can't extend plays (which he finds harder to do as he's gotten older anyway) the results can be pretty middling. A few of those throws I'd expect from Wilson, not Zach.

I was hoping he could age into that short passing quick throw guy but if it hasn't happened now it's not going to happen probably.

It's going to be a very interesting year. The arm is obviously not as good as it was. We can still win with an average Zach Collaros but that's what he was last night and what he was for much of last season.

I think we need to be honest with that we've got.

[Blue In BC]

Cooley has some talent that's certain. He has 2 or 3 problems.  He's not Canadian. When Oliveria is back I don't know he'll be kept on the roster because of ratio. He still has to learn more about the CFL game, game speed and motion. Some of that will come in film work, coaching and practice sessions.

It's unfortunate for him that we're a team that starts a Canadian RB that is the best RB in the league. He may still be on the AR until Brady is back. We posters just don't know exactly when that will be although I've suggested it won't be this week.

Cooley will be kept around.

[Blueforlife]

I would like Peterson to get most the reps, Cooley run em over late.  It's all about developing our Canadian depth at RB which will continue to be our receipt and pillar of strength on O.

I love both these players.  Really liked how they were used last game. 

Amazing that we have this depth.  Really exciting to watch and how it plays out. 

What a blessing it is to see our early success in general, especially on OL and RB.

I was worried about the OL and thought we would have growing pains.  Smooth sailing thus far.  We live and die by the success of them.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

Cooley has some talent that's certain. He has 2 or 3 problems.  He's not Canadian. When Oliveria is back I don't know he'll be kept on the roster because of ratio. He still has to learn more about the CFL game, game speed and motion. Some of that will come in film work, coaching and practice sessions.

It's unfortunate for him that we're a team that starts a Canadian RB that is the best RB in the league. He may still be on the AR until Brady is back. We posters just don't know exactly when that will be although I've suggested it won't be this week.

Cooley will be kept around.

I think the most we can hope for is Cooley gets 3 or 4 chances to perform this season, if he's backing up both Brady and Peterson injuries to either would increase his opportunities, but that depends somewhat on how they use Logan.  Here's hoping Hogan continues to use Peterson once Brady returns and doesn't relegate him to the sidelines for entire games as we've seen them do with backups in the past .

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[Blueforlife]

I think the most we can hope for is Cooley gets 3 or 4 chances to perform this season, if he's backing up both Brady and Peterson injuries to either would increase his opportunities, but that depends somewhat on how they use Logan.  Here's hoping Hogan continues to use Peterson once Brady returns and doesn't relegate him to the sidelines for entire games as we've seen them do with backups in the past .

If Brady is healthy I see him getting 90% of reps at RB.  He is good enough to ensure that.  I don't mind having Peterson on the bench.  He waits his turn, just like Brady did.

[blue_or_die]

Seems pretty straight forward to me. Understanding you need more a "rhythm" for a starter to get going; having said simply use them as you need them in a situational basis. This will give them both plenty of work.

Not to be reductive of an opponent, but it is Edmonton we are playing here. We can afford some slight experimentation, one should think.

[dd]

So we all have seen and understand the affect strevy has our run game so when Zack is in and our offense is struggling like it did second half, why not put Strev in for a change of pace and get some momentum going and run the ball and strev can use his game plan from game 1 and inject some life into our struggling offense??

I know it was Collaros's first game of the season, and he was shaking off some rust, but we have to use the tools we have to get the most out of our offense.

[Blueforlife]

So we all have seen and understand the affect strevy has our run game so when Zack is in and our offense is struggling like it did second half, why not put Strev in for a change of pace and get some momentum going and run the ball and strev can use his game plan from game 1 and inject some life into our struggling offense??

I know it was Collaros's first game of the season, and he was shaking off some rust, but we have to use the tools we have to get the most out of our offense.

I don't like that idea.  Strev will get reps at specific times sure.  Pulling Zach for Strev is a hard no for me unless he really struggles, 3 bad ducks would be my limit.

[TecnoGenius]

So we all have seen and understand the affect strevy has our run game so when Zack is in and our offense is struggling like it did second half, why not put Strev in for a change of pace and get some momentum going and run the ball and strev can use his game plan from game 1 and inject some life into our struggling offense??

I would be perfectly fine with using Strev like we did before he went to the NFL.  He'd stay in after most SY conversions, often for several plays.  And he'd even come in for a series here and there for no apparent reason.

But I would never yank Zach for multiple consecutive series, unless he's injured (like the GC).

But we do have to understand that it's clear Strev is a handoff/pass-mostly guy now with his brace and not-100% knee.  His runs haven't looked great -- a bit plodding.  When teams figure this out they will respect his run threat a lot less.