Official Game Day Thread - Winnipeg at BC., June 21, 2025

[ModAdmin]

Zach Collaros' take on the game in BC...

[TecnoGenius]

He was literally face to face with the ref so whatever he said would be heard. Could have been taunting etc. His 1st one was taunting as well. So you get 2 and you're out.

If you're getting misconduct for "just words", then they have to include the ultra-banned words (like "N").  Is Willie dumb enough to say those things when the refs are in earshot?

The only other way you get non-physical misconduct is if your taunting is extended and egregious.  If you just scream something non-banned to the bench, that won't draw a flag: you have to sit there for a long time laughing and heckling.

A bit annoying we didn't get to see either problem, and neither was explained beyond "misconduct", which could be a multitude of things.  I would think we'll hear from MOS about it this week.

[TecnoGenius]

Even though unintentional I think this might be reviewed for a possible 1 game suspension. Have to protect the refs at all times.

I doubt he'll even get a big fine because he clearly was not aiming for the ref.  He was just being violent without thinking through what could happen.  The ref was collateral damage.

DQ is fair because he still needs to control his emotions and body.  Maybe even a tiny fine to send a message, but in general this isn't a big problem in the league.

Not good the ref was pretty shaken up, though.  A blow to the (unprotected) head.

[ModAdmin]

I doubt he'll even get a big fine because he clearly was not aiming for the ref.  He was just being violent without thinking through what could happen.  The ref was collateral damage.

DQ is fair because he still needs to control his emotions and body.  Maybe even a tiny fine to send a message, but in general this isn't a big problem in the league.

Not good the ref was pretty shaken up, though.  A blow to the (unprotected) head.

The point is he didn't "control his emotions and body".  He was in a crowd and took a swing that connected with an official's head!  He should be absolutely suspended. 

[TecnoGenius]

The point is he didn't "control his emotions and body".  He was in a crowd and took a swing that connected with an official's head!  He should be absolutely suspended. 

I won't argue with you, as I won't cry if he gets nasty repercussions.  But it's clearly not the same thing as him whacking the ref in the head with no one around.  There was zero intent.  As such it'll be judged less harshly.  (Would people be demanding a suspension if he was wearing B&G?)

Similarly, Willie J didn't control his emotions (though he did his body)... will Willie get further repercussions?

Sometimes the on-field penalties are enough.  But we will see.

[ModAdmin]

I won't argue with you, as I won't cry if he gets nasty repercussions.  But it's clearly not the same thing as him whacking the ref in the head with no one around.  There was zero intent.  As such it'll be judged less harshly.  (Would people be demanding a suspension if he was wearing B&G?)

Similarly, Willie J didn't control his emotions (though he did his body)... will Willie get further repercussions?

Sometimes the on-field penalties are enough.  But we will see.

I hear you but when a player's actions, after the whistle, cause harm to a player or an official, the offender needs to be suspended.  Just my opinion.

[TecnoGenius]

I hear you but when a player's actions, after the whistle, cause harm to a player or an official, the offender needs to be suspended.  Just my opinion.

Did that ref return?  I couldn't spot it live.  The refs are in a tough position, the only guys out there not wearing a helmet.  Well, the sideline mic/cam holders too!  Little hits that look like nothing at all certainly impact them more than the fully suited-up guys!  Ouch.

F1 had to change to an everyone-in-pit-box-wears-a-helmet paradigm about 10 years ago.  I wonder if football needs to do the same thing?  Need to invent a max-vision helmet first.

[TecnoGenius]

Now saying your weren't saying it was the best decision is a waffle.

Hey guys, the only one allowed to waffle around here is Waffler.  Switch to pancakes or french toast...

[Jesse]

Agreed but part of it was just learning on our part. They needed to test Peterson again. Results probably come back as expected.

Peterson, 42 yards, 3.8 yard average.
Cooley , 43 yards, 6 yard average.

I think if Oliveria is going to be out next week (it's a short week so maybe?), we should reverse the order and run Cooley first and most, and have Peterson come in as a change of pace. Especially against Edmonton and their big front. That will make it closer to a Brady look.

