Official Game Day Thread - Toronto at Winnipeg October 11, 2024

[jayrock]

The Riders are 9 - 7 - 1 this season so they hardly "suck".  They had had one player this year that has crossed the line with what arguably can be call dirty play, but to lambaste the entire team as "dirty" is overkill.

I don't like the Riders particularly either, but Jayrock (who doesn't need me coming to his defence), is a pretty moderate Rider fan on here.  He deserves a bit more respect than you have given him.

Thanks ModAdmin, I appreciate you. Been on the forum long enough and made some great friends through here, that I should know better then to have a kneejerk reaction to someone clearing talking with to much emotion and not enough facts.

[Sir Blue and Gold]

The Riders are 9 - 7 - 1 this season so they hardly "suck".  They had had one player this year that has crossed the line with what arguably can be call dirty play, but to lambaste the entire team as "dirty" is overkill.

I don't like the Riders particularly either, but Jayrock (who doesn't need me coming to his defence), is a pretty moderate Rider fan on here.  He deserves a bit more respect than you have given him.

I like Jayrock and the Riders don't "suck" but they DO have a legitimate reputation to overcome (I'm sure there are more but I don't have 8 hours to commit to finding them all:

Chris Jones Era 2016-2018
Riders fined record amount for "pre-practice" squad, essentially having "as many as 95 players" in Regina
Riders fined for violating ratio rules in game - not playing enough Canadians
Chris Jones fined for tampering - meeting with Johnny Manziel in 2017

Craig Dickenson Era 2019-2023
Loucheiz Purifoy detained by police in restaurant for causing disturbance
AC Leonard suspended three games for failing to provide urine sample and verbal abuse of a drug testing official   
Garrett Marino hits Masoli low in week 5 resulting in season-ending injury
Garrett Marino issued four game suspension for racial comments made towards Masoli
Duke Williams throws helmet at a player in warmups
Duke Williams gets in fight while injured and in street clothes on sideline
Jake Dolegala (now a Blue Bomber) arrested for impaired driving
Samuel Emilus fined for high hit on Jonathan Moxie
Deontai Williams fined for high hit on Taylor Cornelius
Jayden Dalke fined for tourist hit on Kiondre Smith

Cory Mace Era 2024
Riders issue national apology over marketing campaign
Trevor Reid fined for hit on Kene Onyeka
DaMarcus Fields fined for high hit on Makai Polk
Miles Brown fined for high hit to Zach Collaros
Miles Brown fined for low hit to Chris Streveler
Samuel Emilus fined for blindside block to Demerio Houston
Deontai Williams fined and suspended for suplexing Kalil Pimpleton
CJ Reavis fined for throwing a punch at Jakub Szott

[blue_gold_84]

I like Jayrock and the Riders don't "suck" but they DO have a legitimate reputation to overcome (I'm sure there are more but I don't have 8 hours to commit to finding them all:

Chris Jones Era 2016-2018
Riders fined record amount for "pre-practice" squad, essentially having "as many as 95 players" in Regina
Riders fined for violating ratio rules in game - not playing enough Canadians
Chris Jones fined for tampering - meeting with Johnny Manziel in 2017

Craig Dickenson Era 2019-2023
Loucheiz Purifoy detained by police in restaurant for causing disturbance
AC Leonard suspended three games for failing to provide urine sample and verbal abuse of a drug testing official   
Garrett Marino hits Masoli low in week 5 resulting in season-ending injury
Garrett Marino issued four game suspension for racial comments made towards Masoli
Duke Williams throws helmet at a player in warmups
Duke Williams gets in fight while injured and in street clothes on sideline
Jake Dolegala (now a Blue Bomber) arrested for impaired driving
Samuel Emilus fined for high hit on Jonathan Moxie
Deontai Williams fined for high hit on Taylor Cornelius
Jayden Dalke fined for tourist hit on Kiondre Smith

Cory Mace Era 2024
Riders issue national apology over marketing campaign
Trevor Reid fined for hit on Kene Onyeka
DaMarcus Fields fined for high hit on Makai Polk
Miles Brown fined for high hit to Zach Collaros
Miles Brown fined for low hit to Chris Streveler
Samuel Emilus fined for blindside block to Demerio Houston
Deontai Williams fined and suspended for suplexing Kalil Pimpleton
CJ Reavis fined for throwing a punch at Jakub Szott

Notoriety going back some years, which seems like an organization/culture problem, IMO.

You forgot to include Duke Williams spitting on opponents in the 2021 West Final.

