Riders D. Williams suspended 1 game

Blue In BC · October 03, 2024, 08:57:05 PM

I missed that play. Anyone got video on that. Interesting that he gets suspended but Brown didn't after taking out 3 QB's this season.

Sir Blue and Gold · October 03, 2024, 09:21:50 PM

https://www.tsn.ca/cfl/video/the-cfl-on-tsn-panel-reacts-to-williams-hit-on-pimpleton-at-the-~3002110

I don't think he started the play thinking he was going to pile drive him but man the Riders are constantly doing stupid stuff and then acting flabbergasted that there are repercussions.

peg_city · October 03, 2024, 09:25:38 PM

https://x.com/JDunk12/status/1841477536196272390

peg_city · October 03, 2024, 09:26:46 PM

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on October 03, 2024, 09:21:50 PMhttps://www.tsn.ca/cfl/video/the-cfl-on-tsn-panel-reacts-to-williams-hit-on-pimpleton-at-the-~3002110

I don't think he started the play thinking he was going to pile drive him but man the Riders are constantly doing stupid stuff and then acting flabbergasted that there are repercussions.

Looking at some of the posts on the riders forum gave me a good laugh.

At first watch it's a suspension. No question.

Blue In BC · October 03, 2024, 10:21:52 PM

That was an ugly tackle and totally called for any reason. I'd call it intent not an accidental infraction. The receiver was nearly on the ground on his own.

What's more surprising now is that it's only a 1 game suspension. Will he appeal or sit out this week?

The suspension came today and their game is Saturday. That question should be answered tomorrow. Appealing that would show no remorse IMO.

If he does appeal this is game 16. How long will the appeal take? That's the next issue.

If he appeals the Riders should suspend him on their own. Total BS.

theaardvark · October 03, 2024, 10:29:01 PM

He could have broken his neck. That was lucky it didn't turn out way worse.

AND he took a swing at someone?

Wild.

Mace has lost control.

Waffler · October 03, 2024, 10:53:05 PM

They HAVE to suspend him, if they merely fine him, Rider fans pay it and it's just like no penalty at all.

Good to see the league step up on dirty play.

Blue In BC · October 04, 2024, 12:16:25 AM

Quote from: Waffler on October 03, 2024, 10:53:05 PMThey HAVE to suspend him, if they merely fine him, Rider fans pay it and it's just like no penalty at all.

Good to see the league step up on dirty play.

Rider fans might crowd fund a pay check for a suspension just the same as for a fine. A fine is often 1/2 a game check. A suspension would be 100%. I don't know how their fans will view this suspension. Just saying he may still get some cash. The only difference is he doesn't play a game.

I've always had the same issue with suspensions in that any appeal takes significant time. Look at the S. Lemon problem which took 9 weeks +.

An appeal could result in the suspended game not being applied until 2025. I don't know if he'll appeal but that's an issue that needs to be resolved.

I'd prefer that a suspension is immediate. Appeal and win, then you get paid. That's not perfect since the team pays while losing that player for a game etc.

Jesse · October 04, 2024, 12:23:14 AM

Quote from: Blue In BC on October 04, 2024, 12:16:25 AMRider fans might crowd fund a pay check for a suspension just the same as for a fine. A fine is often 1/2 a game check. A suspension would be 100%. I don't know how their fans will view this suspension. Just saying he may still get some cash. The only difference is he doesn't play a game.

I've always had the same issue with suspensions in that any appeal takes significant time. Look at the S. Lemon problem which took 9 weeks +.

An appeal could result in the suspended game not being applied until 2025. I don't know if he'll appeal but that's an issue that needs to be resolved.

I'd prefer that a suspension is immediate. Appeal and win, then you get paid. That's not perfect since the team pays while losing that player for a game etc.

They have rights that the CFL and CFLPA has agreed to. There's no way around a legal appeal process. And I'm not sure there should be.

Blue In BC · October 04, 2024, 12:41:20 AM

Quote from: Jesse on October 04, 2024, 12:23:14 AMThey have rights that the CFL and CFLPA has agreed to. There's no way around a legal appeal process. And I'm not sure there should be.

I know that. However, the CFL has or should have rights as well. He appeared before the commish this week to state his case. It is not an arbitrary concept. I'm not sure I recall a suspension being over turned. At best it's reduced from 3 or more games.

I guess the question is about rights and my suggestion eliminates any loss of income in theory. I don't know that any player has a right to play per se.

