Game 1 Day roster

Started by Blue In BC, June 07, 2025, 05:39:27 PM

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Case is buried at both receiver and kick returner. I think it would take a miracle to get him on the roster any time soon. We will have Cobb backing up both positions on game day. The two seem a bit similar in that they are smaller, good enough speed and a bit shifty but Cobb has the better birth certificate. If Wilson returns from the NFL I expect Case is the odd man out. Depends on what we see from D Mitchell too though. My guess is he has to do something in 4 to 5 games but MOS is stubborn so maybe longer.
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" The Winnipeg Blue Bombers have set their roster for Thursday's matchup against the B.C. Lions and it doesn't include veteran receiver Dillon Mitchell.

The 28-year-old, who caught 130 passes for 1,896 yards and 12 touchdowns over three seasons in Edmonton, has been moved to the one-game injured list as a healthy scratch. Keric Wheatfall, who caught two touchdown passes during the preseason, will start at boundary wide receiver as part of a receiving corps that also includes Dalton Schoen, Nic Demski, Jerreth Sterns, and Kevens Clercius."

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Blue In BC

#47
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 07, 2025, 05:39:27 PMJust to continue a conversation from another post. What do you think changes before we finalize our game roster to start the season? I've added my earlier thoughts. Note there aren't really any wrong answers, these are just guesses as we adjust to the ratio and injury issues.


Just for the heck of it, these are the roster moves I expect before game 1. Barring unknown injuries of course.

1. Collaros to 1 game suspension as announced.
2. Lofton to IR. The real question is whether it's short or long term.
3. Munier-Bailey to AR replacing Weitz. Weitz may be headed for IR but that's a TBD
4. Vanterpool to PR. Vibert added to AR as OL depth.
5. Cobb added to AR as receiver depth and return capabilities.
6. Ayers to PR. IMO we'll have ratio room for Jones, Jones, Wilson and Griffin if we move to 8 starting Canadians.
7. Woods to PR.
8. Novak to PR.
0. Kornelson to PR.

If my math is right regarding the ratio, we'll have room to add 1 more import. Some will argue keeping Ayers on the AR. IMO we might see Person added to give us more rotation possibilities at DE. In theory we'd have Griffin backing up at SAM. 1 of the Jones would be a DI. That allows us to have 3-4 fronts at times and / or just the ability to rotate.

These changes might still leave us " over " the number of Canadians on the AR.

Anyway. Just a guess at this moment in time.


Item 3. Neither global appears on the AR at the moment. I thought 1 was mandatory?
Item 4. Vanderpool on AR. I'm not sure if the possible injury to Neufeld played into this or he was deemed best.
Item 5. I was wrong on this one. It appears Novak as LB depth over receiver depth was the choice.
Item 6. I was wrong on this one. J. Jones to to IR and Ayers listed at DE?
Item 8. I was wrong on this one but Canadian  LB's won over needing all the import LB's. Ratio came into play.
Item 9. I was wrong on this one. Kornelson won over Schmekel. It was kin of a toss up for a back up.

I didn't make a projection for the import receivers but D. Mitchell out can't be good for him in the long term.

Roster suggests that Griffin and Ayers are the other 2 DI's along with Castillo and Vaval.  Losing J. Jones to IR is unfortunate but all those Canadian LB's drafted fill any void. The downside is he's paid more than T. Jones and an expensive player along with D. Mitchell to " park " on IR?  So be it.

We choose to move 4 players to 1 game IR instead of shuffling around the PR. They might not have accepted that move in any case. Ok but what's the additional cost and how long can we sustain it? Two are on ELC's but 2 are not.  Even at $4K per player on ELC that's $16K spent in SMS money.

D. Mitchell is listed at $148K for 2025. That's $8K per game is no signing bonus.
One game at a time.

Blueforlife

#48
Quote from: LXTSN on June 11, 2025, 12:51:01 PMThis is not true, but I can see where you got that info.
He did return punts and kicks for the bombers in 3 separate games. He returned a total of 24 punts and 6 kickoffs. He averaged 10.5 on punts and 25.2 on kickoffs. Not great but steady!

Why am I always digging my feet in the sand for these totally unproven players?? Didn't work with Pigrome, McCrae, Evans.........
Thanks for digging up those facts.  Gut told me he had done some work at returner.  This is why he is here (for now).  Emergency receiver option and can return kicks!  Agree some steady numbers there.  I don't remember him making any mistakes.

To be clear I'm on the fence on Case but it's clear now why we have retained him.  Trust the Mafia.

Some hard on Thomas for years on here.  Still starting and can play OL in a pinch.  That said Lawson will rotate and lot and will be a deadly combo imo.  Time to EAT.

