Injury thoughts?

Started by TecnoGenius, November 11, 2024, 10:20:06 PM

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TecnoGenius

How'd we do in the WDF injury-wise?

Demski looked like he twisted an ankle or something.  Hitting the ground like it was bad.  But he walked off and came back and finished the game, even making some plays.  Is this something he could keep playing on that day but will flare up during the week?  Obviously Demski is 100% required for our O.

Noah Hallett got dinged up and was sitting on the turf for a very long time, but walked off.  Didn't see what happened.  Didn't see if he returned.  Who's the next NAT STer up?

Anyone else notice any other injuries?

The "hope they aren't still injured" guys like Kyrie and BA37 looked great and showed no issues whatsoever.

What's the chance Woli is back?  Emperor Clercius has been good for us, but I don't think he got a target in WDF?  We all know Woli will get targets.
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Throw Long Bannatyne

Quote from: TecnoGenius on November 11, 2024, 10:20:06 PMHow'd we do in the WDF injury-wise?

Demski looked like he twisted an ankle or something.  Hitting the ground like it was bad.  But he walked off and came back and finished the game, even making some plays.  Is this something he could keep playing on that day but will flare up during the week?  Obviously Demski is 100% required for our O.

Noah Hallett got dinged up and was sitting on the turf for a very long time, but walked off.  Didn't see what happened.  Didn't see if he returned.  Who's the next NAT STer up?

Anyone else notice any other injuries?

The "hope they aren't still injured" guys like Kyrie and BA37 looked great and showed no issues whatsoever.

What's the chance Woli is back? Emperor Clercius has been good for us, but I don't think he got a target in WDF?  We all know Woli will get targets.


Woli is still listed on the 6-game, so I don't think he'll be back this year. Clercius caught Zach's first completion and wasn't thrown to again.

TecnoGenius

I forgot Kramdi.  He was dinged up on a ST play.  Suits said Chris-Ike friendly-fire, but I'm not sure about that.

I think he did come back in after, though we did see a lot of Griffin.

Hopefully Kramdi is good to go.
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TecnoGenius

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 11, 2024, 11:11:16 PMWoli is still listed on the 6-game, so I don't think he'll be back this year. Clercius caught Zach's first completion and wasn't thrown to again.

It's strange, practice reports like a month ago were reporting Woli running around.  (Not sure if in uniform or not.)  But the general feel was he was getting close.

I guess Woli must have had a setback?  Does anyone even know what was wrong with him (besides "lower body"?).  It wasn't a season-ender, yet it seems to have ended his season.

I see most of the IR guys on the sidelines for games (Strev, Schoen, Biggie, etc), but I don't recall seeing Woli for ages.  Weird.
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Jesse

Quote from: TecnoGenius on November 12, 2024, 01:28:15 AMIt's strange, practice reports like a month ago were reporting Woli running around.  (Not sure if in uniform or not.)  But the general feel was he was getting close.

I guess Woli must have had a setback?  Does anyone even know what was wrong with him (besides "lower body"?).  It wasn't a season-ender, yet it seems to have ended his season.

I see most of the IR guys on the sidelines for games (Strev, Schoen, Biggie, etc), but I don't recall seeing Woli for ages.  Weird.

Woli was definitely on the sidelines for the WF.

Last time he came back, he didn't get through a half. I hope he's just going on ice until next season.
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Blue In BC

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 11, 2024, 11:11:16 PMWoli is still listed on the 6-game, so I don't think he'll be back this year. Clercius caught Zach's first completion and wasn't thrown to again.

IDK. Transactions had him moved to 1 game IR last week but roster shows him on 6 game IR. Today's transactions show those deleted from the PR last week added back to PR.

What they do or why in some of these transactions is strange.
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Jesse

Well, knowing MOS, Woli and anyone else close will be back on the roster to get their name etched on the Cup in the event of a win.

Hope it doesn't bite us in the butt too hard.
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Blue In BC

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Quote from: Jesse on November 12, 2024, 01:29:37 PMWell, knowing MOS, Woli and anyone else close will be back on the roster to get their name etched on the Cup in the event of a win.

Hope it doesn't bite us in the butt too hard.

