Blue Bombers re-sign two-time All-CFL receiver Dalton Schoen

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Blue Bombers re-sign two-time All-CFL receiver Dalton Schoen

WINNIPEG, MB., February 1, 2025 –  The Winnipeg Blue Bombers today announce the club has agreed to terms on a one-year contract with receiver Dalton Schoen. He was scheduled to become a free agent on February 11.

Schoen (6-1, 210; Kansas State; born: October 13, 1996, in Overland Park, KS) returns to the Blue Bombers for a fourth season in 2025. He was limited to just three games in 2024 after suffering a season-ending knee injury in a loss to the B.C. Lions. Over those two-plus contests, Schoen pulled in 14 passes for 159 yards.

His two seasons prior to 2024 were among the most prolific in Blue Bombers and Canadian Football League history. In 34 games over 2022-23, Schoen racked up 141 receptions for 2,663 yards and 26 touchdowns while being named a West Division and CFL All-Star in each season.

In 2023, Schoen had 71 receptions for 1,222 yards and 10 touchdowns, finishing third in the league in yardage, first in receiving touchdowns and third in second-down conversion catches with 30.

His rookie year of 2022 was sensational, as he led the league with 1,441 receiving yards on 70 receptions while tying for the league lead in touchdowns with 16. Those numbers helped him earn him the CFL's Most Outstanding Rookie honours.

Schoen's 1,441 yards in 2022 was the seventh-highest total in club history (Milt Stegall holds the club record of 1,896, set in 2002) and set a team record for touchdowns by a first-year Blue Bomber.

Over 37 CFL games, all with the Blue Bombers, Schoen has 244 receptions for 2,822 yards and 26 touchdowns.

Schoen came to the Blue Bombers after first signing in the NFL as an undrafted free agent with the Los Angeles Chargers in 2020 and following looks from Kansas City and Washington.

Schoen was a walk-on at Kansas State, climbing up the depth chart to eventually start as a sophomore and become a key target over his final three years. He finished his college career ranked seventh in school history in yards per reception (17.05) and 15th in career receiving yards (1,569). He finished with 92 receptions for 1,569 yards and nine touchdowns over 34 games from 2017-2019.

He was a 2019 Honorable Mention All-Big 12 and a member of the First Team Academic All-Big 12 from 2017-19.
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Blue In BC

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dd

This could be good news if his health holds up or disaster if he gets re-injured/lost for the season.

What's the situation with his injury and is he going to be ready to go this year?

What exactly was his injury and what's the likelihood of him getting re-injured??

ModAdmin

Quote from: dd on February 01, 2025, 03:48:15 PMThis could be good news if his health holds up or disaster if he gets re-injured/lost for the season.

What's the situation with his injury and is he going to be ready to go this year?

What exactly was his injury and what's the likelihood of him getting re-injured??

He has a media conference coming up on Monday.  I'm sure the recovery status will come up then.
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Sir Blue and Gold

Would like to see terms. Kind of on the fence on this one.

Throw Long Bannatyne

Farhan saying 1yr for 175k, if true he took a $50k haircut.

markf

"The 28-year-old indicated during the team's end-of-year media availability that he expects to be back to 100 percent before training camp gets underway."

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Interesting how some players are able to play game after game year after year.... Willie, Thomas.

Sir Blue and Gold

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 01, 2025, 03:59:30 PMFarhan saying 1yr for 175k, if true he took a $50k haircut.

Here's the post. Given that price point I think it's worth the risk.

@FarhanLaljiTSN
Fairly team friendly deal for Schoen. 175k in hard money plus significant playtime & performance incentives. @CFLonTSN #Bombers


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Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on February 01, 2025, 04:13:24 PMHere's the post. Given that price point I think it's worth the risk.

@FarhanLaljiTSN
Fairly team friendly deal for Schoen. 175k in hard money plus significant playtime & performance incentives. @CFLonTSN #Bombers



That's a good deal IMO. He's the glue that keeps the offence moving getting those tough 2nd down conversions across the middle.

That savings probably pays the difference getting Mitchell while losing Wilson on that ELC.

If we get Lawler to take a similar cut that would give us some additional room in free agency. Top end costs for receivers seems to be re-setting downwards.
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Throw Long Bannatyne

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on February 01, 2025, 04:13:24 PMHere's the post. Given that price point I think it's worth the risk.