[55StickCar]

I like Jayrock and the Riders don't "suck" but they DO have a legitimate reputation to overcome (I'm sure there are more but I don't have 8 hours to commit to finding them all:

Chris Jones Era 2016-2018
Riders fined record amount for "pre-practice" squad, essentially having "as many as 95 players" in Regina
Riders fined for violating ratio rules in game - not playing enough Canadians
Chris Jones fined for tampering - meeting with Johnny Manziel in 2017

Craig Dickenson Era 2019-2023
Loucheiz Purifoy detained by police in restaurant for causing disturbance
AC Leonard suspended three games for failing to provide urine sample and verbal abuse of a drug testing official   
Garrett Marino hits Masoli low in week 5 resulting in season-ending injury
Garrett Marino issued four game suspension for racial comments made towards Masoli
Duke Williams throws helmet at a player in warmups
Duke Williams gets in fight while injured and in street clothes on sideline
Jake Dolegala (now a Blue Bomber) arrested for impaired driving
Samuel Emilus fined for high hit on Jonathan Moxie
Deontai Williams fined for high hit on Taylor Cornelius
Jayden Dalke fined for tourist hit on Kiondre Smith

Cory Mace Era 2024
Riders issue national apology over marketing campaign
Trevor Reid fined for hit on Kene Onyeka
DaMarcus Fields fined for high hit on Makai Polk
Miles Brown fined for high hit to Zach Collaros
Miles Brown fined for low hit to Chris Streveler
Samuel Emilus fined for blindside block to Demerio Houston
Deontai Williams fined and suspended for suplexing Kalil Pimpleton
CJ Reavis fined for throwing a punch at Jakub Szott

Did not Miles Brown knock out Dru Brown also.

[blue_gold_84]

Did not Miles Brown knock out Dru Brown also.

[Waffler]

I don't think they're "dirty" to injure (except Marino), but I do think they're "dirty" in that they explicitly coach to hold and block and do shady things if they can get away with it.

You say they are coached to play just over the line but not enough to be called. If that is the attitude they want there, they are not going to stop taking shots where the advantage out weighs the penalty also.

Just watching with a casual fan one game they asked me "why do they play to hurt?" I had no answer, that's just them, but it is obvious even to the untrained eye that they play differently.

[markf]

Haven't the riders also make a habit of leg pulling and twisting after play's was over? This season?

I agree they (not to a man, but it still goes on) are on the dirty side and it's been that way for a few years, even as players and coaches come and go.

[J5V]

The riders have never had an undefeated season.

https://stats.cfldb.ca/league/cfl/best-worst-records/

Then why are you here gloating over a Bomber loss?

[blue_gold_84]

Then why are you here gloating over a Bomber loss?

Not saying he's trolling you, but you're playing right into his hands at this point.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

Haven't the riders also make a habit of leg pulling and twisting after play's was over? This season?

I agree they (not to a man, but it still goes on) are on the dirty side and it's been that way for a few years, even as players and coaches come and go.

I think the officials need to add that penalty to the rule book, it's being done in the open for all to see, so it hasn't been categorised as an infraction yet.

[J5V]

Not saying he's trolling you, but you're playing right into his hands at this point.

Well we certainly know how it goes in the Rider forum. I'd hate to see that happen here.

[blue_gold_84]

Well we certainly know how it goes in the Rider forum. I'd hate to see that happen here.

Sure, but jayrock isn't responsible for what happens on another forum. He's a regular contributor here despite the team he supports.

And we have quality mods here. So, I don't think we'll ever see this place devolve into a dumpster fire of brain rot like that other forum.

[theaardvark]

I guess there is a line between "If you ain't cheatin, you ain't tryin hard enuf" and going over the line repeatedly in a dangerous manner...

[TecnoGenius]

You say they are coached to play just over the line but not enough to be called. If that is the attitude they want there, they are not going to stop taking shots where the advantage out weighs the penalty also.

Just watching with a casual fan one game they asked me "why do they play to hurt?" I had no answer, that's just them, but it is obvious even to the untrained eye that they play differently.

There are a couple of teams that play to hurt.  It seems to follow C.Jones around, and it lingers in a city even after he leaves.  He (and others) clearly coach to get in every little extra hit they can on every tackle in hopes of injuring or just wearing down the other team.  When you start watching for this, it becomes obvious who the offending teams/coaches are.

I'm not sure if it works, though.  The problem is, if you're focusing on getting in those extra hits and trying to injure, you may not be focusing on your actual job.  And if they waste time coaching this stuff, that's time they are not coaching their real job.

I guess it all depends whether you can knock opponent players out of the game without taking any/many penalties.  And if you can still perform your job -- not having busts in coverage, etc.

It does diminish the game, though, when top players are "taken out" due to cheap shots.

[TecnoGenius]

I agree they (not to a man, but it still goes on) are on the dirty side and it's been that way for a few years, even as players and coaches come and go.

Ya, I was pondering that the other day.  C.Jones amped it up, but it lingered with Shivers, and now Mace.  JOD has been constant much of that time, but not all?  It's weird.  Maybe the team culture just gets passed down to each new player and it propagates forever?