Official Game Day Thread - Grey Cup - Winnipeg & Toronto - Nov. 17, 2024

[TecnoGenius]

Agree or disagree: TOR D seemed to have our O's number from the moment of kickoff in the GC.

It's like they were in our playbook or listening in to helmet calls, eh?

I go back to the Agudosi late-signing last year and the Scott(?) late-signing this year.  Both players signed and dropped within weeks.  Many people tell me it doesn't matter, and they don't spill the book, etc.

But man, it sure looks like TOR knows what our O is gonna do, eh?  Just saying.  Maybe we should try the late-season "player debrief" trick next year.  It only costs a few $K on SMS.  If you're not winning, why not look at what the other guy who's consistently beating you is doing.  What can it hurt?

[bluengold204]

Agree or disagree: TOR D seemed to have our O's number from the moment of kickoff in the GC.

It's like they were in our playbook or listening in to helmet calls, eh?

I go back to the Agudosi late-signing last year and the Scott(?) late-signing this year.  Both players signed and dropped within weeks.  Many people tell me it doesn't matter, and they don't spill the book, etc.

But man, it sure looks like TOR knows what our O is gonna do, eh?  Just saying.  Maybe we should try the late-season "player debrief" trick next year.  It only costs a few $K on SMS.  If you're not winning, why not look at what the other guy who's consistently beating you is doing.  What can it hurt?

Scott was here for like 2 weeks maybe ?  Don't think he memorized our entire playbook in that time...

[Blue In BC]

Scott was here for like 2 weeks maybe ?  Don't think he memorized our entire playbook in that time...

Of course he didn't. It's just Techno's conspiracy idea that this is some magic bullet solution.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

The Brissett 4Q TD where he appears to be wide open... Booth got it wrong, it's BA37's fault, not Nick Taylor.  It's also a function of Kramdi being out and strange substitutions all over the place.  Yes, also we were down 1 man, but in this case it probably didn't matter.

So BA37 gets in front of Brissett and thinks it's a zone sit and he's got it covered.  But Brissett, after a pause, spins off BA and continues to the zone hole.  BA figures Brissett is just a decoy, a nobody NAT who was rarely thrown to.  He doesn't take him seriously and doesn't notice Brissett sneaking deeper.

Since BA had no one else in his zone, he should have followed Brissett to the hole and then Arbuckle either throws it for a possible INT, or he has to scramble or throw the wide-out (well covered by a pinned DB).  In any event, it's probably not a TD.

That play was 100% the TOR braintrust and Brissett executing the feint, and TOR's OL providing time.  Arbuckle was just playing pitch & catch to a wide open REC; nothing special.

You could argue the zone D at that moment was a dumb move by Younger, but we had the injury substitutions causing confusion, so maybe that's the best we could do.  We couldn't get pressure with 4 as TOR had 6 blocking.

Maybe we meant to have 2 FS so Nick could cheat over to that side... who knows.  It was a shambles of a play, but it's unfair to pin it on Taylor like TSN did.

Just wondering, on the Brissett TD wasn't BA in for Kramdi at Dime?

[TecnoGenius]

Just wondering, on the Brissett TD wasn't BA in for Kramdi at Dime?

Yes, so many guys out of position on that one, and so much confusion.  MOS even admitted to as much in the post-game and season-ender.

Kramdi being a NAT really screwed everything up when he was out, because we didn't have like-for-like (another NAT SAM) to just plug & play, so we had to get the NAT elsewhere on the field.

What a gong show.  Still, it's more than a little disturbing MOS/Younger weren't prepared to deal with such an injury in this important game.  No excuse for being short a D player TWICE in a GC game!  Holy smokes.

[TecnoGenius]

Scott was here for like 2 weeks maybe ?  Don't think he memorized our entire playbook in that time...

Cell phone cameras?  Still, just being there for practice and seeing the new wrinkles Buck brings each week, even if only a couple/few...

I love how you guys believe that everyone in the CFL is 100% squeaky clean and no one would ever try inter-team / former-team info-sharing/buying.  15 years ago in F1 a Ferrari guy got wrekt for giving data to McLaren.  Massive scandal in the world's richest sport.  Resulted in insane fines and punishments.

And the MLB signal-stealing scandal a few years back?  And wasn't there a drone-soccer scandal last year?

Heck, it wouldn't even be a "crime" or big deal if a WPG guy got a fat few-weeks' paycheck to "play" for TOR and spill everything he knows.  I don't even think the league would sanction anyone even if they all came out and said that is precisely what they were doing.

