Can we win 2025 with this coaching staff.

[blue_gold_84]

I truly think we do not see November with Buck.

Eh, it wouldn't surprise anyone if that were to happen. My concern is him putting together yet another lousy gameplan. On home field. And the Bombers lose. Again.

I couldn't stomach another GC loss because of a neutered and unprepared offensive showing. Much less one at PAS.

[theaardvark]

It's unfortunate because he has had great success in the past. Time has passed him by it appears. There is no clear replacement that comes to mind and that is an issue. I suggested a 2nd set of eyes in a consultant role. That might be an option but no one comes to mind for that either.

At some point it's time to move on even if it's a temporary downgrade. We spend a ton of money on our offence, possibly the most we've ever spent. Yes we lost some key players early but at the end of the season we were generally fairly healthy on offence.

We spent disproportionately on O talent these past few years, with declining returns.

Not sure that time has passed Buck by, more like it has caught up with him.  He rode the Lapo playbook as long as he could, and his playbook and gameplans have succeeded only when the players played above their heads and made Buck look good.  And with the talent he has been presented, that was the case most of the time.

His complete failure to adjust in game has been tragic, especially these past three championship games.  The moment a wrench gets tossed into the works, chaos.  Zach's injury should have meant buckling down and getting simple, and using the best weapon you have.  Instead, it was interception alley.  17-13 when the injury happened, so lets hand them the ball over and over.

[Blue In BC]

We spent disproportionately on O talent these past few years, with declining returns.

Not sure that time has passed Buck by, more like it has caught up with him.  He rode the Lapo playbook as long as he could, and his playbook and gameplans have succeeded only when the players played above their heads and made Buck look good.  And with the talent he has been presented, that was the case most of the time.

His complete failure to adjust in game has been tragic, especially these past three championship games.  The moment a wrench gets tossed into the works, chaos.  Zach's injury should have meant buckling down and getting simple, and using the best weapon you have.  Instead, it was interception alley.  17-13 when the injury happened, so lets hand them the ball over and over.

Offences usually see the most money spent by nature of QB, OL and receivers as the big $$ earners. We sure didn't get our bang for the money.

[theaardvark]

Side note. 

Did Mace cost the Blue Bombers the GC?

If Buck gets the Rider HC job, do we have a different 2024?

Did Buck not getting the Riders job affect his 2024?  His game plan obviously changed, was he swinging for the fences to prove himself?

[Blue In BC]

Side note. 

Did Mace cost the Blue Bombers the GC?

If Buck gets the Rider HC job, do we have a different 2024?

Did Buck not getting the Riders job affect his 2024?  His game plan obviously changed, was he swinging for the fences to prove himself?

An interesting question but one that can't be answered. My guess is no but it's based on not knowing who the replacement might have been.

Could just as easily suggest Buck as HC in Regina beats us during the season and / or in the WDF.

It's essentially the same question today if he moves to BC or elsewhere. Who are our potential replacement candidates if we choose to move on or he does.

[markf]

"Buck got us to the Grey Cup."


It was not the Buck, Zach, and the offence that got the team to the championship this year.

The team was at or near the bottom on offence. a couple of good games. and Brady.

league best defence, got the team to the Grey Cup.

not all on Buck though.

putting in a qb who cant hold the ball, and calling long passes is hard to grasp.

O'Shea could have overridden that. why didnt he?

[blue_gold_84]

The old adage rings true: defense wins championships.

[Blue In BC]

The old adage rings true: defense wins championships.

Except we had the best one in 2024 and it didn't.

[dd]

Pierce going to the Lions as HC makes total sense given his playing history there, him knowing the franchise and city and their fan base knowing him and the success he's had here. I'd say he'd be the front runner there.

[blue_gold_84]

Except we had the best one in 2024 and it didn't.

I meant on any given Grey Cup Sunday, the best defense wins. This past Sunday was no exception.

The Argonauts defense feasted on a poorly prepared offense.

[Blue In BC]

I meant on any given Grey Cup Sunday, the best defense wins. This past Sunday was no exception.

The Argonauts defense feasted on a poorly prepared offense.

Fair. The advantage always goes to a well prepared talented offence that executes. That wasn't us in the Grey Cup this year.

[markf]

Except we had the best one in 2024 and it didn't.

can't win if your offence cant score,  now matter how good the D is. eventually even a lame offence like the Argos had, is going to score.


Although I  thought a few times during games this season "we need a pick six to win this game"

[Blue In BC]

can't win if your offence cant score,  now matter how good the D is. eventually even a lame offence like the Argos had, is going to score.


Although I  thought a few times during games this season "we need a pick six to win this game"

Of course. Football takes all 3 facets to play well. A superior offence or defence gives you an advantage but the other part of the team has to not be a liability.

[TrueBlue4]

New poster on this forum.

Another disappointing end to the year.

Have been thinking about who to blame for the GC losses the last 3 years. I know by the posts alot of people are blaming Buck. I am not here to suggest that he hasn't played a role in those losses but then I also think that all the coaches and players do as well.

Last year our D didn't stop Montreal in the last minute, the year before a blocked field goal (although I don't think it would have been good even if not blocked) those are the plays that stand out but it is a 60 minute game and coaches have game plans and players have to execute those plays. We haven't done that in 3 years unfortunately.

I'm not ready to throw any of our coaches under the bus yet even if I don't like their calls ie. 3 man fronts on D and not giving Brady more running plays especially when Wilson went in. However on that note the pass play to Lawler in the end zone was a good call because Lawler was open and it would have been a TD had the pass been better - to me that's execution not a bad play call.

I know some will say Wilson hadn't thrown a pass all year and that is a valid point but I do agree with O'Shea that if they are on the roster they are there because the coaches believe these players can help the team win.

In my opinion I don't believe a coaching change at OC at this time is the way to go but I trust those in charge to make that decision.

Can't wait for next season already.

[Blue In BC]

New poster on this forum.

Another disappointing end to the year.

Have been thinking about who to blame for the GC losses the last 3 years. I know by the posts alot of people are blaming Buck. I am not here to suggest that he hasn't played a role in those losses but then I also think that all the coaches and players do as well.

Last year our D didn't stop Montreal in the last minute, the year before a blocked field goal (although I don't think it would have been good even if not blocked) those are the plays that stand out but it is a 60 minute game and coaches have game plans and players have to execute those plays. We haven't done that in 3 years unfortunately.

I'm not ready to throw any of our coaches under the bus yet even if I don't like their calls ie. 3 man fronts on D and not giving Brady more running plays especially when Wilson went in. However on that note the pass play to Lawler in the end zone was a good call because Lawler was open and it would have been a TD had the pass been better - to me that's execution not a bad play call.

I know some will say Wilson hadn't thrown a pass all year and that is a valid point but I do agree with O'Shea that if they are on the roster they are there because the coaches believe these players can help the team win.

In my opinion I don't believe a coaching change at OC at this time is the way to go but I trust those in charge to make that decision.

Can't wait for next season already.

Welcome. You're right that the fault isn't only on Buck. Everything from recruitment not finding better DL and a receiver that would do better than Wheatfall in 2024. I think Wheatfall might succeed next year, but he as a liability for most of this season.

Same issue with our returner not able or willing to retain Grant. That still boggles the mind why or how that happened.

There were games where we had big leads and Wilson should have had some opportunity to play. He may have looked horrible or not but it would have been a learning experience.

We beat Edmonton 55 - 27 in September. That would have been a good time to let him play. Generally on O'Shea teams the # 2 rarely sees the field regardless of game situation.