That's pretty cynical. However I don't think we have a bunch of players that are close. Woli might be a long shot and we'll see if he's practising this week. As discussed last week about possible changes, he doesn't have to start but could be the rotation receiver. He's a very good blocker. Who he might replace might depend on injuries rather than position.

Noah Hallett was nicked and might come off the roster this week as an example.

Do players on IR get game checks for the Grey Cup and their name on the trophy if the team wins?  As far as I know there is not longer an SMS charge on IR post regular season?
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TecnoGenius

Quote from: Blue In BC on November 12, 2024, 03:17:59 PMDo players on IR get game checks for the Grey Cup and their name on the trophy if the team wins?  As far as I know there is not longer an SMS charge on IR post regular season?

That's what I was asking!  No one seems to know?

My guesses are:

rings: AR/IR/PR
cup names: AR/IR
playoff money: AR/IR

Though IR may be excluded from the last 2?  Besides "protection", there must be a reason to stack guys on the 1GIR instead of the PR come this time of year?
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Jesse

Quote from: Blue In BC on November 12, 2024, 03:17:59 PMThat's pretty cynical. However I don't think we have a bunch of players that are close. Woli might be a long shot and we'll see if he's practising this week. As discussed last week about possible changes, he doesn't have to start but could be the rotation receiver. He's a very good blocker. Who he might replace might depend on injuries rather than position.

Noah Hallett was nicked and might come off the roster this week as an example.

Do players on IR get game checks for the Grey Cup and their name on the trophy if the team wins?  As far as I know there is not longer an SMS charge on IR post regular season?

SMS is over with.

I do not know if any players not on the AR get the play-off cheques. I doubt it, but no idea.
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Jesse

Quote from: TecnoGenius on November 12, 2024, 04:21:40 PMThat's what I was asking!  No one seems to know?

My guesses are:

rings: AR/IR/PR
cup names: AR/IR
playoff money: AR/IR

Though IR may be excluded from the last 2?  Besides "protection", there must be a reason to stack guys on the 1GIR instead of the PR come this time of year?


Cup names are only players on the AR.
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Blue In BC

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Quote from: Jesse on November 12, 2024, 04:32:47 PMCup names are only players on the AR.

That's a bit harsh if that's how things work. I understand a team may have 20+ players on their IR at the end of the season and some may have missed the entire season. We have 16 at the moment and all of them played in at least 1 game. Bighill played 10. Cole played 11 and Woods played 17 games.

There is a fine line between name on the Grey Cup, play off money, rings or SMS. I say SMS because some players were added to IR for the last regular season game. Whether they were actually injured is a little iffy.

It doesn't seem fair that players that have played more than half the season don't get included for money. I can understand that if you didn't actually dress for the game then no name on cup or ring. That seems logical IMO.

Hard to say how exactly this should change but that's another discussion after the season.

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Jesse

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Quote from: Blue In BC on November 12, 2024, 04:43:12 PMThat's a bit harsh if that's how things work. I understand a team may have 20+ players on their IR at the end of the season and some may have missed the entire season. We have 16 at the moment and all of them played in at least 1 game. Bighill played 10. Cole played 11 and Woods played 17 games.

There is a fine line between name on the Grey Cup, play off money, rings or SMS. I say SMS because some players were added to IR for the last regular season game. Whether they were actually injured is a little iffy.

It doesn't seem fair that players that have played more than half the season don't get included for money. I can understand that if you didn't actually dress for the game then no name on cup or ring. That seems logical IMO.

Hard to say how exactly this should change but that's another discussion after the season.



Play off money appears to be for AR and IR, but not PR.

48 names are written on the Cup. The 44 team active roster and 4 coaches.
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Throw Long Bannatyne

Quote from: Blue In BC on November 12, 2024, 04:43:12 PMThat's a bit harsh if that's how things work. I understand a team may have 20+ players on their IR at the end of the season and some may have missed the entire season. We have 16 at the moment and all of them played in at least 1 game. Bighill played 10. Cole played 11 and Woods played 17 games.

There is a fine line between name on the Grey Cup, play off money, rings or SMS. I say SMS because some players were added to IR for the last regular season game. Whether they were actually injured is a little iffy.

It doesn't seem fair that players that have played more than half the season don't get included for money. I can understand that if you didn't actually dress for the game then no name on cup or ring. That seems logical IMO.

