Off-season Rule Change

Started by TecnoGenius, January 24, 2025, 02:32:47 AM

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TecnoGenius

Calling Mr. Rules Committee MOS!

I want to see the bizarre case of Kenny's GC non-catch be a completion.  It shouldn't matter if your back heel comes down on the sideline as long as you get the normally-enough toe-tap down in-bounds.

Spot the outlier when it comes to sideline catches:

1. Tap your toe and then lift it up and body falls OOB: completion
2. Tap your toe and your heel comes down inbounds: completion
3. Drag your toe from inbounds to OOB and your body falls OOB: completion
4. Tap your toe and your heel comes down OOB: incomplete

It's frankly ridiculous, and the rule wording that causes it would be easily tweaked to make #4 a completion.
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dd

cant recall lawlers catch but i believe the rule is your first foot has to come down in bounds, the next foot doesn't matter , at least that's the amateur rule. Makes no sense in the pros if your first foot comes down in bounds and your second foot out of bounds is incomplete, that's the NFL rule that requires both feet in bounds and CFL is only one, but its got to be your first foot touching the ground.

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Quote from: bluengold204 on January 24, 2025, 05:37:55 AMUgh is this guy seriously on this topic again

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Quote from: Stretch on January 25, 2025, 03:19:39 AMHe's just getting warmed up.

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Looks like a nice upgrade. I am noticing more players in the NFL wearing the G-cap in games lately..

 
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Quote from: Pigskin on January 25, 2025, 03:54:42 PMLooks like a nice upgrade. I am noticing more players in the NFL wearing the G-cap in games lately..

 

It looks a lot better than the 1st one. I'm not fond of those so we'll see if these get more wide use. The bigger question is do they also improve the protection level from previous item?
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Pete

best rule change i would like is to more heavily penalize teams that on third down try to draw the opposing team offside for the following reasons.
1. It's annoying and boring,
2  It rarely works
3. it slows down the game.
4. unsportsmanlike just like using voice inflections ie Either team shall be subject to penalty for attempting to draw an opponent offside if a player makes a motion or voices a signal that, in the judgment of the official, is intended to draw an opponent offside
Dickenson and Dinwiddie do this constantly and teams look foolish

dd

Quote from: Pete on January 25, 2025, 05:14:21 PMbest rule change i would like is to more heavily penalize teams that on third down try to draw the opposing team offside for the following reasons.
1. It's annoying and boring,
2  It rarely works
3. it slows down the game.
4. unsportsmanlike just like using voice inflections ie Either team shall be subject to penalty for attempting to draw an opponent offside if a player makes a motion or voices a signal that, in the judgment of the official, is intended to draw an opponent offside
Dickenson and Dinwiddie do this constantly and teams look foolish
Teams have to burn a timeout when they don't draw the other team offside, so there is a consequence to this high school move. Seriously, you don't think everyone on the defense knows not to jump offside on a 3rd down gamble!!

TecnoGenius

Quote from: dd on January 26, 2025, 10:36:35 PMTeams have to burn a timeout when they don't draw the other team offside, so there is a consequence to this high school move. Seriously, you don't think everyone on the defense knows not to jump offside on a 3rd down gamble!!

No they don't; they usually run the offside trick and take a timecount.  In a kicking situation it has zero cost because they do it when the extra 5Y wouldn't matter.  In some cases they'd rather take the 5Y because their K or P is too close for optimal performance! (like a FG try from the 3YL)
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TecnoGenius

Quote from: dd on January 24, 2025, 02:59:26 AMcant recall lawlers catch but i believe the rule is your first foot has to come down in bounds, the next foot doesn't matter , at least that's the amateur rule.

I'm talking the same foot, not different feet.

In every single case except one you are in-bounds if you tap your toe in bounds.  The one exception is this strange case where the same foot's heel hits the rail afterwards.
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TecnoGenius

Quote from: Pete on January 25, 2025, 05:14:21 PMbest rule change i would like is to more heavily penalize teams that on third down try to draw the opposing team offside for the following reasons.

I agree, except it's very hard to police.  How do we know they were faking?  What if a team does its normal pre-snap motion and then halts and runs out of time when they were really going to run a play?

Ya, ok, so that's rare and you can usually tell the difference.  For instance: an insane gamble on 3rd down (like 3rd & 4 in FG range) is almost always a fake (unless you're Dave Dickenson).  But it could still happen.

Now if the O gets up and relaxed with 1s left on the clock, that's usually the tell they are faking.  But teams could just learn to keep faking through the clock.  Or you could look for the goofy smiles instead of the normal timecount frustration.  But they could fake that too.

I guess you could try to find a way to punish it just on 3rd down (when it's most used), but unless it's LoD/ToD I don't see how you could punish so it hurts.  Moving them back (or forward, with team B choice?) 5 or 10 or 15 isn't really a problem most times.

The only option I can think of is a team gets only so many (1? 2?) timecounts on 3rd down per game?  After they go over a timecount on 3rd down is LoD/ToD, or maybe they are moved to the C YL.  How many timecounts did WFC take on 3rd down last season?  I bet zero.  So limiting the clown HCs to 1 mulligan would mean we only suffer through 1 a game; and probably 0 because they'd want to keep a real mulligan in their pocket.

