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dd · November 07, 2024, 12:01:48 AM

I just don't understand why BC is bent on keeping Rourke, who clearly under performed this year, and if you're worried about Adams's performance in the WSF, Rourke would have been 10X worse. I'd be keeping Adams and kicking Rourke to the curb

Jesse · November 07, 2024, 12:15:25 AM

Quote from: dd on November 07, 2024, 12:01:48 AMI just don't understand why BC is bent on keeping Rourke, who clearly under performed this year, and if you're worried about Adams's performance in the WSF, Rourke would have been 10X worse. I'd be keeping Adams and kicking Rourke to the curb

Maybe they're not. But they made a huge commitment to him. And when he actually went through a training camp with the team, he obviously experienced much more success than this year's thrown into the fire while learning your 4th offence in the last month

Throw Long Bannatyne · November 07, 2024, 01:09:03 AM

Quote from: Jesse on November 06, 2024, 11:26:13 PMI don't agree with your analysis of the situation at all.

Edmonton and Calgary and definitely looking for upgrades. They have missed the play-offs and their attendance is tanking. Hamilton benched Bo Levi this year and that relationship seems a little frayed at best. Sask could be looking for a longer term solution at QB.

As to his salary, 3down lists him at 400k, and even 500k won't even out him in the top half of starting QB salaries. I think your perception is a little skewed.

I was suggesting Adams salary is definitely too high for a backup role. As for BLM and Trevor Harris I think their play this season has earned them the starting job next season. The Ti-Cats also have a good young backup in Powell.

dd · November 07, 2024, 01:38:32 AM

How does Adams go from front runner in the 2024 MOP conversation to a backup?? The guy is a starter, moreso than a ton of Qb's presently starting--MBT, Maier, BLM, Brown, Masoli and he's in the same conversation as Collaros, Harris, Fajardo and Kelly. He's a bonafide starter and I hope he gets to start in either Calgary or Edmonton next year and we can all sit back and watch Rourke flop again and laugh our *ss off!!!

bluengold204 · November 07, 2024, 01:54:53 AM

Quote from: dd on November 07, 2024, 01:38:32 AMHow does Adams go from front runner in the 2024 MOP conversation to a backup?? The guy is a starter, moreso than a ton of Qb's presently starting--MBT, Maier, BLM, Brown, Masoli and he's in the same conversation as Collaros, Harris, Fajardo and Kelly. He's a bonafide starter and I hope he gets to start in either Calgary or Edmonton next year and we can all sit back and watch Rourke flop again and laugh our *ss off!!!

Your blind hatred for Rourke is disturbing

TecnoGenius · November 07, 2024, 07:45:50 AM

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 06, 2024, 10:47:11 PMThat contract will have to be re-negotiated, nobodies paying him that. If he could have beat Sask. he may have changed a few minds, but as it is, it's the same old story.

VAJ will be sought after by 2-3 teams and earn at least $500k. And he'll probably be closer to Zach money than $500k.

TecnoGenius · November 07, 2024, 07:50:02 AM

Quote from: ModAdmin on November 06, 2024, 06:15:25 AMThe question is, is Rourke the future in BC because it seems pretty clear Adams Jr. won't be returning to the Lions unless he goes into the 2025 season as the No. 1 guy. And there is no guarantee he would be willing to re-sign in any event given his comments about being benched this season because of the failed experiment with Rourke.

It's simple choice:

1. Keep VAJ = be a top-3 team in CFL in 2025, but never win a cup.

or

2. Keep Rourke = probably be iffy for half/all of 2025, possibly win a cup in '26-'28.

If you have the time and job security, you pick #2. If you're on the hot-seat (or if you're a basement team trade-shopping) you pick #1. If I'm BC right now, I'm picking #2.

Jesse · November 07, 2024, 10:42:01 AM

Quote from: TecnoGenius on November 07, 2024, 07:50:02 AMIt's simple choice:

1. Keep VAJ = be a top-3 team in CFL in 2025, but never win a cup.

or

2. Keep Rourke = probably be iffy for half/all of 2025, possibly win a cup in '26-'28.

If you have the time and job security, you pick #2. If you're on the hot-seat (or if you're a basement team trade-shopping) you pick #1. If I'm BC right now, I'm picking #2.

That's true of any QB until they win it.

Waffler · November 07, 2024, 01:07:34 PM

Rourke is Campbell's guy. If Campbell stays that is the direction they go. I still see the scene in my mind of the two of them coming out to watch the aftermath of our western final victory and I imagine that as a bonding/teaching moment for those two, a resolve to be back and win it. Rarely do you see a coach and qb that tight.

Throw Long Bannatyne · November 07, 2024, 04:50:58 PM

Quote from: Waffler on November 07, 2024, 01:07:34 PMRourke is Campbell's guy. If Campbell stays that is the direction they go. I still see the scene in my mind of the two of them coming out to watch the aftermath of our western final victory and I imagine that as a bonding/teaching moment for those two, a resolve to be back and win it. Rarely do you see a coach and qb that tight.

Doman bought Rourke's soul, if anyone thinks they're going to dump a marketer's wet dream for flaky old Vern, they're plumb loco. The investment in "Kid Canada" is to put butts in seats.

Even old ladies want a piece of him.

TecnoGenius · November 08, 2024, 05:35:41 AM

Quote from: Jesse on November 07, 2024, 10:42:01 AMThat's true of any QB until they win it.

I'd bet money if there was a market that would take my "VAJ won't win a GC in the next 5 years" bet. And after 5 years he'll be old & gone anyhow.

I really am that sure of this.

TecnoGenius · November 08, 2024, 05:37:32 AM

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 07, 2024, 04:50:58 PMEven old ladies want a piece of him.

Look! I just spotted the $200k in "marketing"!!

TecnoGenius · November 08, 2024, 05:38:16 AM

Quote from: Waffler on November 07, 2024, 01:07:34 PMRourke is Campbell's guy. If Campbell stays that is the direction they go. I still see the scene in my mind of the two of them coming out to watch the aftermath of our western final victory and I imagine that as a bonding/teaching moment for those two, a resolve to be back and win it. Rarely do you see a coach and qb that tight.

I thought all that bawling was Rourke with Burnham? Was there shots of him bawling on Campbell too? Hmm... might still be on the PVR somewhere...

Throw Long Bannatyne · November 08, 2024, 03:41:18 PM

Quote from: TecnoGenius on November 07, 2024, 07:45:50 AMVAJ will be sought after by 2-3 teams and earn at least $500k. And he'll probably be closer to Zach money than $500k.

Tell me the names of the GM's willing to risk their necks paying full freight for VA? I'm not even sure Dickie would be comfortable doing it once he sits down and talks to him. $350k max. is my prediction, take it or leave it Vern.

Blue In BC · November 08, 2024, 03:54:14 PM

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 08, 2024, 03:41:18 PMTell me the names of the GM's willing to risk their necks paying full freight for VA? I'm not even sure Dickie would be comfortable doing it once he sits down and talks to him. $350k max. is my prediction, take it or leave it Vern.

A team that acquires Adams in trade would have to have a concession of a new deal before a trade is completed. That's not outside the possibilities but it is a 2nd layer issue to the trade.