@FarhanLaljiTSN
Fairly team friendly deal for Schoen. 175k in hard money plus significant playtime & performance incentives. @CFLonTSN #Bombers

Hopefully those incentives push him closer to what he was scheduled to make last season, if he puts up another league leading season he deserves to be paid around $225k.  With the addition of Mitchell, we may have seen the last of Lawler.

Blue In BC

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 01, 2025, 04:40:54 PMHopefully those incentives push him closer to what he was scheduled to make last season, if he puts up another league leading season he deserves to be paid around $225k.  With the addition of Mitchell, we may have seen the last of Lawler.

Getting Mitchell offsets losing O. Wilson. We may not get Lawler back but getting Schoen wouldn't be the reason for that.
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Pigskin

Excellent signing with 24 hours left before the communication window opens.
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Jesse

Quote from: peg_city on February 01, 2025, 06:27:27 PMI wonder what this means for Lawler?

Hopefully it means he has a similar incentive laden deal in front of him that he can accept or go elsewhere if he's going to demand top of market guaranteed money.
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Throw Long Bannatyne

Quote from: Jesse on February 01, 2025, 07:12:38 PMHopefully it means he has a similar incentive laden deal in front of him that he can accept or go elsewhere if he's going to demand top of market guaranteed money.

Not sure any receiver is going to receive $250k+ anymore, Ottawa also released Rhymes.

Jesse

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 01, 2025, 07:18:25 PMNot sure any receiver is going to receive $250k+ anymore, Ottawa also released Rhymes.

Whatever "top of market" ends up being, I don't think we're going to meet Kenny there. Unless it's as incentives on a Schoen-like base.
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Blueforlife

If he plays 3/4 of the game and the playoffs it's highway robbery.  One of the best.  Worth every penny.  I see break even at 1/2 games played.

My expectation is that he will be healthy but slow start and will get knicked up a couple times (minor)

Love this but I want Lawler too!

Kenny will be mo money

TecnoGenius

Quote from: dd on February 01, 2025, 03:48:15 PMThis could be good news if his health holds up or disaster if he gets re-injured/lost for the season.

All depends on if he got any signing bonus.  If we were smart, we told him how we can't get screwed out of the huge signing bonus like last year.  I really hope he got $0 bonus.

Then it really doesn't matter if he gets injured, from an SMS standpoint.  If he gets another season-ender we recapture all of the SMS on the 6GIR.

I think the best way forward for most players/positions is to give them $0 bonus, and high incentives.  That's the only way we protect ourselves from a SMS standpoint.
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TecnoGenius

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 01, 2025, 03:59:30 PMFarhan saying 1yr for 175k, if true he took a $50k haircut.

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on February 01, 2025, 04:13:24 PMFairly team friendly deal for Schoen. 175k in hard money plus significant playtime & performance incentives. @CFLonTSN #Bombers

This is the way.  A great deal and we should all thank Schoen for being team-friendly.  I wasn't sure if he'd show any loyalty, as he's been here only a short time, and he did.  He might be a long-termer here!  BFL.  Here's hoping.
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TecnoGenius

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 01, 2025, 04:40:54 PMHopefully those incentives push him closer to what he was scheduled to make last season, if he puts up another league leading season he deserves to be paid around $225k.  With the addition of Mitchell, we may have seen the last of Lawler.

Nah, if anything all the middling FA signs, and the Schoen discount, and the IR vet dumps, means that we will have no problem finding the $ for Kenny (and Dobson).

Schoen was the one that was going to bail, if anyone was.  Kenny is almost a sure thing.

... unless we're mad at him for putting his heel out in the GC?
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J5V

For me, what hurt the team most last season, especially early, was the O-line. If you can't protect your QB then your receivers can't do much for you.

I'd like to see us beef up the O-line and keep Collaros clean. Then your receivers will have the opportunity to make plays.
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Jesse

Quote from: J5V on February 01, 2025, 11:09:33 PMFor me, what hurt the team most last season, especially early, was the O-line. If you can't protect your QB then your receivers can't do much for you.

I'd like to see us beef up the O-line and keep Collaros clean. Then your receivers will have the opportunity to make plays.

I don't want to blame any single unit. The biggest problem was a lack of cohesion throughout the offence.

