Post preseason games cuts

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

Man, a bunch of players showed well enough to make the AR but there won't be spots for them.  Some will take PR spots, but I won't be surprised if some turn them down and fly to Hamilton to get looked at  .

Ex-Bombers Josh Johnson and Kyle Samson ended up on Ti-Cats PR, Walters probably won't be interested in them but small payback could be served Goveia if they snatched Canadian receiver Keaton Bruggeling off their PR.  Watching this weekends game highlights, this guy looks good enough to replace Woli. within a year or two.

[Blue In BC]

Not looking for a global debate.  We know your stance on the issue.  I have enjoyed seeing some fresh talent as a result of the program, mostly for punters.  You said why do we bother, which is simple, to get better as a gem of a global might be available.  For now, all clubs bother because that's how the league is setup at the moment, good, bad or ugly depending on one's take and opinion on the matter.

As a result of the global program, we have seen a few players contribute and maybe this year could happen again. 

The forum is a debate about all things Bombers and CFL. You can't escape a debate on any position taken.

The debate is about whether the global designation should exist, not whether a global player could be included as a regular DI as I indicated as an import.

I took a quick look at the 1st round in 2025 and it doesn't appear any made an AR. A couple landed on PR's though. Also note that 11 of 18 draft choices, were kickers.


Like I said it's an arbitrary situation which is not serving it's stated goal.

[Blue In BC]

Ex-Bombers Josh Johnson and Kyle Samson ended up on Ti-Cats PR, Walters probably won't be interested in them but small payback could be served Goveia if they snatched Canadian receiver Keaton Bruggeling off their PR.  Watching this weekends game highlights, this guy looks good enough to replace Woli. within a year or two.

Teams don't usually " take " a player off another teams PR without some sort of agreement. Whether he'd be of interest IDK but I don't expect to see him in Winnipeg. There were a number of Canadian receivers released outright across the CFL that might be of greater interest.

Our depth might be a bit thin, but that's debatable. Cobb is on our PR and might yet make the AR before game 1.

[Blue In BC]

At the moment we appear to have 12 new faces on the AR roster. That is partially due to injuries and might change by game 1.

6 new Canadians. 4 drafted, 1 traded for and 1 in free agency ( Makonzo ) who is injured in theory.

It's interesting that the final roster is never complete day 1 and a bit of a slippery slope. I count 53 players left at the moment.

Expectations for a few have been mentioned. At least 2 will be moved to IR and Collaros to suspended for game 1.  What happens with the extra 5 is just guess work. Each team seems to adjust differently. Even the Bombers have some players on our suspended list. I'm not sure if this means Collaros can practice this week but can't play game 1 and is just a late paper shuffle.

Artopoleus was also potentially injured so that may be an issue having 3 QB's for game 1. I suppose they could roster him even if doesn't dress which we did last year with Collaros in a game or two. Weitz was another player injured, so he might be a guy headed to IR.

Anyway. Hopefully we don't experience any further injuries before game 1. Let the players decide who makes the AR for game 1 over the next 11 days.

[Blueforlife]

The forum is a debate about all things Bombers and CFL. You can't escape a debate on any position taken.

The debate is about whether the global designation should exist, not whether a global player could be included as a regular DI as I indicated as an import.

I took a quick look at the 1st round in 2025 and it doesn't appear any made an AR. A couple landed on PR's though. Also note that 11 of 18 draft choices, were kickers.


Like I said it's an arbitrary situation which is not serving it's stated goal.

Yup a time but also the right place for all debates here, like I mentioned I am not interested in engaging in a deep dive but maybe others are.  The topic has been discussed at length in the past and it's not the topic of this thread.  If you want to discuss that in more depth, revive an old thread or make a new one.  I didn't intend to sound like it wasn't welcome as I and many value your opinion; best not to derail this thread. 

A good debate to be sure, one I'm not personally interested in chiming in on at the depth you are.   Specifically, if it should exist or not, which I'm impartial on.

I just wanted to point out that there was at least some value in this year's global draft imo.  For now it's a part of the league and I hope some of these players get a job, contribute, gain some new exposure and fans for this great league.

[Pete]

Looking at the cuts/ roster OSheas bias towards vets is readily apparent and to some degree to the detriment of the team specifically:
 1. Cam Allen outplayed Parker and his upside is much better
 2  Bridges at corner is adequate, but wont come close to Ford.Gowan looked better to me. We brought in a ton of dbs and none were better than what already have? Reflects badly on scouting.
3 Woodbey looked like an upgrade to Wilson as well.
The only import rookie newcomer to make the active roster was Vaval and that's likely til Logan returns
4 Evans looked to be a improvement to Sheehan as well.

