Can we win 2025 with this coaching staff.

[markf]

What do the players think about not running the ball, putting Zach in with an injured hand, and then throwing the ball?

Must be very discouraging to work extremely hard all year, play through all the pain, to have all of that work maybe not used in the best possible way.

I read Brady did not come out to meet media after the game.

[Jesse]

What do the players think about not running the ball, putting Zach in with an injured hand, and then throwing the ball?

Must be very discouraging to work extremely hard all year, play through all the pain, to have all of that work maybe not used in the best possible way.

I read Brady did not come out to meet media after the game.

Man, when Terry Wilson went in, in scoring range, and we have him attempt 4 straight passes?

That was just ridiculous.

[Blue In BC]

What do the players think about not running the ball, putting Zach in with an injured hand, and then throwing the ball?

Must be very discouraging to work extremely hard all year, play through all the pain, to have all of that work maybe not used in the best possible way.

I read Brady did not come out to meet media after the game.

Losing is never a good thing when so much has been put into the season of work and effort. That is even more certain in losing the championship game.

Our receivers were open deep very early in the game but unfortunately we didn't complete those efforts. Regardless I thought it would keep TO's LB's off the LOS to open up the run game. It did for awhile.

That didn't happen and McMannis had Oliveria's number often and also Demski as well. I don't know if we even tried a pass to Demski beyond about 12 yards. That shows he was limited and allowed the Argos to defend accordingly.

We ended up with 4 completions of 14 efforts to Lawler and Demski combined for about 45 yards total.

[blue_gold_84]

I don't think you can reasonably make either of these claims.

In the last 5 years, both Winnipeg and Toronto have the same amount of Grey Cup wins. We are not more successful by a wide margin.

And we went 0-3 against Toronto this season. And our record doesn't improve much if you go back to previous seasons. Hard to claim that we didn't lose to a better team.

Couldn't agree more.

Any given Sunday... The Argonauts were the better team this past Sunday, as evidenced by the end result.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

Man, when Terry Wilson went in, in scoring range, and we have him attempt 4 straight passes?

That was just ridiculous.

Well even a raw rookie should be able to complete at least 1/4!  Not blaming Wilson, he looked good and I'd like to see more development take place next season, which means giving him serious game time, not just a seldom used package.

[Jesse]

Well even a raw rookie should be able to complete at least 1/4!  Not blaming Wilson, he looked good and I'd like to see more development take place next season, which means giving him serious game time, not just a seldom used package.

Well, I'll disagree becaue he didn't look good.

But it's not his fault. You should lean on your best players in big moments and we did the opposite. Just out-thinking ourselves.

[theaardvark]

Again, our coaches outcoached themselves.

Passing when you have the MOP in your backfield is an obvious "tendency breaker" move.  If they think you are going to run, and they put in a run defence, then throw.  Right?  No.

Best on best is best.  Let them put their best D on the field against the run, and then put the 7 OL you dressed and a FB on the field and let BO20 mow through the D. And then do it again, and again.

Occasionally, once you've got the run established, drop back and look for an open receiver. 

Buck decided to make this an air game, and ZC8 was tossing plugged nickles, not dimes.  And then he injured his finger and couldn't grip the ball.  So Buck calls pass after pass.

Insanity.

Toronto was 10 point underdogs for a reason.  This game should have been a walk. 

But we outcoached ourselves.  Put the players in a position to lose.  Did everything wrong. 

JY did a good job the D was humming well.  ST's got a block and held Grant to 8.3yds per punt return. 

But our Offence, was offensive. 

I'll say it again, you have the MOP in your backfield, 7 OL dressed, and a FB, and he gets 11 carries, and gets lined up at WR repeatedly?  You have 46 offensive plays, and the MOP gets 11 carries and 3 targets?

This offence is supposed to "go through Brady".  Its why he is paid big bucks, and its why he is MOP.

BO20 is under contract for 2025, but after tha, I don't blame him is he looks elsewhere. 

I was asking Cam Meridith at the poker table last night what he looks for in an OC, what kind of OC he liked, and his response wa simple.  "Give me the ball". 

I wouldn't want to be in the room with BO20 and Buck post game.