The first time the OL played together was game 1 of the regular season. Brady didn't practice all training camp and was injured to start the year. Receiver after receiver went down. There was zero consistency anywhere.
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gordo

Very happy. Number one signing for me.

Lawler would be great too but Schoen is a guy to build around.

theaardvark

"Significant" bonuses... $175 is a good price, but how significant are the bonuses?  If he plays well and doesn't get hurt, what's the top end?  $225k?  $250k?

Bonuses are hard to budget...
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Throw Long Bannatyne

Quote from: TecnoGenius on February 01, 2025, 11:02:58 PMNah, if anything all the middling FA signs, and the Schoen discount, and the IR vet dumps, means that we will have no problem finding the $ for Kenny (and Dobson).

Schoen was the one that was going to bail, if anyone was.  Kenny is almost a sure thing.

... unless we're mad at him for putting his heel out in the GC?

No worries, watch this interview, Dalton is a great kid.



DM83

If he is healthy he's my favourite player.  I love Strev, also, but that knee was really disturbed.

Please stop talking about a salary cap.  More than likely winning teams are over. In Manitoba, our never accountable government just writes it off. Convince Wab there is First Nations blood in there, and  it's cartel Blanche. The Métis Nation have it right.  They are re-investing in Winnipeg. Wab is enabling real potential. 

Sir Blue and Gold

This is absolutely not a "steal" and I'm surprised so many of you think it is.

It's a fair set-up for a guy coming off an ACL who hasn't played since June.

It sounds like he can still top out on the high side with the bonuses and if he does so it remains a highly expensive contract for high production. Good but expected for the price.

If he doesn't come back the same or is on the shelf early and often then it's survivable from the sense that $175,000 isn't outrageous money from the get go but will still cost us something else.

Jesse

Quote from: theaardvark on February 02, 2025, 04:27:19 AM"Significant" bonuses... $175 is a good price, but how significant are the bonuses?  If he plays well and doesn't get hurt, what's the top end?  $225k?  $250k?

Bonuses are hard to budget...

The trade off this year is that you don't need to budget for them. You budget for 175 and if a guy like Schoen hits his bonuses, you happily pay the fine at the end of the year.
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J5V

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 02, 2025, 06:18:51 AMNo worries, watch this interview, Dalton is a great kid.



Thanks Bannatyne. Good watch. Yeah, I quite like him, he's very personable.

Regarding negotiations, he came right out with it and said this is a one-year league, and he seems to accept  that's how most contracts for players like him are structured. Very wise, mature attitude for a young guy. I can see why Bomber management like him.
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TecnoGenius

Quote from: theaardvark on February 02, 2025, 04:27:19 AM"Significant" bonuses... $175 is a good price, but how significant are the bonuses?  If he plays well and doesn't get hurt, what's the top end?  $225k?  $250k?

I would think $50k is the max for incentives for Schoen.  Traditionally the CFL incentives are jokes.  Like a few extra thou in the player's pocket for not-so-easy-to-reach goals.

I bet it's like $20k in incentives in reality for Schoen.  Maybe even less.

I'd love to see many more contracts move to more $ for achievable incentives instead of the upfront bonus structure many of the top stars have.  Incentives are 100% SMS protected if the player gets a season-ender.
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TecnoGenius

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on February 02, 2025, 12:26:57 PMThis is absolutely not a "steal" and I'm surprised so many of you think it is.

It is absolutely a steal when I think Schoen got $225 last season to be injured the whole time!  And with Gino getting a zillion and Kenny on a huge contract too, getting a previously-leaugue-leading WR for $175 is a coup.

So many thought we'd lose him.  And so many thought his payday would be much bigger.
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BlueFire

Quote from: TecnoGenius on February 01, 2025, 10:58:30 PMAll depends on if he got any signing bonus.  If we were smart, we told him how we can't get screwed out of the huge signing bonus like last year.  I really hope he got $0 bonus.

Then it really doesn't matter if he gets injured, from an SMS standpoint.  If he gets another season-ender we recapture all of the SMS on the 6GIR.

I think the best way forward for most players/positions is to give them $0 bonus, and high incentives.  That's the only way we protect ourselves from a SMS standpoint.

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theaardvark

There will be play time and performance bonuses, and I'd bet if he maxes them both, he should be getting $250k.