Hard to say how exactly this should change but that's another discussion after the season.

Inscribing so many players names on the GC is a bit silly, as very few people actually see them and eventually space will run out.  It's time for championship trophies in all leagues to be backed up by a digital counterpart that can provide a complete background on all players and the history of their season in a time capsule format accessed by a simple QR code that can be scanned with a cell phone.


Blue In BC

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 12, 2024, 05:13:13 PMInscribing so many players names on the GC is a bit silly, as very few people actually see them and eventually space will run out.  It's time for championship trophies in all leagues to be backed up by a digital counterpart that can provide a complete background on all players and the history of their season in a time capsule format accessed by a simple QR code that can be scanned with a cell phone.



Yes and no. We're talking a small number of player that might qualify. In the case of the Bombers it's 3 players this year.

Again I was suggesting those players should qualify for " pay " but neither rings or name on trophy.
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Blueforlife

Mods please merge this with my injury thread

Blue In BC

Nothing from latest practice reports from either team? Mostly curious to see if Woli has a chance to play.
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blue_or_die

Quote from: Jesse on November 12, 2024, 02:36:59 AMWoli was definitely on the sidelines for the WF.

Last time he came back, he didn't get through a half. I hope he's just going on ice until next season.

Me too, and for a number of reasons.

- Makes sure he's truly 100% for next season
- Doesn't mess up his recovery
- The above is important as he's no longer a spring chicken
- Doesn't compromise our Cup game roster with a non-100% player like we did last year
- Clercius has filled in more than adequately
- The fifth receiver position is hardly a difference maker. If your guy can block and take possession the few times they're called upon, that's all you need. There's only one football to go around.
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Blue In BC

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Quote from: blue_or_die on November 13, 2024, 07:27:54 PMMe too, and for a number of reasons.

- Makes sure he's truly 100% for next season
- Doesn't mess up his recovery
- The above is important as he's no longer a spring chicken
- Doesn't compromise our Cup game roster with a non-100% player like we did last year
- Clercius has filled in more than adequately
- The fifth receiver position is hardly a difference maker. If your guy can block and take possession the few times they're called upon, that's all you need. There's only one football to go around.

You do realize our 5th receiver is Whitehead and he's hardly a blocker. He'd also be doing double duty.

Woli doesn't have to start to be useful which I mentioned several times. I also mentioned that Noah Hallett might out and we'd need another Canadian to add. If not Hallett then who ever is at the bottom of the depth chart.

I think some posters worry too much about whether a player is fully recovered because of last year. Last year we didn't have any healthy bodies to add to the roster. This is not the same problem.

If he's deemed good to go, he's a valuable asset. He's also a potential free agent so worrying about 2025 is a bit premature.

You'd think a player never recovers from an injury. He hasn't played since 9/7 and has missed 10 games.   He is a favourite target for Collaros so yes he is a difference maker and could replace Wheatfall as the starter is some sets.
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Throw Long Bannatyne

Quote from: blue_or_die on November 13, 2024, 07:27:54 PMMe too, and for a number of reasons.

- Makes sure he's truly 100% for next season
- Doesn't mess up his recovery
- The above is important as he's no longer a spring chicken
- Doesn't compromise our Cup game roster with a non-100% player like we did last year
- Clercius has filled in more than adequately
- The fifth receiver position is hardly a difference maker. If your guy can block and take possession the few times they're called upon, that's all you need. There's only one football to go around.

Disagree, Woli is one of the best 5th receivers in the league because he has such a great understanding of what his QB's needs on any given play.  At this point Clercius is filling in as good as he can, blocking and catching on scripted short routes but hasn't yet shown he is good going off script. 

Argos are going to keep a sharp eye on Lawler this game and Demski could use help providing Zach with alternate targets.  If Woli can't go, Lucky might have to step up his game as the rookie crew just are not there yet.

Sir Blue and Gold

I'll take Clercius. He's just as capable of having a big game.

Jesse

Quote from: Blue In BC on November 13, 2024, 07:59:00 PMYou do realize our 5th receiver is Whitehead and he's hardly a blocker. He'd also be doing double duty.

Woli doesn't have to start to be useful which I mentioned several times. I also mentioned that Noah Hallett might out and we'd need another Canadian to add. If not Hallett then who ever is at the bottom of the depth chart.

