Jason Hogan's Offense

[Sir Blue and Gold]

Figured it might be fun to kick off a new thread to chat about Hogan's offense as it takes shape during camp.

Yesterday gave us our first real look at the new system. Obviously, it's still pre-season, so take everything with a big grain of salt, but a few things stood out:

The short passing game was everywhere. All the QBs leaned into it, and if that's the direction they're going, it's already a noticeable shift.

There were a couple of old-school screen passes called which is something we didn't see a ton of under Buck.

Most of the runs stayed between the tackles and we didn't really see enough to tell if it's going to be any different there yet.

Again, it's early, so no need to read too much into it. But for what it's worth, the philosophy yesterday was very much: short passes to pull the defense in, then look to go deep. That's a pretty big flip from the last few years, where we often saw deep balls early to soften things up underneath.

[Blueforlife]

I see a group of receivers that will play well on this game plan.  That said I would like to see a steady diet of bombs. 

So far so good on play calling.  Didn't like the bootleg Strev did on short yardage, can't win em all.  Sask chirped Strev hard there.

[Sir Blue and Gold]

I see a group of receivers that will play well on this game plan.  That said I would like to see a steady diet of bombs. 

So far so good on play calling.  Didn't like the bootleg Strev did on short yardage, can't win em all.  Sask chirped Strev hard there.

Streveler just read it wrong. He should have stuck with the handoff and we easily pick up the first. Not sure what he was seeing there. Maybe he just wanted to get hit. No kidding.

[markf]

I am definitely rooting for the new guy.

I expect  Zach has input into the offensive planning.

His knowledge, experience, and the great respect he is given by O'Shea.


I noticed the same kind of short passing for Toronto, and maybe ticats as well.
Isn't that what calvillo lived off of?

And way back the "Eskimos" with Wilkinson, it was a lot of short stuff and nobody could stop it. Wilkie did not have a great arm.

I know zach and Buck liked the bomb,, but I like  this more, it's just too hard to connect on the long ones. And maybe  it's a recognition that Zach's arm isn't what it used to be. And that they want to have quick hitters So he doesn't get pounded.

What do people think about the holes the line was opening for the  Cool guy?

He was great, but there was obviously some great blocking too. No idea who was in there but they were obviously doing well, which is really encouraging this early. Maybe the O line will be improved over last season.

I Hope there is a way to keep  Cool(ey)

It's So great the season is starting.

[Blueforlife]

Streveler just read it wrong. He should have stuck with the handoff and we easily pick up the first. Not sure what he was seeing there. Maybe he just wanted to get hit. No kidding.

Good point he likely took the option.  Agree all but not about the hit.

Markf, the decline on Zach ability to throw a deep ball is overstated imo.

[ModAdmin]

Markf is not overstating at all.  As a player gets older their skill and physical attributes decline.  That is a given.  No one with any sense is suggesting Zach is past his ability to play and perform but it would be foolhardy to suggest his ability to perform at his earlier high level is not affected as he gets older.

[Blueforlife]

Markf is not overstating at all.  As a player gets older their skill and physical attributes decline.  That is a given.  No one with any sense is suggesting Zach is past his ability to play and perform but it would be foolhardy to suggest his ability to perform at his earlier high level is not affected as he gets older.

I believe that many have overstated the decline of Zach's ability to throw a deep ball.  What's your opinion on that?  Yes players decline as they age physically but to suggest one's skill always declines is not true.  Many elite players adjust to their physical decline by adjust and polishing their craft.  A good example is Corey Perry on the Oil.  Guy has slowed down but still has the magic hands. I thought father time would have caught up to him but he proved me wrong this year. 

Zach is less mobile but still can sling it, including the deep ball imo.  The skills a great vet has often remain, they usually lack the foot speed as they near retirement. 

We shall see how often and successful Zach is with the deep routes this year.  I expect that will be a pillar to our success. 

Another good example is Harris, his skills I believe increased as he aged but father time slowly took away his physical abilities (speed) and ability to stay healthy.

The best players evolve as they get older.  Zach won't escape pressure like he used to and will protect himself much better.  His arm strength and ability to chuck em deep are still there imo.