I'd bet its $3k/game playtime bonus and $10k 1000yds, $10k CFL All Star (not just western, maybe $5k for western).

That's $75k in bonuses, and worth every penny if he accomplishes those.
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Quote from: TecnoGenius on February 03, 2025, 01:53:23 AMI would think $50k is the max for incentives for Schoen.  Traditionally the CFL incentives are jokes.  Like a few extra thou in the player's pocket for not-so-easy-to-reach goals.

I bet it's like $20k in incentives in reality for Schoen.  Maybe even less.

I'd love to see many more contracts move to more $ for achievable incentives instead of the upfront bonus structure many of the top stars have.  Incentives are 100% SMS protected if the player gets a season-ender.


The early money has a tax advantage for American players. That has the net impact of reducing the total salary. There have been extensive discussions about the pros and cons of this idea.

I argued that the advance money should still be calculated against a per game salary. Others argued that every team understands the risk.

As the current situation exists I would support NOT using the big signing bonus money as part of any contract.

Changing to significant game and performance bonus money is also a risk of not knowing where the figure lands. That's not good business planning in a SMS environment.
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Throw Long Bannatyne

Quote from: Blue In BC on February 03, 2025, 03:16:43 PMThe early money has a tax advantage for American players. That has the net impact of reducing the total salary. There have been extensive discussions about the pros and cons of this idea.

I argued that the advance money should still be calculated against a per game salary. Others argued that every team understands the risk.

As the current situation exists I would support NOT using the big singing bonus money as part of any contract.

Changing to significant game and performance bonus money is also a risk of not knowing where the figure lands. That's not good business planning in a SMS environment.

Walters has said he doesn't like having a lot of players with bonuses for this very reason.

Jesse

Quote from: theaardvark on February 03, 2025, 03:01:36 PMThere will be play time and performance bonuses, and I'd bet if he maxes them both, he should be getting $250k.

I'd bet its $3k/game playtime bonus and $10k 1000yds, $10k CFL All Star (not just western, maybe $5k for western).

That's $75k in bonuses, and worth every penny if he accomplishes those.

I agree with Techno, doubt it's anywhere near that much.
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theaardvark

Quote from: Blue In BC on February 03, 2025, 03:16:43 PMThe early money has a tax advantage for American players. That has the net impact of reducing the total salary. There have been extensive discussions about the pros and cons of this idea.

I argued that the advance money should still be calculated against a per game salary. Others argued that every team understands the risk.

As the current situation exists I would support NOT using the big signing bonus money as part of any contract.

Changing to significant game and performance bonus money is also a risk of not knowing where the figure lands. That's not good business planning in a SMS environment.

No mention whether the $175k included signing bonuses, just that it is hard money, which can mean 100% game cheques.  Or a big signing/roster bonus.

Not sure Schoen's primary residence, and if there is a tax benefit for bonus money (like FL, NV or TX IIRC).  But I don't think Walters is giving up too much up front bonus money this year.
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theaardvark

Quote from: Jesse on February 03, 2025, 03:39:28 PMI agree with Techno, doubt it's anywhere near that much.

1000 yd+ All Star Schoen who plays 18 games is worth every penny of $250k, and he's worth $175k to have the opportunity for him to get 1000 yds in 18 games...
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Sir Blue and Gold

Quote from: theaardvark on February 03, 2025, 04:06:50 PM1000 yd+ All Star Schoen who plays 18 games is worth every penny of $250k, and he's worth $175k to have the opportunity for him to get 1000 yds in 18 games...

$250,000 for 1000 yards is not "worth every penny". Ontaria Wilson had 1026 yards last year on an ELC. That is a contract worth fawning over. Hypothetically, if Schoen does it at $250,000 that's basically the bare floor and would put him as the 12th receiver by yardage using last year's stats. Demski had just over 1000 at $225,000 as a Canadian. There's some Blue tinted math going on here that's for sure. Hopefully Schoen works out but we're paying for it that's for certain.

theaardvark

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on February 03, 2025, 05:28:34 PM$250,000 for 1000 yards is not "worth every penny". Ontaria Wilson had 1026 yards last year on an ELC. That is a contract worth fawning over. Hypothetically, if Schoen does it at $250,000 that's basically the bare floor and would put him as the 12th receiver by yardage using last year's stats. Demski had just over 1000 at $225,000 as a Canadian. There's some Blue tinted math going on here that's for sure. Hopefully Schoen works out but we're paying for it that's for certain.

