Extra Draft Selection

Started by ModAdmin, March 07, 2025, 10:09:37 PM

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BC Lions and Winnipeg Blue Bombers both awarded an extra second round selection in the 2025 Draft for having the most Canadian snaps in the 2024 season.
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Pigskin

Nice. Winnipeg with 3 picks in the first 2 rounds. 7,16, and 18th. 
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Blue In BC

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How strong a draft class is this year's?   I wonder if we keep all our ranked choices or make some sort of trade as we did in 2024. 

I'd like to keep that 1st round pick this year, but hard to know what we'll do. An extra pick can't hurt. Aside from picking the best available I'm thinking OL and WR needs for our first two depth needs. Whether those available as our choices fit into those categories will be the discussions going forward.

Note the comment on the other sites that the expectation is that the Lions will forfeit their 1st round pick for being excessively over the cap and it will fall to the Stamps. That would give the Stamps 2 1st round picks.

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Waffler

I don't like the rule. Why should one team benefit more than the rest? They didn't over spend to beat Calgary. They were looking to beat Winnipeg and it would have been us (Sask maybe too) that felt it the worst if the over spending had actually helped.  I much prefer the pick just disappeared. BC penalized and all other teams helped equally.
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If they actually lose the 2nd round pick also by being 300k over, where does that one go?
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Pigskin

Quote from: Blue In BC on March 08, 2025, 01:24:38 PMHow strong a draft class is this year's?   I wonder if we keep all our ranked choices or make some sort of trade as we did in 2024. 

I'd like to keep that 1st round pick this year, but hard to know what we'll do. An extra pick can't hurt. Aside from picking the best available I'm thinking OL and WR needs for our first two depth needs. Whether those available as our choices fit into those categories will be the discussions going forward.

Note the comment on the other sites that the expectation is that the Lions will forfeit their 1st round pick for being excessively over the cap and it will fall to the Stamps. That would give the Stamps 2 1st round picks.



A lot of DL and WR, not that many highly rated OL.
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Blue In BC

Quote from: Pigskin on March 08, 2025, 06:40:35 PMA lot of DL and WR, not that many highly rated OL.

I figured as much from the early rankings. We don't need another Canadian DL unless of course he's the best player available. OTOH, our receiver depth might be a bit shakier. Cobb might turn out to be very good depth / rotation. I'm not sure what to expect. Just thinking if we have 1 nicked Canadian starter then he's starting as in game injury if he's on the AR.

I guess the same is somewhat true for depth at DB. We did pick up a couple of Canadians there but health and ability might be a concern. Hallett is not getting any younger and fallen off the depth chart as a potential starter. We'll see if Kelly fights to win a starting role but I'm thinking Griffin is pencilled in at the moment.
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Sir Blue and Gold

This rule works out for us but it doesn't make a lot of logical sense. Let's give more draft picks to teams that already have great Canadian content? It's not like all teams wouldn't want to dress 8 or 9 guys if they can play.

DM83

Well as usual lousy info available. Who are the top guys?.  The CFL ?......not exactly a hotbed of interest. Sorry boys, just not savvy enough to dig for info. My stupidity at fault.


Throw Long Bannatyne

Quote from: Blue In BC on March 08, 2025, 06:50:49 PMI figured as much from the early rankings. We don't need another Canadian DL unless of course he's the best player available. OTOH, our receiver depth might be a bit shakier. Cobb might turn out to be very good depth / rotation. I'm not sure what to expect. Just thinking if we have 1 nicked Canadian starter then he's starting as in game injury if he's on the AR.

I guess the same is somewhat true for depth at DB. We did pick up a couple of Canadians there but health and ability might be a concern. Hallett is not getting any younger and fallen off the depth chart as a potential starter. We'll see if Kelly fights to win a starting role but I'm thinking Griffin is pencilled in at the moment.

I think Cobb's main role will be backing up returner, how he does filling in at receiver is a mystery.  Have to see if he has good enough hands to become a future starter.

Blue In BC

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on March 09, 2025, 04:25:08 PMI think Cobb's main role will be backing up returner, how he does filling in at receiver is a mystery.  Have to see if he has good enough hands to become a future starter.

There always other players that can sub in as a returner. Mitchell might be used at times and or in emergency situations. He did that in Edmonton.

If Cobb can't show something as a receiver, his days will be numbered. I don't expect to see him on coverage teams. I don't expect him to become a starter but do expect him to be useful in rotation and for in game injury situations. He has to be more than a pylon so to speak.

Either way, I think we draft a receiver that will be more of a longer plan and that could even bump him off being the immediate back up?
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Blue In BC

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Quote from: DM83 on March 09, 2025, 04:01:24 PMWell as usual lousy info available. Who are the top guys?.  The CFL ?......not exactly a hotbed of interest. Sorry boys, just not savvy enough to dig for info. My stupidity at fault.



It will change with players going up or down after combines etc. But here is the 1st bit of info.  Click on the " read more " after you open the link. It's half way down in the article.

https://gogriz.com/news/2025/1/22/football-white-and-harris-named-among-top-20-cfl-draft-prospects
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TecnoGenius

Quote from: Waffler on March 08, 2025, 02:31:36 PMI don't like the rule. Why should one team benefit more than the rest? They didn't over spend to beat Calgary. They were looking to beat Winnipeg and it would have been us (Sask maybe too) that felt it the worst if the over spending had actually helped.  I much prefer the pick just disappeared. BC penalized and all other teams helped equally.

Haha, I like your logic!  But hard to enforce that because how do you determine "who they were out to beat"?  You could argue then that it really was TOR (who they'd face in the GC).

I do wonder if CGY really does get an extra 1RDP?  How does that make any sense?  If BC went over and loses their 1RDP then it should just fall off the face of the earth and 2nd round starts at pick #9?

If that's not the way it works, then it's dumb.  Are you really telling me CGY would get like #1 (R1), #9 (R1) and then #10 (R2)?  Or are you saying the #9 really would be R2 and they don't get #10, but their normal #18 or whatever?
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TecnoGenius

Quote from: Pigskin on March 08, 2025, 06:40:35 PMA lot of DL and WR, not that many highly rated OL.

If there's a paucity of good OL and we can't strike gold with an early 1RDP then a best-pick DL would still work if they are starter material.  No law that says we can't shift the ratio from OL to DL.

The key would be getting a guy that is as starting-ready as a top OL would be (i.e. starting in year 1 like Chungh, Gray).
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TecnoGenius

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on March 09, 2025, 02:04:59 PMThis rule works out for us but it doesn't make a lot of logical sense. Let's give more draft picks to teams that already have great Canadian content? It's not like all teams wouldn't want to dress 8 or 9 guys if they can play.

I'm pretty sure the OP is worded badly.  It's not "the most NAT snaps", it's "the least number of FAKENAT (DNA) snaps".  That's not the same thing.

Otherwise they'd also be rewarding a team for being on O more (i.e. getting more snaps overall)!

I find it funny/ironic that almost-surely-250K-over BC is sneaking in this extra 2nd rounder to offset their insanity.

I'm pretty sure WPG/BC tied for this "award" by having 0 (zero) FAKENAT snaps.  I would really love to see the final tally of every team!  It would be useful to see what HCs are making heavy use of this "cheat code".
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