My biggest criticism with Zach is he needs to throw balls away more.  He is a little stubborn and need to let some plays go.  It's what has made him great but sometimes let's his ego gets in the way of just eating a few more plays rather than hero throws or forcing it into too tight of windows / throwing bad picks.

With a new OC and offense it be interesting to see how Zach evolves this year with new plays and a few new weapons.  Early play calling shows potentially more short and medium routes but way to early to know until we hit the regular season with all our weapons polished and loaded.

I believe our success on offence will depend on Zach's ability to stretch the field as he always has which opens up the best run game in the league.  If the OL can gel early, I believe that's very possible.

Yes we are past Zach's peak but the drop off isn't that steep (yet) imo.  That will come in time but I expect a good year from him, better than last.  Hogan will take time to hone his craft.

[Pigskin]

Clock management late in the game, needs some work.

[TecnoGenius]

Clock management late in the game, needs some work.

I thought we did a good job closing it out.  Sustained a long drive from, what, 3 min to 1 min?  Not leaving SSK much time to get the major.  If you're talking "should have run more" then keep in mind we still need to get looks at all these RECs in TC... and hard for the noob QBs to have crisp clock-drain skills.

[TecnoGenius]

So where was Jarious?  I didn't see him on-field, but I arrived after the warmups, so I didn't get to do my usual binoc-watching.

Anyone who sits on East side, did you scan the booths for him?  I would have... but I'm W side.  Surely you want your "assistant" OC to be present "helping" the new guy?

I thought the play calls were pretty good.  However, you need to be better about quickly calling that Wilson non-long-bomb without having to blow a TO, which basically announces to the world you're doing something "interesting"... I said to my ST bud and my kids "here comes a long bomb!".  LOL, then I think he got sacked or fumbled as he waited 5s.  Oh well.

[Jesse]

So where was Jarious?  I didn't see him on-field, but I arrived after the warmups, so I didn't get to do my usual binoc-watching.

Anyone who sits on East side, did you scan the booths for him?  I would have... but I'm W side.  Surely you want your "assistant" OC to be present "helping" the new guy?

I thought the play calls were pretty good.  However, you need to be better about quickly calling that Wilson non-long-bomb without having to blow a TO, which basically announces to the world you're doing something "interesting"... I said to my ST bud and my kids "here comes a long bomb!".  LOL, then I think he got sacked or fumbled as he waited 5s.  Oh well.

Where have you been? Jarious hasn't come to Winnipeg yet. He's MIA.

As to Hogan's offence. It gave off major Lapo vibes.

Very quick run. Get the ball out fast. Set up the occasional deep shot later in the game (which we obviously didn't get to see in the preseason). It'll be interesting to see how that meshes with Zach and Schoen. And if it has any effect on Brady's game (who is catching more balls every year).

[pdirks67]

I don't think that any team is calling anything too exotic in the pre-season. And Hogan is almost certainly going to have some growing pains calling plays early in the regular season. It's fun to put this topic out there, but I don't think that we're going to have a real feel for Hogan's abilities to call plays and tweak the offence until the end of summer.

[markf]

I don't think that any team is calling anything too exotic in the pre-season. And Hogan is almost certainly going to have some growing pains calling plays early in the regular season. It's fun to put this topic out there, but I don't think that we're going to have a real feel for Hogan's abilities to call plays and tweak the offence until the end of summer.

Don't you think that Zach is going to have some, maybe quite a bit of input in the offence?

[theaardvark]

So, nothing about Jarious Jackson being reported?  Is his absence health related?  Family related?

Is the team waiting on him deciding something, or does he have a prior commitment that he is fulfilling?

Not saying the team will suffer from his absence, but it would be good to have a dedicated QB coach in camp when you have 4+1 QBs here, and your starter is suspended for a game.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

So, nothing about Jarious Jackson being reported?  Is his absence health related?  Family related?

Is the team waiting on him deciding something, or does he have a prior commitment that he is fulfilling?

Not saying the team will suffer from his absence, but it would be good to have a dedicated QB coach in camp when you have 4+1 QBs here, and your starter is suspended for a game.

No word, but indications they are in contact with him so technically not MIA. He went from temp. HC down to QB coach, so maybe he has some kind of serious issues. Tic-Toc, they've got 3 QB's that need serious guidance.