Bringing in a rookie to compare.. right.  Schoen gave us huge years at ELC.  ut you can't compare those contracts to todays.

Most teams have 1 1000yd receiver.  And most teams pay their best Vet rec in the range of $250k.

If he plays 18 games, he's going to get more than 1000 yds, and if he gets league all star, that means he is *worth every penny* of $250k. 

There is a difference between optimizing an ELC player's years, and signing proven vet receivers.

Demski was a deal, worth every penny of $225k having had an couple exceptional years.  He was a perennial 600 yd guy, who missed a fair number of games, but has been healthy and productive the last two.  Not diss'ing Demski at all, I love having him on the team.  He is a great part of the Rec corps, but never the #1 guy. 

Schoen is proven to be a potential #1 guy every year.  What I'm saying is *IF* he has performance/play bonuses that take him to $250k, I'm hoping he earns every one.  It would be worth every penny (even though w don't have pennies anymore.)
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Sir Blue and Gold

Quote from: theaardvark on February 03, 2025, 05:44:10 PMBringing in a rookie to compare.. right.  Schoen gave us huge years at ELC.  ut you can't compare those contracts to todays.

Most teams have 1 1000yd receiver.  And most teams pay their best Vet rec in the range of $250k.

If he plays 18 games, he's going to get more than 1000 yds, and if he gets league all star, that means he is *worth every penny* of $250k. 

There is a difference between optimizing an ELC player's years, and signing proven vet receivers.

Demski was a deal, worth every penny of $225k having had an couple exceptional years.  He was a perennial 600 yd guy, who missed a fair number of games, but has been healthy and productive the last two.  Not diss'ing Demski at all, I love having him on the team.  He is a great part of the Rec corps, but never the #1 guy. 

Schoen is proven to be a potential #1 guy every year.  What I'm saying is *IF* he has performance/play bonuses that take him to $250k, I'm hoping he earns every one.  It would be worth every penny (even though w don't have pennies anymore.)

Sure. I get it. Just you know though, 1000 yards in 2024 would put Schoen:

3rd in receiving in Hamilton (behind White and Dunbar Jr.)
3rd in receiving in Ottawa (behind Hardy and Rhymes)
3rd in receiving in Winnipeg (behind Wilson and Demski)
2nd in receiving in BC (behind McInnis)
2nd in receiving in Calgary (behind Begalton)
2nd in receiving in Edmonton (behind Lewis)
2nd in receiving in Regina (behind Emilus)
2nd in receiving in Toronto (behind Polk)

Receiving yards don't tell the whole story so I should also point that out but this contract is not a steal and wouldn't have even been one last year when all the receivers probably made quite a bit more collectively.  It's more or less fair value with a big dose of risk in regards to an ACL and a player who has been pretty banged up even when he was playing weekly.

theaardvark

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on February 03, 2025, 05:53:24 PMSure. I get it. Just you know though, 1000 yards in 2024 would put Schoen:

3rd in receiving in Hamilton (behind White and Dunbar Jr.)
3rd in receiving in Ottawa (behind Hardy and Rhymes)
3rd in receiving in Winnipeg (behind Wilson and Demski)
2nd in receiving in BC (behind McInnis)
2nd in receiving in Calgary (behind Begalton)
2nd in receiving in Edmonton (behind Lewis)
2nd in receiving in Regina (behind Emilus)
2nd in receiving in Toronto (behind Polk)

Receiving yards don't tell the whole story so I should also point that out but this contract is not a steal and wouldn't have even been one last year when all the receivers probably made quite a bit more collectively.  It's more or less fair value with a big dose of risk in regards to an ACL and a player who has been pretty banged up even when he was playing weekly.

When I say "1000 yds+", I'm not talking 1001...  he had 1400 and 1200 the first 2 years, which would put him top 2 or 3 in the league.

We have no idea what his performanc bonuses are, and people were speculating they max out at $25k, or that they were not substantial.

My point is that even if they were as high as I conjectured, and added $75k to his deal, he's still worth it.  *IF* he earns them.  Otherwise, he's a good signing risk at $175k.
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Sir Blue and Gold

I can get on board with that: $200,000 top end is more reasonable if that's what it is. If he clocks in at $250,000 though he better be essentially the best receiver (or solidly top 3) in the league and that's where I have my doubts with the ACL and injury history. We shall see. 

blue_or_die

Put me in the boat with those who think this incentive-laden deal is great for both sides.