TOR's now done it 2 years in a row.  When they do it 3, 4, 5, 6 in a row, will you consider it a possibility then?  On one side there's paranoia, on the other there's naivete.

[Jesse]

Cell phone cameras?  Still, just being there for practice and seeing the new wrinkles Buck brings each week, even if only a couple/few...

I love how you guys believe that everyone in the CFL is 100% squeaky clean and no one would ever try inter-team / former-team info-sharing/buying.  15 years ago in F1 a Ferrari guy got wrekt for giving data to McLaren.  Massive scandal in the world's richest sport.  Resulted in insane fines and punishments.

And the MLB signal-stealing scandal a few years back?  And wasn't there a drone-soccer scandal last year?

Heck, it wouldn't even be a "crime" or big deal if a WPG guy got a fat few-weeks' paycheck to "play" for TOR and spill everything he knows.  I don't even think the league would sanction anyone even if they all came out and said that is precisely what they were doing.

TOR's now done it 2 years in a row.  When they do it 3, 4, 5, 6 in a row, will you consider it a possibility then?  On one side there's paranoia, on the other there's naivete.

Everyone admits it happens. It's the first thing that's asked of any incoming player or coach.

Most just think you are far over-stating the impact it has.

6 months of game film shows way more than any player can share.

[TecnoGenius]

Most just think you are far over-stating the impact it has.

6 months of game film shows way more than any player can share.

So TOR D was just that much better prepared and smart and lucky than our similarly-rated D in the GC... eh?  It's just that simple?  Can't possibly be any inside info helping out or shenanigans?

I can understand TOR D being modestly better prepped and coached for the game, as clearly TOR puts more effort into it than we do... but like twice as good better?  Really?

TOR D did to us in the GC what we did to the much-worse SSK D in the WDF.  Maybe more so.  We had one good series ALL GAME.  One.  (Pity series doesn't count).

If you ask me it looked like TOR had our route/call chart AND tapped into our helmet transmissions.  But that's just me.  Or our O was just that pathetically horrifically awful and useless.  I bet the real answer is somewhere in the middle.

[bluengold204]

So TOR D was just that much better prepared and smart and lucky than our similarly-rated D in the GC... eh?  It's just that simple?  Can't possibly be any inside info helping out or shenanigans?

I can understand TOR D being modestly better prepped and coached for the game, as clearly TOR puts more effort into it than we do... but like twice as good better?  Really?

TOR D did to us in the GC what we did to the much-worse SSK D in the WDF.  Maybe more so.  We had one good series ALL GAME.  One.  (Pity series doesn't count).

If you ask me it looked like TOR had our route/call chart AND tapped into our helmet transmissions.  But that's just me.  Or our O was just that pathetically horrifically awful and useless.  I bet the real answer is somewhere in the middle.

You're out to lunch Techno... Toronto's D didn't just play great against us in the grey cup.  They played great against us all season.  First game we scored 14 points on them and second we scored 11.  They had our number all season well before they pickup Scott for any extra info.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

You're out to lunch Techno... Toronto's D didn't just play great against us in the grey cup.  They played great against us all season.  First game we scored 14 points on them and second we scored 11.  They had our number all season well before they pickup Scott for any extra info.

This is it, the D played well enough to win all the games against the Argos and the Als last season but the O underperformed in every one of them.  It's probably a good thing the OC is being changed, somebody has to get more out of the $600k QB, he has performed below average when facing the tougher teams in recent years.

[TecnoGenius]

You're out to lunch Techno... Toronto's D didn't just play great against us in the grey cup.  They played great against us all season.  First game we scored 14 points on them and second we scored 11.  They had our number all season well before they pickup Scott for any extra info.

What I said explains that too.  It's not just the GC, and it's not just Scott, it's also Agudosi late in '23.  And who knows what other nefarious things they get up to.

They are a garbage organization: swearing and punching at fans, allowing the Kelly abuse, calling fans no-no words in public, signing opponent players for a couple of weeks then cutting them a day after GC.

It could come out that they are literally cheating and it would not surprise me one bit.

[dd]

I get you don't like the Argos, can't say I m too fond of them either, but we have to own why we lost.

Toronto's defense wasn't that great, it was our poor passing game execution that lead to the interceptions and pick sixes. You call a smarter game plan and is designed around completing high percentage passes and not turning the ball over, and there's a different outcome in the grey cup. That's on us, not them. They just took full advantage over our mistakes, our mistakes not their great plays. Yes, they had to intercept the ball, but heck I could have intercepted those passes.

Yes that organization does some classless things but that grey cup loss is on us, not them cheating.