I think some posters worry too much about whether a player is fully recovered because of last year. Last year we didn't have any healthy bodies to add to the roster. This is not the same problem.

If he's deemed good to go, he's a valuable asset. He's also a potential free agent so worrying about 2025 is a bit premature.

You'd think a player never recovers from an injury. He hasn't played since 9/7 and has missed 10 games.   He is a favourite target for Collaros so yes he is a difference maker and could replace Wheatfall as the starter is some sets.

Our 5th receiver is Wheatfall who Lucky sometimes comes in for, but mostly is just an in-game injury replacement.

Woli's spot is being covered by Clercius. I'd much rather see Clercius keep doing what he's been doing all rather rather than risk an injured WOli being forced in.
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Blue In BC

Quote from: Jesse on November 13, 2024, 08:45:55 PMOur 5th receiver is Wheatfall who Lucky sometimes comes in for, but mostly is just an in-game injury replacement.

Woli's spot is being covered by Clercius. I'd much rather see Clercius keep doing what he's been doing all rather rather than risk an injured WOli being forced in.

Our receivers are capable of playing more than one spot. Regardless I said that " if " Woli was healthy and that he could be rotated in and not necessarily need to start.

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blue_or_die

Yeah, you guys are overvaluing that field side WR spot too much. I love Woli but I would say we have been just fine with our receiver core at this point in time. We aren't "just not there yet" anymore.

All that said, I hope Woli is a Bomber for life. He's definitely a fan favourite..
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Throw Long Bannatyne

Very worrisome, both Woli and Demski did not practice today, Zach needs veteran targets.

https://www.cfl.ca/2024/11/13/cfl-injury-reports-111th-grey-cup/

TecnoGenius

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 12, 2024, 05:13:13 PMInscribing so many players names on the GC is a bit silly, as very few people actually see them and eventually space will run out.

The problem there is I bet a ton of players play their butts off to be "immortal", with their name on the cup.  If you move the names just to the interwebs, there's one less incentive.

If it's AR + 4 coaches, I can live with that.  IR or demoted to PR: sucks to be you I guess (harsh!).

I feel really sorry for Biggie.  Now we know why Biggie/Schoen fought so hard to get back for the '23 cup.

I bet the coaches are secretly hated by some if you're an AR dude for the last third and then get bumped to PR/IR for the cup!  Ouch.
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TecnoGenius

Quote from: Blueforlife on November 12, 2024, 07:05:14 PMMods please merge this with my injury thread

Sorry B4L.  I have no idea why I didn't see/read yours before starting this, I usually read everything! (Reading yours now.)  My bad, I try really hard to not do that.  Merging makes sense.
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TecnoGenius

Quote from: Jesse on November 12, 2024, 04:32:47 PMCup names are only players on the AR.

Thanks Jesse!

So my revised table is:

rings: AR/IR/PR
cup names: AR
playoff money: AR/IR

Looking more accurate?

I wonder if the team somehow compensates dudes like Cole and Kelly who play quite a bit and get yanked right at the last minute?

Might create animosity towards Nick Taylor who just parachutes in and gets all the gibs?  Boy, managing all of this stuff must suck!
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TecnoGenius

Quote from: Blue In BC on November 13, 2024, 07:59:00 PMHe is a favourite target for Collaros so yes he is a difference maker and could replace Wheatfall as the starter is some sets.

Does Woli make that jumping instant-hit catch Wheatfall made in the WDF?  Serious question.  I think, yes?  But not always?  Then again, Wheatfall might whiff at that 7 times out of 10 too.

If Noah is gone to IR, you could dress both Emperor and Woli, with Woli starting and the other backing up the entire REC corps.  I'm not sure we'll need the extra manpower on D... TOR O ain't gonna do much except run.  Noah isn't going to help there.  Maybe dressing both Cole and Ayers would though!

If Woli's legit 100%, not '23 Schoen 60% 100%, you dress Woli.
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TecnoGenius

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 14, 2024, 01:10:52 AMVery worrisome, both Woli and Demski did not practice today, Zach needs veteran targets.

Demski dinged up the ankle or something bad enough to frustratingly punch the ground in the WDF.  Not surprised he's a no-practice.  Unless that thing swelled up 3X the size over the week, you pump in some needles and he starts.