I would say the usual method is to have the speed guy as your change of pace guy.

Cooley runs with violence. I expect good things if he's given the chance (Only if Brady isn't available).

But Wallace showing well gives us the option if needed, though I feel bad for Vanterpool.

Another feather in Hogan's cap is that Cooley got a shot at all. I can see previous variations of this team just continuing to put Peterson in despite any struggles and we're all sitting here asking, why  was Cooley rostered in the first place?

[theaardvark]

Watching the game now, (had a sleep study last night), and so disappointed that CS4 to MCI25 TD was called back.  MCI25 had a nice grab, and quite a run afterwards.  Look forward to his progression.

KC86 did hold, but didn't need to.  He has to learn to not grab, just push...

[Waffler]

Collaros was a little rusty. Not sure why he threw late in the game that resulted in the pic.

I am going to be the negative nellie. I don't think it was rust. I brought up last year that he had lost zip and distance. It's even more apparent now. Two deep balls under thrown. Other balls that hung a long time allowing the defense to get into the play. See the lovely rainbow on the late pic. The long one to Demski, he wound up and gave it everything he had but was well short. You could see Demski expecting he could still make that throw. Someone I was with asked if he was still cut. ouch. I will say the Schoen TD was excellent.

I think we are going to see teams start to not respect the deep ball. The win is glossing it over but I am worried. Streveller out played him last week with his strong and accurate throws. The talk was how this is the Collaros revenge game for the suspension and he would show us all. What I saw was that was not the same arm he showed when he got here. Look! he can make throws that Nichols can't. Not anymore.

Flame away, I am expecting it. But if you watch again, take note of the arm strength and decide for yourself.

[Blue In BC]

Our offence didn't have their best game but the Lions defence played well at home. Overall our defence created turnovers and took advantage. They scored and improved field position at times.

Overall there were some new wrinkles including the TD pass to Eli. The other wrinkle was the play to MCI that was called back due to a penalty.

I'll have to re-watch the game later today or tomorrow. Question of the week will be whether BO plays next week. IMO he will get another week since we're playing against the Elks. No need to rush him back.

We'll probably see the same healthy scratches on the 1 game IR.

[Jesse]

I am going to be the negative nellie. I don't think it was rust. I brought up last year that he had lost zip and distance. It's even more apparent now. Two deep balls under thrown. Other balls that hung a long time allowing the defense to get into the play. See the lovely rainbow on the late late pic. The long one to Demski, he wound up and gave it everything he had but was well short. You could see Demski expecting he could still make that throw. Someone I was with asked if he was still cut. ouch. I will say the Schoen TD was excellent.

I think we are going to see teams start to not respect the deep ball. The win is glossing it over but I am worried. Streveller out played him last week with his strong and accurate throws. The talk was how this is the Collaros revenge game for the suspension and he would show us all. What I saw was that was not the same arm he showed when he got here. Look! he can make throws that Nichols can't. Not anymore.

Flame away, I am expecting it. But if you watch again, take note of the arm strength and decide for yourself.

I'm not going to flame away, we've seen this on his deep balls for a while now, but it doesn't mean he can't be successful. The receivers are open, just got to adjust the depth and timing of throw.

[Blue In BC]

It was mentioned on the int intended to Demski that Collaros didn't account for the Lions safety. That may or may not be true. If the safety didn't make the play, then Demski probably adjusts to the ball and has a good chance to score.

Not all passes are perfect and receivers make adjustments and spectacular receptions.

So. Was it a perfect pass? No, certainly not. But it did have a chance to be completed and / or to draw an PI.

Obviously defences play too and it ended up as double coverage. That said receivers beat double coverage as well. Win some lose some. It keeps them honest though.

The TD pass to Schoen and to Eli were as good a placement as you'd hope for in any game.  Collaros in 2025 is not Collaros in 2021, that's to be expected.

[markf]

Defensive line this season is hitting the quarterback hard.

Bonfire postgame....I just watched Lawson tackling Masoli.... Ouch.

Holm endzone int.  .... he could play receiver. Then Just jogs off,  no big deal.

Is there a site where the stats are available immediately?