Lucky Whitehead

Throw Long Bannatyne · October 28, 2024, 08:16:00 PM

Quote from: theaardvark on October 28, 2024, 03:39:51 PMI don't think affording Schoen or signing Schoen will be an issue. The key to how long and how much will be his health and his recovery.

I do not think we will have an issue confirming the exact state of his health, I do not think he will pull an AH33 and demand a contract without a full medical assessment.

If he is 100%, he gets a new deal, on his terms. I think Kenny comes down a bit to make some room for others. We still have Wilson for another ELC year. I do think Biggie comes off the books, maybe Jefferson too, although a home GC makes those decisions harder on both sides. I guess a lot depends on the next 2 games.

How does it work when a player is still injured when their contract expires at the end of the season? Do they sit on the IR next season until they're fully recovered and then cut or re-signed or do they become FA's after the upcoming GC? These conditions would apply to both Schoen and Strev. next season.

Blue In BC · October 28, 2024, 09:14:58 PM

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on October 28, 2024, 08:16:00 PMHow does it work when a player is still injured when their contract expires at the end of the season? Do they sit on the IR next season until they're fully recovered and then cut or re-signed or do they become FA's after the upcoming GC? These conditions would apply to both Schoen and Strev. next season.

I think the team is responsible for medical stuff but not for any contract since it would have expired.

dd · October 28, 2024, 10:58:09 PM

Quote from: BBRT on October 27, 2024, 04:53:58 PMI agree - I think Woli might be back but really not sure on Schoen. Might be time to move on with Schoen as he is a big ticket item when compared to Woli

Absolutely agree...no way we tie up big $$ on Schoen next year, and I'd be moving on for sure and not even consider re-signing him--too many recievers out there to be had for a fraction of the $$

TecnoGenius · October 29, 2024, 06:36:45 AM

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on October 28, 2024, 03:27:39 PMSchoen bent over backwards to re-sign with Wpg. and was overjoyed to do so, he accepted less than Lawler even after putting up better receiving numbers for 2 seasons.

I hope you're right! What we paid him is still big moolah: league top-5 for sure.

As for making less than Kenny, Kenny is still the better REC in terms of hands & circus, even if he didn't put up the numbers. Kenny was (probably still is) like a Burnham, SJ Green, or in-green Dressler. Schoen is more like... Milt? Someone give me some better analogies for Schoen...

TecnoGenius · October 29, 2024, 06:43:03 AM

Quote from: theaardvark on October 28, 2024, 03:39:51 PMIf he is 100%, he gets a new deal, on his terms. I think Kenny comes down a bit to make some room for others. We still have Wilson for another ELC year. I do think Biggie comes off the books, maybe Jefferson too, although a home GC makes those decisions harder on both sides. I guess a lot depends on the next 2 games.

No way Willie is cut before the home '25 GC. Willie may take big concessions to stay here, I don't think he ever wants to leave. Same with Biggie, and I think the team will extend an olive branch for optics.

Same might apply to Fatboi. Certain players may be deemed to have "earned" the right to celebrate the home GC year, unless they are clearly useless. We might even sign some of the past-their-due-date guys, AR them for a game, then 6GIR them all year so they still get to get a ring and be on the sidelines -- if there's no bonus money, there's near-zero SMS hit.

The tough, nasty GM stuff will mostly wait until after 2025. And most players who "should" go will probably self-retire anyhow.

TecnoGenius · October 29, 2024, 06:47:23 AM

Quote from: dd on October 28, 2024, 10:58:09 PMAbsolutely agree...no way we tie up big $$ on Schoen next year, and I'd be moving on for sure and not even consider re-signing him--too many recievers out there to be had for a fraction of the $$

If you mean our AR, IR and PR... we still are lacking. If Schoen walks, put Pokey in his place, as he's legit. But who takes Bailey's old spot? Wheatie clearly isn't there yet, give him another year on PR to develop or cut him.

To me the optimal lineup is:
Pokey Kenny Demski Schoen Woli/Emperor

If Kenny & Schoen can make concessions to compensate for their off year this year, then we could have a top corps for slightly less $$ than 2024. That would work! If they want more money, then someone walks.