The thing with having the vets on field is TOR must respect them all.  Wheatie and Whitehead they'll mostly just ignore, paying lip service to the coverage unless they prove otherwise (i.e. deadly/TDs).
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Blueforlife

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Quote from: TecnoGenius on November 14, 2024, 04:10:25 AMSorry B4L.  I have no idea why I didn't see/read yours before starting this, I usually read everything! (Reading yours now.)  My bad, I try really hard to not do that.  Merging makes sense.
I am not sure why the mods are not merging them

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Blue In BC

Quote from: TecnoGenius on November 14, 2024, 04:06:21 AMThe problem there is I bet a ton of players play their butts off to be "immortal", with their name on the cup.  If you move the names just to the interwebs, there's one less incentive.

If it's AR + 4 coaches, I can live with that.  IR or demoted to PR: sucks to be you I guess (harsh!).

I feel really sorry for Biggie.  Now we know why Biggie/Schoen fought so hard to get back for the '23 cup.

I bet the coaches are secretly hated by some if you're an AR dude for the last third and then get bumped to PR/IR for the cup!  Ouch.

Woli isn't practising so I doubt he's a choice to be made for the game. Demski also isn't practising but I expect he'll be good to go. Otherwise we're very thin at receiver without making a ratio change as well.

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Sir Blue and Gold

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 14, 2024, 01:10:52 AMVery worrisome, both Woli and Demski did not practice today, Zach needs veteran targets.

https://www.cfl.ca/2024/11/13/cfl-injury-reports-111th-grey-cup/

Demski out would make a difference. He finished the game though and I would expect him to be fine. Not sure Zach needs more "veteran" targets. Clercius vs Wolitarsky - at this point in the year everyone knows the playbook and concepts. Give me healthy players at top speed. That's what will win on Sunday.

Blue In BC

Kelly and Noah Hallett are also nicked and not practising at the moment. We don't have an extensive number of Canadians that could dress if they can't.

Murphy or Charbonneau would be the most likely to dress if needed. Dressing Murphy would provide some in game injury depth at receiver. Demski might be limited but he's a tough player.

No doubt there are several players that are not 100% and might sit out if this was mid season. Limited roster size and ratio implications make that difficult.

There doesn't seem to be any other questions other than how healthy is Demski even though we think he will play.

K. Wilson and Alexander got through the game without any further issues. Hopefully not that they have a game back under their belts, they are more involved on the weekend.

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Throw Long Bannatyne

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Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on November 14, 2024, 01:32:21 PMDemski out would make a difference. He finished the game though and I would expect him to be fine. Not sure Zach needs more "veteran" targets. Clercius vs Wolitarsky - at this point in the year everyone knows the playbook and concepts. Give me healthy players at top speed. That's what will win on Sunday.

I'd estimate half of Woli's receptions have come from unplanned scrambles, Clercius, Wheatfall and Wilson have not acquired that knowledge yet or the solid connection with Zach.  Clercius is the most valuable of the 3 for this game because of his run blocking ability, low man would be Wheatfall.

Worry about Demski is he was less than 100% for last year's GC and they'll need a huge game from him without Schoen or Woli.

Blueforlife

Demski is the heart of the club and would be missed for his play at receiver, runs, blocking and vetern pressence.  He knows it all and does it all.  Lots less to scheme for when he is out.  An exceptional talent.  I expect he will play at about 75%.

Blue In BC

Quote from: Blueforlife on November 14, 2024, 08:07:13 PMDemski is the heart of the club and would be missed for his play at receiver, runs, blocking and vetern pressence.  He knows it all and does it all.  Lots less to scheme for when he is out.  An exceptional talent.  I expect he will play at about 75%.

Sounds about right. Argos are not unscathed either. Polk is not healthy and he's been their best receiver. We are healthier than we were last year at this time.

The biggest loss a team can have is probably their starting QB and that's what the Argos are dealing with this year. At least they have a veteran as # 2 but that's not the same.

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Blueforlife

Demski practiced.  I would rest him now.

Sir Blue and Gold

Quote from: Blueforlife on November 15, 2024, 12:32:47 AMDemski practiced.  I would rest him now.

The Bombers aren't practicing today so everyone gets rest.