[Blueforlife]

Looking at the cuts/ roster OSheas bias towards vets is readily apparent and to some degree to the detriment of the team specifically:
 1. Cam Allen outplayed Parker and his upside is much better
 2  Bridges at corner is adequate, but wont come close to Ford.Gowan looked better to me. We brought in a ton of dbs and none were better than what already have? Reflects badly on scouting.
3 Woodbey looked like an upgrade to Wilson as well.
The only import rookie newcomer to make the active roster was Vaval and that's likely til Logan returns
4 Evans looked to be a improvement to Sheehan as well.

1. Allen on PR will be on the roster at some point.  Parker is a good vet has more versatility.  He will provide leadership, continuity and consistency.  No doubt Allen shows good promise but best to slow roast fresh meat lol.
2.Very few are as good as Ford,  hard to follow up that.  Bridges should be ok, not sure yet.  Gowan had promise, maybe a call back down the road if needed.  Bridges had the experience and has some upside likely (guessing).
3.Woodbey showed well, he will continue to develop and is part of our future (hope).  Way to early to suggest he is > Wilson imo
4.  Better leg but I trust the Mafia here.  Sheahan is proven and reliable and exceptional at directional punting but yes can't boom it.

I actually think the opposite.  Because we stuck with many vets, I believe we have increased our chances this year.  Key is for these older players to remain healthy.  Could have slightly reduced our overall depth longer term by cutting some good fresh talent and putting some on the PR but I think we hit a good balance.

[Pigskin]

Looking at the cuts/ roster OSheas bias towards vets is readily apparent and to some degree to the detriment of the team specifically:
 1. Cam Allen outplayed Parker and his upside is much better
 2  Bridges at corner is adequate, but wont come close to Ford.Gowan looked better to me. We brought in a ton of dbs and none were better than what already have? Reflects badly on scouting.
3 Woodbey looked like an upgrade to Wilson as well.
The only import rookie newcomer to make the active roster was Vaval and that's likely til Logan returns
4 Evans looked to be a improvement to Sheehan as well.

When Wilson is healthy, he is excellent. However, he has only played in 28 games out of a possible 68 over the last four seasons. Having a player like Woodbey on the PR is a good thing. The same goes for Parker. He played in only 21 games over the last three seasons. I like Allen he's a big physical safety.

[Jesse]

When Wilson is healthy, he is excellent. However, he has only played in 28 games out of a possible 68 over the last four seasons. Having a player like Woodbey on the PR is a good thing. The same goes for Parker. He played in only 21 games over the last three seasons. I like Allen he's a big physical safety.

In 2019, Kyrie was an impact player. Entering 2021, I thought he was going to be the league's DPOY. But injuries. Now, even when healthy, he is no longer that guy.

What he is/can be: A useful part of Jordan Younger's defence. We saw the Bombers be a league best defence last year. We act as a team and we shut down the opponents. Wilson is a useful veteran part of the whole.

What he is not: An impact player that can make game changing plays outside of the team structure. Wilson had a very positive trajectory when he was younger that has flatlined. He is not hurting us, but he's not the player that is making a game changing play on the final drive of the Grey Cup either.

And that's something we need to address. We need to be looking for those impact players that can come up in big moments and get us over the hump. And given that we have a young player who we are developing (Ayers), and went out in free agency to address the problem (Jones), and drafted at the position (Shay, Smith, Novak), I think the team knows we need to upgrade as well.

[Blue In BC]

In 2019, Kyrie was an impact player. Entering 2021, I thought he was going to be the league's DPOY. But injuries. Now, even when healthy, he is no longer that guy.

What he is/can be: A useful part of Jordan Younger's defence. We saw the Bombers be a league best defence last year. We act as a team and we shut down the opponents. Wilson is a useful veteran part of the whole.

What he is not: An impact player that can make game changing plays outside of the team structure. Wilson had a very positive trajectory when he was younger that has flatlined. He is not hurting us, but he's not the player that is making a game changing play on the final drive of the Grey Cup either.

And that's something we need to address. We need to be looking for those impact players that can come up in big moments and get us over the hump. And given that we have a young player who we are developing (Ayers), and went out in free agency to address the problem (Jones), and drafted at the position (Shay, Smith, Novak), I think the team knows we need to upgrade as well.

All true about Wilson. However we kept Woodbey on the PR and have Jones, Jones and Ayers to account for on the roster. I like them all but something has to give. I've said this a few times but it's still a big question before game day.