Ayers at DE come in on passing downs to spy?

Sir Blue and Gold

#49
Keeping Case around likely has to do with skill sets and making sure there's a good mix of that depth available to the Bombers. The return experience is a nice to have, but much more likely, he's seen as a good option in the slot, someone could come in and play in a similar way that they're going to ask Jerreth Sterns to play.  It's not only about generalized talent at each spot - you need a mix of skill sets to be effective on offense (as much as 5 jump ball receivers would be fun, it's not effective).

Blue In BC

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 11, 2025, 05:16:20 PMKeeping Case around likely has to do with skill sets and making sure there's a good mix of that depth available to the Bombers. The return experience is a nice to have, but much more likely, he's seen as a good option in the slot, someone could come in and play in a similar way that they're going to ask Jerreth Sterns to play.  It's not only about generalized talent at each spot - you need a mix of skill sets to be effective on offense (as much as 5 jump ball receivers would be fun, it's not effective).

1 reception for 5 yards?  R. White has 94 receptions in 3 seasons including 43 targets with 23 receptions in 2024.

If we have an injury to a receiver and need to promote from the PR, who do you think that will be?
One game at a time.

Throw Long Bannatyne

Quote from: Blue In BC on June 11, 2025, 05:57:46 PM1 reception for 5 yards?  R. White has 94 receptions in 3 seasons including 43 targets with 23 receptions in 2024.

If we have an injury to a receiver and need to promote from the PR, who do you think that will be?

Reggie White getting short sticked behind Mitchell who hasn't shown value, can't pay Mitchell $160k not to play, I think this issue will be resolved within 3-4 games.

Blue In BC

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 11, 2025, 06:34:29 PMReggie White getting short sticked behind Mitchell who hasn't shown value, can't pay Mitchell $160k not to play, I think this issue will be resolved within 3-4 games.

Sure but the question was the choice between Case and White if an injury occurred. For week 2 if Logan is healthy the depth chart for the returner might be: Logan, Vaval, White and Mitchell before it gets to Case.

If we sustain an injury to a receiver, then White and Mitchell before Case. It's just a reality of where to project Case at either position.

I did forget we kept Elsbury on our PR so our depth is not as bad as I thought for imports.

One game at a time.

Sir Blue and Gold

Quote from: Blue In BC on June 11, 2025, 05:57:46 PM1 reception for 5 yards?  R. White has 94 receptions in 3 seasons including 43 targets with 23 receptions in 2024.

If we have an injury to a receiver and need to promote from the PR, who do you think that will be?

Well, if you got my meaning it might depend on who gets injured.

Blue In BC

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 11, 2025, 07:43:00 PMWell, if you got my meaning it might depend on who gets injured.

Bombers move receivers around and expect them to be able to play at every spot. So I get your meaning but I don't think that's applicable for Case and his 1 reception over veterans that played various receiving roles.
One game at a time.

Pete

Looking at the roster not rostering Mitchell is sending the message that starting spots have to be earned and not based on salary.
Not starting Jones to me is a mistake he was our best lb during preseason. rostering Kornelson in lieu of Munier-Bailey makes little sense. (or even Novak for that matter)
It seems every year O'Shea has a soft spot for the little engine that could.
Our Canadian depth right now is not great,  oline cdn receiver and even dback have gone from being deep to not. We did address the lb depth nicely and I do believe we are stronger than ly  in our imports.

kkc60

I could see when Logan returns then Case getting dropped if no other roster moves are needed by then.

Throw Long Bannatyne

Bomber newcomer and rookie dance off on FB, Novak must have been a serious Ukrainian dancer to pull off these moves.

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Blue In BC

In the grand scheme of things, the roster choices are not important if players produce as expected and we win.  Obviously winning or losing is not a black and white result per se.

Football is a game of inches, odd bounces and even impact of weather.

Like I suggested do players perform as expected or do we end up with questions afterword about all of this.
One game at a time.

dd

Quote from: Pete on June 11, 2025, 09:23:22 PMLooking at the roster not rostering Mitchell is sending the message that starting spots have to be earned and not based on salary.
Not starting Jones to me is a mistake he was our best lb during preseason. rostering Kornelson in lieu of Munier-Bailey makes little sense. (or even Novak for that matter)
It seems every year O'Shea has a soft spot for the little engine that could.
Our Canadian depth right now is not great,  oline cdn receiver and even dback have gone from being deep to not. We did address the lb depth nicely and I do believe we are stronger than ly  in our imports.
I m thinking MOS is thinking that BC is going to be passing the ball alot and not relying on the run hence not starting Jones.