Blueforlife


Throw Long Bannatyne

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on November 15, 2024, 12:01:19 PMThe Bombers aren't practicing today so everyone gets rest.

Was practice #3 the walkthrough? Seems a bit early for that.

Blue In BC

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 15, 2024, 06:47:27 PMWas practice #3 the walkthrough? Seems a bit early for that.

I think they also practised on Tuesday.

Friday's IR report shows Kelly as OUT. Noah Hallett as questionable but I expect him to play on ST's.

The most interesting thing I read was that Woli was listed as limited in practice. If the team wasn't expecting that he had a chance to play, why would he practice at all.

Technically we're down a Canadian due to Kelly being out. So is Woli going to dress for the game as a back up?
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gobombersgo

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 15, 2024, 06:47:27 PMWas practice #3 the walkthrough? Seems a bit early for that.

From Derek Taylor:

Friday at the Grey Cup...Bombers are not practicing today. They practiced Tues, Wed, Thurs and take today off before tomorrow's walkthrough.

By my count it's the 5th time they've used this schedule this season: they are 4-0 in the previous weeks.

Blueforlife

I would play Adams or Woods but only if 100%

I would sit Woli as he won't be ready imo and I would let Demski play if he was at least 70%

Gut (and my season ticket buddy) tells me to leave the lineup as is, if it ain't broke don't fix  it!

Tell us what you would do!

Who would you add to the roster if Demski can't go? My choice would be Case as he could also cover for Lucky.

Pigskin

I think we already have enough injury and Grey Cup threads. Demski already announced he is good to go.
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dd

Demski's good to go and no one else on the IR matters at this point, go with what got you there

Pigskin

 Strev17 moving well. Spoke with him last night. Sounds like he is ahead of schedule.
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TecnoGenius

Quote from: Pigskin on November 15, 2024, 11:27:53 PMStrev17 moving well. Spoke with him last night. Sounds like he is ahead of schedule.

Put him out there Sunday!  He's played with worse!

;)  ;)  ;)  ;)  ;)
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TecnoGenius

Is Cole hurt?  If he's not hurt, I would see if we can find a way to get him on.  That would probably mean no Ayers.  I'd say whoever is better at the run is who you want out there Sunday.

I also question Nick Taylor.  Did he do enough in the WDF?  What was his stat line?  Anyone have an opinion of his effectiveness that day?  At least he didn't get fooled by the fake punt.

Maybe Nick is there more for BA37 insurance.

If you really wanted Cole on there, taking Nick off would be a way to do it.  I have no opinion either way as I didn't study what Nick did in WDF.  If Nick is 100% healthy, that's a bonus for sure.
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Blueforlife

I go Taylor over Cole.  4 tackles.  Good insurance for BA.

Pete

Quote from: Blueforlife on November 16, 2024, 01:17:16 AMI go Taylor over Cole.  4 tackles.  Good insurance for BA.
Agree, with Kelly out we need Taylor to back up dbs/safety

TecnoGenius

Who gets Noah's spot?  Based on the injury report, he's done for the year, and my guess is done as a Bomber.  He's literally the most-injured guy we've had in a long time.
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Blueforlife

Quote from: TecnoGenius on November 16, 2024, 01:25:51 AMWho gets Noah's spot?  Based on the injury report, he's done for the year, and my guess is done as a Bomber.  He's literally the most-injured guy we've had in a long time.
Great question, not sure! Bridges?

Blue In BC

Quote from: Blueforlife on November 16, 2024, 01:45:13 AMGreat question, not sure! Bridges?

That's a ratio change so not likely unless he replaces Taylor. If we lose 1 or 2 Canadian DB's we'll need Ayers on ST's.

Getting Woods or Adams on the AR comes at the cost of Fox? I'm not sure who is the most healthy. Fox seemed to be higher up the depth chart at this point but we're playing a different team and the need might change.

IMO any changes will be some domino impact as the result of two Canadians that probably won't play. There was a comment that Noah Hallett is finished for the year so it appears the Canadian depth will change.

It's a problem but it's not as bad as 2023.
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Blueforlife

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Quote from: Blue In BC on November 16, 2024, 02:49:53 AMThat's a ratio change so not likely unless he replaces Taylor. If we lose 1 or 2 Canadian DB's we'll need Ayers on ST's.