Should a player ( Brown ) who takes out 3 QB's in about 9 weeks be allowed to appeal and delay a suspension if that had happened in his case.

Lemon was suspended permanently for violating the code of conduct. That's in the CBA too. It took 9 weeks but that was upheld again and applied. Either they had evidence which obviously they did, so there is no grounds for an actual appeal aside from " rights " in the CBA. That's just nuts.

Where do we draw the line. What about the rights of the player that may suffer long term or permanent injury. Will Pimpleton play this week?

dd · October 04, 2024, 12:51:53 AM

Garbage play by a garbage player on a garbage team. Saskatchewan has zero integrity, I don' know how their fans can feel good about cheering for players that lack integrity and class...as that is a reflection of the fan base as well who openly accepts and cheers for such plays. The football gods will get them

TecnoGenius · October 04, 2024, 01:04:03 AM

Quote from: Jesse on October 04, 2024, 12:23:14 AMThey have rights that the CFL and CFLPA has agreed to. There's no way around a legal appeal process. And I'm not sure there should be.

For complex off-field issues, sure. However, for an in-whistle on-field infraction with 5 camera angles and 30k witnesses, perhaps there should be a different process. They already interviewed/grilled Williams to get his side of the story before suspending him. There is literally nothing more anyone can add nor any new epiphany that can be revealed... and as such, the appeals door should be shut.

It's like a fumble that command auto-reviews. After they auto-review it, there is zero reason to challenge the fumble aspect.

Throw Long Bannatyne · October 04, 2024, 01:37:18 AM

Quote from: Blue In BC on October 04, 2024, 12:41:20 AMI know that. However, the CFL has or should have rights as well. He appeared before the commish this week to state his case. It is not an arbitrary concept. I'm not sure I recall a suspension being over turned. At best it's reduced from 3 or more games.

I guess the question is about rights and my suggestion eliminates any loss of income in theory. I don't know that any player has a right to play per se.

Should a player ( Brown ) who takes out 3 QB's in about 9 weeks be allowed to appeal and delay a suspension if that had happened in his case.

Lemon was suspended permanently for violating the code of conduct. That's in the CBA too. It took 9 weeks but that was upheld again and applied. Either they had evidence which obviously they did, so there is no grounds for an actual appeal aside from " rights " in the CBA. That's just nuts.

Where do we draw the line. What about the rights of the player that may suffer long term or permanent injury. Will Pimpleton play this week?

I heard Mace will not be appealing the suspension due to the importance of the limited games left in the season, so he should sit out this weekend and be done with it.

TecnoGenius · October 04, 2024, 02:11:57 AM

Mace says "we don't coach like that" on camera. But what if he goes into the locker room and highfives Williams and Brown for destroying opponents?

Make some team punishments for unusually frequent fines/suspensions. Like 5 fines in a season the team loses their 4th RDP. 6 fines, their 4th and 3rd. 7: 4,3&2 DP. You get the idea.

Suspensions count the same as 2 fines, per game suspended.

Tweak the final numbers as appropriate so only teams that clearly aren't reining in their players are getting dinged. Everyone gets enough "normal" mulligans.

SSK clearly isn't practicing what they publicly preach. They can say they are all they want: the proof is in the penalty pudding.

Maybe with team-hurting penalties the staff will finally start preaching the correct messages. Problem-child Marinos will also be cut a lot sooner, too.

J5V · October 04, 2024, 02:28:42 AM

Quote from: TecnoGenius on October 04, 2024, 02:11:57 AMMace says "we don't coach like that" on camera. But what if he goes into the locker room and highfives Williams and Brown for destroying opponents?

Make some team punishments for unusually frequent fines/suspensions. Like 5 fines in a season the team loses their 4th RDP. 6 fines, their 4th and 3rd. 7: 4,3&2 DP. You get the idea.

Suspensions count the same as 2 fines, per game suspended.

Tweak the final numbers as appropriate so only teams that clearly aren't reining in their players are getting dinged. Everyone gets enough "normal" mulligans.

SSK clearly isn't practicing what they publicly preach. They can say they are all they want: the proof is in the penalty pudding.

Maybe with team-hurting penalties the staff will finally start preaching the correct messages. Problem-child Marinos will also be cut a lot sooner, too.

Teams (New Orleans Saints) have been guilty of putting bounties out on certain players in the NFL and college level, especially QBs, so encouraging a player to cause harm to a fellow athlete is not all that unusual. It certainly wouldn't be a foreign concept to many players now playing in the CFL.