Aside from that is the status of Lofton and whether we also go 3 import OL. On paper that appears to be the case.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

In 2019, Kyrie was an impact player. Entering 2021, I thought he was going to be the league's DPOY. But injuries. Now, even when healthy, he is no longer that guy.

What he is/can be: A useful part of Jordan Younger's defence. We saw the Bombers be a league best defence last year. We act as a team and we shut down the opponents. Wilson is a useful veteran part of the whole.

What he is not: An impact player that can make game changing plays outside of the team structure. Wilson had a very positive trajectory when he was younger that has flatlined. He is not hurting us, but he's not the player that is making a game changing play on the final drive of the Grey Cup either.

And that's something we need to address. We need to be looking for those impact players that can come up in big moments and get us over the hump. And given that we have a young player who we are developing (Ayers), and went out in free agency to address the problem (Jones), and drafted at the position (Shay, Smith, Novak), I think the team knows we need to upgrade as well.

Have to wonder if they intentionally went after Jon Jones in FA or if he just fell into their lap.  Not a lot of reason to re-sign Kyrie if they were going after a LB with Ayers already waiting in the hopper. Drafting 2 young LB's muddies the waters even further, I think Shay may be targeted as a starter next year which could signal the end for Gauthier shortly.

[Jesse]

Have to wonder if they intentionally went after Jon Jones in FA or if he just fell into their lap.  Not a lot of reason to re-sign Kyrie if they were going after a LB with Ayers already waiting in the hopper. Drafting 2 young LB's muddies the waters even further, I think Shay may be targeted as a starter next year which could signal the end for Gauthier shortly.

You don't know that a player is going to step on the field and make an impact until you see them on the field. And on a MOS led team, you do need to beat a veteran. His position will not be handed to you. So I expect to see Ayers and Jones and the draft picks on the field, and I don't really expect Wilson to be starting next year. How fast all that happens depends on a bunch of different variables that we'll see play out over the season.

[TecnoGenius]

You don't know that a player is going to step on the field and make an impact until you see them on the field. And on a MOS led team, you do need to beat a veteran. His position will not be handed to you.

Mafia showed that they'll cut who needs to be cut with Biggie.  If K.Wilson was showing the same issues, he'd be cut too.  But he isn't/wasn't.  So let's give him a chance.  We have a few possible WILLs in-house right now that can easily step in if/when Kyrie loses a step.

Keep in mind:
1) all last season Kyrie was on IR or nursing an injury.
2) he hasn't gotten injured yet all TC/PS (a good sign)
3) we clearly value his football IQ and want to pass it on to the next gen

[Blueforlife]

Mafia showed that they'll cut who needs to be cut with Biggie.  If K.Wilson was showing the same issues, he'd be cut too.  But he isn't/wasn't.  So let's give him a chance.  We have a few possible WILLs in-house right now that can easily step in if/when Kyrie loses a step.

Keep in mind:
1) all last season Kyrie was on IR or nursing an injury.
2) he hasn't gotten injured yet all TC/PS (a good sign)
3) we clearly value his football IQ and want to pass it on to the next gen

Agree with all 100%, love the attitude here.  When healthy he is very good still imo.  #3 is key, he will held us win now and also setup the next gen by downloading his experience and provides a great deal of stability and leader as we transition to the next gen.

I have found the worry about our LB crew slightly overstated for a few years by some.  Previously some were very critical on Kramdi and he turned out just fine.  Some were a little hard on Biggie at the end. Then we collectively worried about Biggies replacement but found some new faces.  A healthy Wilson is a pillar of strength for this group but it's success is its depth which is outstanding.  I am very happen with the Jones's.

Our defense has been lights out good for years and will be again imo.  Just need to solidify the corner.

[TecnoGenius]

I have found the worry about our LB crew slightly overstated for a few years by some.

Our run D was very good late last season and post-season.  We manage to do effective run stop without stuffing the line pre-snap.  Yes, it often/usually gives up an automatic 2-4 instead of 0, but you can work with that.  And yes, when we guess wrong on the play call we sometimes give up 15-30Y, but only 1-2 a game.

It's funny, but we play the run completely differently than when we had Stove/Nevis, but it works for us.  I'm not sure if it shows up in the stats, but watching the games I can see what Younger/Hall are doing and appreciate how it helps our D.

However, our LBers seemed weaker on the short pass game, and that is really what killed us in the GC.  I guess a good OC will take advantage of our run & deep-pass-stop focus and eat our LBers with the short pass.

Maybe this year we can solve that riddle, and be a bit more balanced.