Getting Woods or Adams on the AR comes at the cost of Fox? I'm not sure who is the most healthy. Fox seemed to be higher up the depth chart at this point but we're playing a different team and the need might change.

IMO any changes will be some domino impact as the result of two Canadians that probably won't play. There was a comment that Noah Hallett is finished for the year so it appears the Canadian depth will change.

It's a problem but it's not as bad as 2023.
I am not sure how well Fox played in the final but guessing he did well. 2 DT.

Quote from: Pigskin on November 15, 2024, 11:14:22 PMI think we already have enough injury and Grey Cup threads. Demski already announced he is good to go.
Disagree it's not an injury thread and people are having a good convo here.

Blue In BC

Where is the depth chart for the Grey Cup? It's usually out by now.
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Jesse

Quote from: Blue In BC on November 16, 2024, 04:29:39 PMWhere is the depth chart for the Grey Cup? It's usually out by now.

Letting woli run a few laps to give him one more shot at playing tomorrow.
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Ok. I found the depth chart on Facebook. Kelly and Hallett out. Charbonneau and Weitz ( global ) in as the alternative for a Canadian roster spot.

Charbonneau has played on ST's this year and done ok. Weitz only played a couple of games when Canadian injuries were an issue earlier. He was invisible but that might not have been a bad thing. I have no real insight on what if anything he added etc.

Obviously the decision was made to not add Woli. I'm ok with that but still think we're thin at receiver and we have 2 that are less than 100%. Doesn't bode well for Murphy to not be considered.

I suppose MCI or Augustine are next men up if we have some hiccups at receiver. Whitehead will be the 1st to rotate in and / or be injury replacement.

Hopefully we find a away to use Wheatfall more often to surprise the Argos?
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Interesting that Adam Bighill has not given up on his football playing days.  He is still an asset to the Bombers and I wish him well.
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Quote from: ModAdmin on November 16, 2024, 05:12:45 PMInteresting that Adam Bighill has not given up on his football playing days.  He is still an asset to the Bombers and I wish him well.

Sure. If we can a a way to retain him that fits into the SMS, ratio and role to be played. It's not impossible that he sticks as the MLB and Jones slids back out to WIL. Bighill's SMS was not that high compared to others but it's worth noting.

Have to find money to keep Ford and Holm. 4 of our OL, Lawler and Schoen are also potential free agents. This could go a bunch of different directions.

Generally I think we might have some 2024 SMS left the way the season played out. So we'll see if they have some early signing in Dec to lock up a couple of players.
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Quote from: Blue In BC on November 16, 2024, 05:11:48 PMOk. I found the depth chart on Facebook. Kelly and Hallett out. Charbonneau and Weitz ( global ) in as the alternative for a Canadian roster spot.

Charbonneau has played on ST's this year and done ok. Weitz only played a couple of games when Canadian injuries were an issue earlier. He was invisible but that might not have been a bad thing. I have no real insight on what if anything he added etc.

Obviously the decision was made to not add Woli. I'm ok with that but still think we're thin at receiver and we have 2 that are less than 100%. Doesn't bode well for Murphy to not be considered.

I suppose MCI or Augustine are next men up if we have some hiccups at receiver. Whitehead will be the 1st to rotate in and / or be injury replacement.

Hopefully we find a away to use Wheatfall more often to surprise the Argos?

I was at first concerned at receiver, but again, we can't take the depth chart too seriously. They rarely run 5 guys as we play with extra linemen all the time. So we have more receiver depth than it looks like.
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Blue In BC

Quote from: Jesse on November 16, 2024, 05:28:09 PMI was at first concerned at receiver, but again, we can't take the depth chart too seriously. They rarely run 5 guys as we play with extra linemen all the time. So we have more receiver depth than it looks like.

It depends on the flow of the game. We do that alot but there are times we don't. I see MCI was taken off the roster as well.
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Quote from: Jesse on November 16, 2024, 05:28:09 PMI was at first concerned at receiver, but again, we can't take the depth chart too seriously. They rarely run 5 guys as we play with extra linemen all the time. So we have more receiver depth than it looks like.

Hope Demski stays healthy, if he gets knocked out they could be in trouble. Pray they don't run into any roster deficiencies in this game.