And yes, we all know which HCs are clowns that try this nonsense every game.  However, I think it was TOR who managed to actually get one of our guys O/S on it in the last 2 years (Wilson??) -- I'm still miffed at that one.
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Jesse

Quote from: Pete on January 25, 2025, 05:14:21 PMbest rule change i would like is to more heavily penalize teams that on third down try to draw the opposing team offside for the following reasons.
1. It's annoying and boring,
2  It rarely works
3. it slows down the game.
4. unsportsmanlike just like using voice inflections ie Either team shall be subject to penalty for attempting to draw an opponent offside if a player makes a motion or voices a signal that, in the judgment of the official, is intended to draw an opponent offside
Dickenson and Dinwiddie do this constantly and teams look foolish

I don't really see any reason to penalize this, tbh.
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TecnoGenius

Quote from: Jesse on January 27, 2025, 11:02:38 AMI don't really see any reason to penalize this, tbh.

It does waste about 60 sec of TV time, and so "slows down the game" which is always the big complaint against the CFL/TSN, etc.

It also looks goofy and lame, with the O backing out of the fake with 3s left and everyone on O laughing, HC smirking, and the D pointing and yelling.  It adds no value.
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There are 3 stats that the CFL currently doesn't track that are under consideration. All three have been programmed into the Genius stats system but currently turned off.

1. Half Sacks - last tracked by the CFL in 1984, the half sack is once again being considered. A half sack would only be applied in situations where two players are equally deserving of a sack. I believe there is a very good chance we see this in 2025.

Note: the NFL rule book allows for a half sack to be awarded to 3 players if they all contributed to a sack. This will not be the case in the CFL

2. Tackle Assists - the CFL is considering tackle assist as a stat. A tackle assist would only be awarded in situations where 2 players are equally involved in a tackle. The draw back to this stat is that the Genius system was programmed for NCAA where tackle assists get full value as tackles. This stat would be more likely to be adopted if the system followed the NFL rules where tackle assists are a separate stat.

3. QB Pressures - QB Pressures was a CFL stat for one season (2017) then got killed after one week in 2018. With PFF providing this stat, there are requests for the CFL to follow suit. Due to some silly reasons (that I won't discuss here) I don't see this one happening soon.
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Jesse

Would like to see all of those included.
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Jockitch

Personally have always wanted to see the CFL add more seconds between plays. Such as going to 25 seconds which gives teams a bit more opportunity to call audibles, have less appearances of disorganization and of course play calling from the OC
Not to mention the Defence using that extra few seconds

At the end of a game, the fans shouldn't be griping that they got extra cold due to added time possibly used
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TecnoGenius

Quote from: Stats Junkie on February 02, 2025, 02:53:59 AM2. Tackle Assists - the CFL is considering tackle assist as a stat. A tackle assist would only be awarded in situations where 2 players are equally involved in a tackle. The draw back to this stat is that the Genius system was programmed for NCAA where tackle assists get full value as tackles. This stat would be more likely to be adopted if the system followed the NFL rules where tackle assists are a separate stat.

What would constitute an assist?  Like being in the way / corralling a player back towards the final tackler?  Or physically touching/slowing but not bringing down?
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TecnoGenius

Quote from: Jockitch on February 02, 2025, 05:59:52 PMPersonally have always wanted to see the CFL add more seconds between plays. Such as going to 25 seconds which gives teams a bit more opportunity to call audibles, have less appearances of disorganization and of course play calling from the OC

Ya, but the CFL stops the clock much of the time already.  If you watch the time between plays, there's really not much difference between NFL and CFL.  We just achieve it differently.

If they added more time to our 20s playclock, it might result in crazy delays between plays compared to the NFL.
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On a different note. Are we mistakenly going to use the stupid NFL kickoff rule.

TecnoGenius

Quote from: DM83 on February 05, 2025, 08:56:15 PMOn a different note. Are we mistakenly going to use the stupid NFL kickoff rule.

For the love of all that is holy I hope not!  I'm seeing that for the first time as I tune into the NFL post-season (the only NFL I watch all year).  It's horrible!  Just as hokey and lame as the XFL or AAF or whatever league dreamed it up.

And it doesn't seem to be helping anyhow?  I saw a blocker get blown up anyways, thought I don't remember the game.

Our KO returns really don't result in too many injuries.  I think that huge blowup late '23 is the last big one.
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theaardvark

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No need for NFL KO rules.  We have the halo.  If anything, the NFL should adopt our KO rules rather than those USFL type ones.

The only rule I'd love to see changed is the onside kick rule.  I love the USFL one, instead of an onside kick, you can take the ball 3rd and 15 at your 35(45).  One shot at getting a penalty or making 15 yards. So much more fun than the on side kick, and much safer... and it frees the team up from practicing a stupid play that is rarely needed.  Practicing a 3rd and 15 play instead of an onside kick play can be much more useful during the game.
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TecnoGenius

Quote from: theaardvark on February 06, 2025, 03:57:09 PMThe only rule I'd love to see changed is the onside kick rule.  I love the USFL one, instead of an onside kick, you can take the ball 3rd and 15 at your 35(45).  One shot at getting a penalty or making 15 yards. So much more fun than the on side kick, and much safer... and it frees the team up from practicing a stupid play that is rarely needed.  Practicing a 3rd and 15 play instead of an onside kick play can be much more useful during the game.

I like our OSK.  I also like how teams are getting creative with the ground kicks.

I'm not sure anyone ever got hurt on our OSKs, except for maybe the guy going up for it and overextending.  There is not enough time or space to get a full run going.

3rd & 15 is too easy.  Remember when BLM was dominating in CGY?  Ya, he'd convert 15 or 20 yards every single time against us.  I don't want a team that is so dominant having a way to basically possess the ball forever.

With our existing OSK it doesn't matter how good a team is: there's a massive amount of luck involved... and the QB quality has nothing to do with it.
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