MOP Candidates

Started by Jesse, October 25, 2024, 05:15:23 PM

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Waffler

Quote from: TBURGESS on October 26, 2024, 03:23:02 PMBLM threw for 1400 more yards than the next best QB in yards and 8 more passing TD's than the next best in TD's. He's a great comeback story.

Brady O is the best RB in the league, but he rushed for a couple of hundred less yards than last year and 6 less TD's for 17th place in the league this year.

He has to compete against himself? I think the award you are thinking of is Most Improved player (if such a thing existed), then BLM for sure. Bombers finished first and once again rode Brady to the tough wins. He has my vote.
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TBURGESS

Quote from: Waffler on October 27, 2024, 02:40:25 PMHe has to compete against himself? I think the award you are thinking of is Most Improved player (if such a thing existed), then BLM for sure. Bombers finished first and once again rode Brady to the tough wins. He has my vote.
In Brady's case... yes. Even better stats last year didn't = MOP. 
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GOLDMEMBER

Quote from: TBURGESS on October 27, 2024, 03:56:53 PMIn Brady's case... yes. Even better stats last year didn't = MOP.
As usual you make very little sense. It is MOP of this year not MOP against last year's  nominees of MOP, just to help you out a bit.
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TBURGESS

Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on October 27, 2024, 07:31:26 PMAs usual you make very little sense. It is MOP of this year not MOP against last year's  nominees of MOP, just to help you out a bit.
If you don't think voters are going to compare Brady to last year, you're the one who isn't making any sense. 
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Jesse

Quote from: TBURGESS on October 27, 2024, 08:17:44 PMIf you don't think voters are going to compare Brady to last year, you're the one who isn't making any sense.

Can't say I agree. Voters are going to compare the West nominee to the East nominee.
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TecnoGenius

Quote from: dd on October 27, 2024, 02:40:54 AMBLM racked up a ton of his yards when the Ticats were so far behind, the other team subbed in 2nd stringers and was in prevent D. His stats don't sway me one bit

What about the "story" angle I mentioned?  Media & TSN love a "story".  Brady being MOP doesn't give a story.

It's literally just a humdrum ho-hum normal Brady year, basically exactly as expected.  Worse!... because he got almost no TDs, which for a key O weapon may preclude him from winning.  Doubly worse because he's the highest paid RB by miles, and thus is "expected" to get the most yards, etc.

BLM MOP gives TSN a great story: washed up part-time TSN panelist who stunk for 2-3 seasons suddenly learns to be good again and redeems himself.  Yes, half of it was in garbage time, but only us here are fretting about that: the average fan won't know or care about it, and the media won't inform them.  It'll ruin their "story"...

P.S. I will add one thing that should work in Brady's favor: he's won the rushing title with a clearly subpar OL, and one that was down to 3rd stringers and late-round DPs early/mid-year.  If I'm WFC or Bomber media, I'm playing up that aspect -- respectfully of course, because this is a diss on the OL!
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dd

The award isn't about a 'story', its about a player who is worthy of the award. BLM isn't. Sentimental because of the adversity he faced this year, but still, his team was terrible and a large portion of his stats, which everyone seems to be glomming onto , including TSN, was in games where the outcome was already decided and the defending team was just playing out the string knowing the Ticats had no chance in winning the game. That is not MOP worthy.

TecnoGenius

Quote from: dd on October 28, 2024, 02:01:04 AMThe award isn't about a 'story', its about a player who is worthy of the award.

It's the media that does the bulk of the voting.  Media is nothing but story.

Yes, it's not all about "story", but you're wrong if you don't think story doesn't factor into it.  If you have 2 guys and they are roughly equal in other things, and you are having trouble deciding, then you choose the guy that has the "story".
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blue_gold_84

Quote from: dd on October 25, 2024, 10:39:27 PMwhat do the asterisks mean??

Pretty sure that means it's a unanimous nomination.
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theaardvark

Oliviera got only 35 rushing yards, 46 total.

Milligan sat.

Its a toss up, for sure, both fueled their team's success.

Beverette added a sack and 4 tackles, not sure its enough to eclipse whoever wins the west.


I think its Oliviera, but he might get the "already getting MOC" bias again.
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GOLDMEMBER

Quote from: TBURGESS on October 27, 2024, 08:17:44 PMIf you don't think voters are going to compare Brady to last year, you're the one who isn't making any sense.
You're out to lunch. Your reality is jaded, this is your problem not ours. Thank god you don't have a vote.
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ichabod_crane

Bo played on a loser team. If he hauled them into the playoffs I could see it maybe, but not now. Comeback player of the year for sure.

I didn't study him close enough this season unfortunately. Could he throw a deep ball again or just short to intermediate stuff? His shoulder looked shot for several Seasons and was
Nowhere the player he once was because of that.  Thought he was done like khari jones at the end of his career with a limp noodle. So Just wondering if he returned to his old form or Hamilton just adjusted their offence around his Limitations now.

theaardvark

Bo led the league in YAB yardage.  Yards after beatdown.

That's all.  He never made them competitive, and only got back onto the field because the guy they pulled him for got injured.

No award gets given based on a single stat line.
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Cool Spot

This year, Mitchell passed for 5451 yards. Previous MOPs (who are QBs) yards passed:

  • Chad Kelly (2023) - 4123
  • Zach Collaros (2022) - 4252
  • Zach Collaros (2021) - 4183 (shortened year)
  • Bo Levi Mitchell (2018) - 5119
  • Mike Reilly (2017) - 5830
  • Bo Levi Mitchell (2016) - 5377
  • Henry Burris (2015) - 5703
  • Travis Lulay (2011) - 4815
  • Henry Burris (2010) - 4945
  • Anthony Calvillo (2009) - 4639
  • Anthony Calvillo (2008) - 5633

I didn't include completion %, but Mitchell's this year was 68.4% and is similar to the MOP players in those other years.

I can't really speak towards whether or not yards were earned in garbage time, fair enough. But I'm also not sure that's a disqualifier because Calgary's Jake Meier didn't run up the stats, and Calgary had an even worse record than Hamilton.