Can we win 2025 with this coaching staff.

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dd

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Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on November 24, 2024, 04:19:10 AMMike Kelly was a moron but at least he had good one liners for people who made comments like this. And he was wrong about a lot but probably not those zingers. You forgot to start your post with, "I've been a season ticket holder for 5482 billion minutes".
Well then you would have related to Mike Kelly no problem!!

I'll slow it down for you. I m saying, if you can't organize your personnel and count to 12 in the championship game, there s a problem. Don't care who got hurt. A good coach is on top of this, a bad coach isn't, we couldn't field the correct number of players and the players on the field were pissed off, and rightfully so

Sir Blue and Gold

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Quote from: dd on November 24, 2024, 07:30:03 PMWell then you would have related to Mike Kelly no problem!!

I'll slow it down for you. I m saying, if you can't organize your personnel and count to 12 in the championship game, there s a problem. Don't care who got hurt. A good coach is on top of this, a bad coach isn't, we couldn't field the correct number of players and the players on the field were pissed off, and rightfully so

Oooooooh so you're upset about the play. So glad you could clarify.

Pete

Quote from: dd on November 24, 2024, 07:30:03 PMWell then you would have related to Mike Kelly no problem!!

I'll slow it down for you. I m saying, if you can't organize your personnel and count to 12 in the championship game, there s a problem. Don't care who got hurt. A good coach is on top of this, a bad coach isn't, we couldn't field the correct number of players and the players on the field were pissed off, and rightfully so
So your saying we should fire Younger? Hes the coach directly in charge of defense. O'Shea will say its on him but thats O'Shea
Unlike Dickenson who throws everone else under the bus.
Teams would be lined up for younger.

Throw Long Bannatyne

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Quote from: Pete on November 25, 2024, 02:45:52 PMSo your saying we should fire Younger? Hes the coach directly in charge of defense. O'Shea will say its on him but thats O'Shea
Unlike Dickenson who throws everone else under the bus.
Teams would be lined up for younger.

The blame is on any member of the secondary or coaching staff for not calling a time out once they realized there was a problem, O'shea admitted he noticed the confusion on the field before the snap and should have called one himself even though he was not aware they were short. Richie Hall up in the booth also should have noticed and relayed the message to Younger.

dd

No, rather than burn a timeout, we should have just jumped offside before they snapped the ball and touched an O lineman and kill the play. Smacking the ball out of the centre's hand is going to get you a misconduct penalty, so it cost you yardage, and if the player already had a misconduct penalty, he could have been out of the game.

You've got positional coaches and a D coordinator, you mean to tell me all of them didn't realize we were a man short?? Who are the coaching and what are they watching when they call a play??

TrueBlue4

Here are my two cents worth.

I believe we can win with the same coaches. I don't believe that they have forgotten how to coach in one year or over the last 3 Grey Cups.

Have they made mistakes? Yes. Have the players made mistakes? Again Yes!

I think that this year specifically has been a very different/difficult year and I think the coaches and players have to be commended given all the injuries and changes to the personnel. I for one after 8 games wasn't even thinking about playoffs let alone being in the Grey Cup.

That doesn't mean that we shouldn't review what happened and how we as a team can be better next year. I believe this coaching staff will do that.

ModAdmin

Quote from: TrueBlue4 on November 26, 2024, 01:36:21 AMHere are my two cents worth.

I believe we can win with the same coaches. I don't believe that they have forgotten how to coach in one year or over the last 3 Grey Cups.

Have they made mistakes? Yes. Have the players made mistakes? Again Yes!

I think that this year specifically has been a very different/difficult year and I think the coaches and players have to be commended given all the injuries and changes to the personnel. I for one after 8 games wasn't even thinking about playoffs let alone being in the Grey Cup.

That doesn't mean that we shouldn't review what happened and how we as a team can be better next year. I believe this coaching staff will do that.

Agree.  The coaches we have rate among the best in the league.  Do they make mistakes?  Of course.  At inopportune times?  Of course.  But they have reached the Grey cup 5 years in a row with a combination of good management, good coaching,  good players and clearly a very successful record.

Some people it seems are looking for perfection which is not going to happen. It's unfortunate the few losses they have suffered over the 5 hears involve recent championship games, but that doesn't negate the stellar record they built during that time even if the team is getting older.  If fact, they overcame some serious odds this past season and still made it to the big game.  Mistakes are bound to be made and a few have been at critical times.  It happens.  Doesn't make them or individual coaches or players bad decision makers.
"You can't let praise or criticism get to you. It's a weakness to get caught up in either one." - John Wooden

Pete

i believe we can win with this coaching staff but they have to look at themselves and see where they can improve my suggestions would be:
1.Offensively we need to ensure our back up qbs get game time. Even when we had Streveler he was never given a proper chance to run the offense. Wilson threw a grand total of one pass in the regular season
2. We need to make better and quicker decisions on players for example the practice roster why did we keep McGhee, Chris smith, Kody case, Murphy if we were not going to play them. Whitehead wasn't great even at full health, but when he was hurt we didn't think we had anyone good enough to come in
3. the coaches need to make decisions more for the team than any individual player, it may not be easy to tell a vet to sit down cause hes hurt or being ineffective but thats what good coaches do


Tiger

Quote from: ModAdmin on November 19, 2024, 06:40:54 AMThe only weakness on the D is he 3 man front as I see it.  Far too often Arbuckle had way too much time to throw the ball.  Willie was great but Garbutt, Fox and Thomas struggled.

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TyJuan Garbutt has the eighth-best pressure percentage in the league at 11.1%. Mostly with a three man rush. He had a really good first year overall.

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Throw Long Bannatyne

Quote from: Pete on November 26, 2024, 02:07:58 AMi believe we can win with this coaching staff but they have to look at themselves and see where they can improve my suggestions would be:
1.Offensively we need to ensure our back up qbs get game time. Even when we had Streveler he was never given a proper chance to run the offense. Wilson threw a grand total of one pass in the regular season
2. We need to make better and quicker decisions on players for example the practice roster why did we keep McGhee, Chris smith, Kody case, Murphy if we were not going to play them. Whitehead wasn't great even at full health, but when he was hurt we didn't think we had anyone good enough to come in
3. the coaches need to make decisions more for the team than any individual player, it may not be easy to tell a vet to sit down cause hes hurt or being ineffective but thats what good coaches do

All generally true, but they can't lose more games than they win to the Als and the Argos during the regular season and think they will magically best them in the playoffs. It's possible, but not probable. It's Sask. level delusion to believe the Bombers are better than teams they usually lose to. 

They can't stand pat as the 3rd best team, they must implement improvements in order to change the score. Chad Kelly will roar back with a vengeance next season, the Bombers have to get better to stay competitive.

Ridermania

Ottawa RedBlacks given permission by the Bombers to interview Richie Hall for vacant DC Position.

theaardvark

Quote from: Ridermania on November 26, 2024, 04:50:03 PMOttawa RedBlacks given permission by the Bombers to interview Richie Hall for vacant DC Position.

Hate to lose him, but this is JY's D now...  have to wonder if Hall is up for a new challenge...
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