Can't wait to see him back in blue and gold and win a cup in front of our fans.

And I hope he makes $250K because he exceeded every contract milestone and we go over the cap.

And I hope Kenny comes back under a similar deal and they become a deadly two-headed monster that drives defenses crazy.
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Dalton Schoen talks about his new deal

"Obviously a little bit of a different year for me, coming off injury," began Schoen in a Zoom call with local media on Monday. "We kind of felt like we were in a different spot, negotiating-wise."

Schoen conceded that team's job is "to get as much value on the field for as cheap as they can, so they've got to use every trick in the book. It's kind of a situation that's understood by both sides. But you still have to try to find that middle ground where everybody's kind of at least somewhat happy with it."

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TecnoGenius

Quote from: Blue In BC on February 03, 2025, 03:16:43 PMThe early money has a tax advantage for American players. That has the net impact of reducing the total salary. There have been extensive discussions about the pros and cons of this idea.

I wonder if the tax advantages also apply to back-end bonuses?  You would think there would be a break for all "bonuses", not just front-end ones?
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Blue In BC

Quote from: TecnoGenius on February 03, 2025, 09:24:31 PMI wonder if the tax advantages also apply to back-end bonuses?  You would think there would be a break for all "bonuses", not just front-end ones?

Not that I'm aware of that being true. OTOH, it's outside of the play during the season. The work a player does during the season might get him an MOP for example which technically happens after the season.

Interesting question though.
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TecnoGenius

Quote from: theaardvark on February 03, 2025, 04:06:50 PM1000 yd+ All Star Schoen who plays 18 games is worth every penny of $250k, and he's worth $175k to have the opportunity for him to get 1000 yds in 18 games...

If he is the league-leading REC in 2025, in Y and TD, and helps us win the cup, then I don't care what we pay him in incentive bonuses.

The good thing about Schoen is that scenario is possible!  Maybe even probable.

I bet the incentives for Schoen are like $15k, but I'm of the mind CFL contracts should be mega-incentive based.  Like $1k every TD, $X every block that results in a TD, $Y every tough 2nd down clutch catch, etc.  If they make an extra $100k by the end of the year scoring like crazy, great!  Who here wouldn't pay for that?
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Jesse

Quote from: theaardvark on February 03, 2025, 06:14:18 PMWhen I say "1000 yds+", I'm not talking 1001...  he had 1400 and 1200 the first 2 years, which would put him top 2 or 3 in the league.

We have no idea what his performanc bonuses are, and people were speculating they max out at $25k, or that they were not substantial.

My point is that even if they were as high as I conjectured, and added $75k to his deal, he's still worth it.  *IF* he earns them.  Otherwise, he's a good signing risk at $175k.

I think you're not adjusting to the new salary structure for receivers. $250k is the new ceiling. That's the highest paid in the league right now.

And 75k on a 175k salary seems like a lot. 25-50k seems on the high end already. I think the contract potentially getting up to 200k with bonuses makes more sense.

5 guys make CFL all star. 10 make divisional all star. A max of 3 will get 250+. 1000 yards and an all star nod does not make that contract worth it. Like Sir Blue and Gold says, he's have to be in the top 3 to make that contract worth it. 
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TecnoGenius

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on February 03, 2025, 05:53:24 PMReceiving yards don't tell the whole story so I should also point that out but this contract is not a steal and wouldn't have even been one last year when all the receivers probably made quite a bit more collectively.

Looking at just the base salary ($175), the contract is a steal for the simple fact that Schoen is a top tier-1 REC in terms of stats for the years he was healthy.  After the REC pay scale "reset" from 1 to 4 years ago $200 is around the minimum for tier-1 RECs, with some edging close to the $300 mark.  (Yes, that's falling back a bit now.)
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theaardvark

To my understanding, bonuses paid outside the season (before or after) are taxed only in the home tax district, whereas game cheques are taxed in the Canadian jurisdiction in which they are earned.  So the same tax savings for signing bonuses apply to other bonuses, as long as they are paid after the season.  If the player earns a game playing bonus, and gets paid that with each game cheque, no tax savings for the player...
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