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Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 16, 2024, 05:52:01 PMHope Demski stays healthy, if he gets knocked out they could be in trouble. Pray they don't run into any roster deficiencies in this game.

I think it looks good.

Can't predict injuries. But we're not walking in depleted like last year.
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With their D knowing they have to win the game, our risk for injuries is on our O.  As such it maybe would have been nice to have more REC depth.

TOR's O will be anemic so stacking the D might not help much.  However, an extra body on DL might hint we want to try for pressure?

That said, Lucky and Johnny are both very competent RECs for depth.  Most of our RECs will play through any sub-"2019 Strev" injury.  I wouldn't worry too much.

Still no sign of TOR chart?
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Quote from: TecnoGenius on November 16, 2024, 06:14:58 PMWith their D knowing they have to win the game, our risk for injuries is on our O.  As such it maybe would have been nice to have more REC depth.

TOR's O will be anemic so stacking the D might not help much.  However, an extra body on DL might hint we want to try for pressure?

That said, Lucky and Johnny are both very competent RECs for depth.  Most of our RECs will play through any sub-"2019 Strev" injury.  I wouldn't worry too much.

Still no sign of TOR chart?

Unless you're suggesting that the Argos D is going to start intentionally taking out our players, I don't think there's any increased risk of injury on O vs. D.

Argos depth chart is out too:
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Quote from: Jesse on November 16, 2024, 06:23:49 PMUnless you're suggesting that the Argos D is going to start intentionally taking out our players, I don't think there's any increased risk of injury on O vs. D.

Argos depth chart is out too:

Augstine has 17 receptions for 139 yards in 67 games in 6 seasons. One big YAC for 58 yards of that total. That's not what I'd call good depth.
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Quote from: Blue In BC on November 16, 2024, 06:40:01 PMAugstine has 17 receptions for 139 yards in 67 games in 6 seasons. One big YAC for 58 yards of that total. That's not what I'd call good depth.

I think you meant to quote Techno, but I think it is good depth. We run plenty of packages with 3 and 4 receivers. We don't necessarily need to waste spots on a bunch of extra receivers.
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Quote from: Blue In BC on November 16, 2024, 06:40:01 PMAugstine has 17 receptions for 139 yards in 67 games in 6 seasons. One big YAC for 58 yards of that total. That's not what I'd call good depth.

Out of all the backup NAT RBs, I'd pick Johnny if I needed an emergency REC.  I have faith in him.

Remember, he's not taking up a spot nor a DI: he's forced to be on the roster so we have a Brady backup.

Yes, he is not a legit IMP backup REC, but he doesn't have to be.

We have the exact same number of REC rostered as TOR for this game.  Though they put in a 3rd RB instead of a FB.
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Our lineup looks fantastic
Depth at every position but receiver

TecnoGenius

Quote from: Jesse on November 16, 2024, 06:23:49 PMUnless you're suggesting that the Argos D is going to start intentionally taking out our players, I don't think there's any increased risk of injury on O vs. D.

TOR D knows they need to win the game.  I think they will be extra physical and extra rough.  There will be the ol' ankle twisting/squeezing at the end of most plays.  They will go right to the edge in terms of what we'd call good sportsmanship... and maybe over.

I also think they will be trying to pancake Zach as early and often as possible.  They'd like nothing better than Arbuckle vs Wilson.  And the injury spotter has shown they won't hesitate in a playoff game to take a QB out of the game after a head whack.
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Quote from: Jesse on November 16, 2024, 06:23:49 PMUnless you're suggesting that the Argos D is going to start intentionally taking out our players, I don't think there's any increased risk of injury on O vs. D.

My worry is Demski at less than 80% which I believe he is. Can't recall what he was operating at in last year's GC, but because of injury he was not an effective weapon.

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Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 16, 2024, 08:10:25 PMMy worry is Demski at less than 80% which I believe he is. Can't recall what he was operating at in last year's GC, but because of injury he was not an effective weapon.

Yeah, but he came back into the game after his injury. And practiced this week.

Last year he wasn't practicing for weeks leading up to the Grey Cup. I know we have some PTSD, but I really think this is a way different scenario than last year.
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Blueforlife

Demski will be fine as long as doesn't tweak anything early.  I would like to see a little Johnny in the run game to take the rep or two that Demski would get.