Waffler · October 29, 2024, 01:20:45 PM

Quote from: TecnoGenius on October 29, 2024, 06:36:45 AMSomeone give me some better analogies for Schoen...

Schoen is his own guy. What he does better than anyone is having that sense of going to where Zach wants him to be on broken plays. That's his brand. Would he work as well somewhere else? Unknown at this point.

theaardvark · October 29, 2024, 04:56:28 PM

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on October 28, 2024, 08:16:00 PMHow does it work when a player is still injured when their contract expires at the end of the season? Do they sit on the IR next season until they're fully recovered and then cut or re-signed or do they become FA's after the upcoming GC? These conditions would apply to both Schoen and Strev. next season.

Pretty sure that the contract expires, making them a FA, but that rehab responsibilities continue until they sign a new contract or a certain time (I think 1 year?) expires. If someone wants to sign them injured, they are free to and that releases the original team from rehab responsibilities.

J5V · October 29, 2024, 11:48:58 PM

Quote from: TecnoGenius on October 29, 2024, 06:36:45 AMI hope you're right! What we paid him is still big moolah: league top-5 for sure.

As for making less than Kenny, Kenny is still the better REC in terms of hands & circus, even if he didn't put up the numbers. Kenny was (probably still is) like a Burnham, SJ Green, or in-green Dressler. Schoen is more like... Milt? Someone give me some better analogies for Schoen...

Brian Kelly.

Blueforlife · October 30, 2024, 12:03:21 AM

Schoen will come back and be very good for us and I would love to see him here long term. Some uncertainty about how he heals but he is young and likely will be fine as long as there are no setbacks in rehab or reinjury.

TecnoGenius · October 30, 2024, 02:29:33 AM

Quote from: J5V on October 29, 2024, 11:48:58 PMBrian Kelly.

This guy who played in EDM?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Kelly_(wide_receiver)

I don't remember many players from that era, as I was a kid who didn't pay much attention to someone not wearing blue & gold.

But I'll take your word for it!

J5V · October 30, 2024, 01:12:06 PM

Quote from: TecnoGenius on October 30, 2024, 02:29:33 AMThis guy who played in EDM?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Kelly_(wide_receiver)

I don't remember many players from that era, as I was a kid who didn't pay much attention to someone not wearing blue & gold.

But I'll take your word for it!

Well, maybe showing my age there with that reference but that's exactly who Shoen reminds me of.

Brian Kelly

Blue In BC · October 30, 2024, 01:38:41 PM

Quote from: J5V on October 30, 2024, 01:12:06 PMWell, maybe showing my age there with that reference but that's exactly who Shoen reminds me of.

Brian Kelly

Interesting comparison. I'm not sure I entirely agree but it is a valid thought. Brian Kelly was a precise route runner and faster IIRC. I don't think he was as physical as Schoen.

I'd suggest Ben Cahoon in Montreal might be a comparison as well. He was very tough to defend and always a guy looked at to make a 2nd down conversion over the middle.

dd · October 30, 2024, 09:57:24 PM

Quote from: Blueforlife on October 30, 2024, 12:03:21 AMSchoen will come back and be very good for us and I would love to see him here long term. Some uncertainty about how he heals but he is young and likely will be fine as long as there are no setbacks in rehab or reinjury.

The guy was hurt last year, and hurt all of this year---do you see the trend??? if he comes back, and if we sign him, I hope its based on games he dresses for, but he will most certainly be hurt again.

We'd be best served getting younger, cheaper help just like we've done this year, turn the page.

Jesse · October 30, 2024, 09:59:49 PM

Quote from: dd on October 30, 2024, 09:57:24 PMThe guy was hurt last year, and hurt all of this year---do you see the trend??? if he comes back, and if we sign him, I hope its based on games he dresses for, but he will most certainly be hurt again.

We'd be best served getting younger, cheaper help just like we've done this year, turn the page.

Dude, you're describing most of the team. You only want to re-sign football players who have NEVER been injured?