[markf]

"Best on best is best.  Let them put their best D on the field against the run, and then put the 7 OL you dressed and a FB on the field and let BO20 mow through the D. And then do it again, and again."

Didnt Sask have the best run D in the league?

seemed to be able to run against them. 

I think trying to be smarter than everyone else is a hallmark of this coaching staff.  Obviously there are Many good things about them, but, this might be a problem issue.


This loss is the bookend for the first O'Shea cup win.

Ticats were heavily favoured, overconfident, and  lost.

[gordo]

Every year he gets out-brained in these cups.

Out-brained sums it up.  I wasn't a fan of making Buck the OC from day one.  Nice guy but I didn't think he had it in him to work out complex game plans and make adjustments on the fly.  But to his credit his game planning was sometimes excellent and he was praised alot for those wins. You don't get head coach consideration if you aren't doing things right sometimes.  But yesterday was for sure a bad day for Buck.

Was a frustrating game to watch, especially that brutal fourth quarter. I agree with all of the obvious points that have been made - how do you not give the ball to Brady, why is Zach throwing the long ball with a bolted on finger and glove.

And yes we were outcoached because Dinwiddie is the best coach and more importantly best offensive mind in the league. He did a masterful job of getting his #2 journeyman QB prepared by putting in a gameplan that would get the most out of what he could bring. And not overthinking it.

A huge part of our problem is the loyalty O'Shea shows to his veteran players and coaches. Would Dinwiddie have rushed Zach back into the game?  More likely he sticks with the #2 guy and THEN JUST FEEDS BRADY. May not win but hell of a lot better than 4 picks and 2 pick sixes.

The loyalty issue goes back to last year's Grey Cup.  Would an injured Bighill and Schoen be dressed AND STARTING for any other coach?  That arguably cost us that game too. I love all Bighill has done but yesterday was happy we had Tony Jones starting. I know Bighill was not close but if he was then O'Shea would have let him hobble out there again.

Wanted to win that one but not upset. Over the last 5 years it's been awesome watching the Bombers dominate, kick the riders in the Banjo Bowls, win Western finals and get to 5 Cups.  As a fan I have more than gotten my money's worth and will be there next year when we win the Cup and cement our dynasty. 

[BBRT]

I sort of wanted to hold off comments until I had the chance to settle down get my thoughts together and really take a hard look at what happened on Sunday.

Number One - Bombers were out coached plain and simple

Number Two - Argos were the better team on Sunday and as much as I hate to say it - Younger!

Number Three - Bombers just too many mistakes and lousy game plan.

What happens in the off season is really hard to say given the one year contacts that players seem to like. However IMHO the bombers need to get younger period!!!

[dd]

Our downfall in the big game was failing to use what got us there--the run game, effectively. 8 carries for our MOP, that's beyond ridiculous. Inexplainable, but more importantly inexcusable. This proves beyond a shadow of a doubt, we need someone else who understands developing an effective offensive game plan better.

[markf]

If the team let Buck go,  (I don't think they will)

who replaces him?

Paul LaPolice?

Anyone else come to mind?

[theaardvark]

If the team let Buck go,  (I don't think they will)

who replaces him?

Paul LaPolice?

Anyone else come to mind?

Lapo is the first and obvious choice if you want to win a Grey Cup at home.  No brainer.

There are many other names to consider, but none that are huge upgrades over Buck, unless there is a good dynamic with OShea. 

But Lapo is the choice if we can make it happen.

This is not to scapegoat Buck, like many teams would do.  It is a recognition that we just are not winning the big games, making the right choices, having the right playbook with him in charge.

Question:

Did Buck's head get screwed up by Pinball signing Bryan Scott?  Did he make some unnecessary and upsetting changes in his playbook due to the potential of "espionage"?

[blue_gold_84]

Question:

Did Buck's head get screwed up by Pinball signing Bryan Scott?  Did he make some unnecessary and upsetting changes in his playbook due to the potential of "espionage"?

Pierce put together similarly putrid gameplans in both GC109 and GC110.

He's his own worst enemy - much like when he was a QB.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

Pierce put together similarly putrid gameplans in both GC109 and GC110.

He's his own worst enemy - much like when he was a QB.

This, I still haven't forgiven Buck for his 2011 loss to the Lions in BC Place, he did nothing in that game.