Bomber LB's

[Blue In BC]

The video showcases his game saving tackle, which was what I was looking for.  The facebook clip shows the Hansen twofer tackle, and the 44 chasedown.  But the youtube clip has more.

Future coach?  well, like you say, Miller has the ST coordinator spot locked up as long as the mafia is in charge.  But there are LB coaches, and other spots.  Sounds like he's a Bomber for life and a Winnipegger beyond his career.

It always depends on which if any of our coaches choose to move on and how it relates to when a player retires. Neither of those questions are known at the moment.

I don't think he's a high SMS player and he may be back in 2025 with a reduced role on defence but an experienced ST player.

Free agency losses and draft choices will decide some changes in 2025.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

The video showcases his game saving tackle, which was what I was looking for.  The facebook clip shows the Hansen twofer tackle, and the 44 chasedown.  But the youtube clip has more.

Future coach?  well, like you say, Miller has the ST coordinator spot locked up as long as the mafia is in charge.  But there are LB coaches, and other spots.  Sounds like he's a Bomber for life and a Winnipegger beyond his career.

Don't know where I heard it but Gauthier married a Wpg. girl and has set up an electrical business with his brother-in-law, so his transition from football is already shaping up.

[theaardvark]

Don't know where I heard it but Gauthier married a Wpg. girl and has set up an electrical business with his brother-in-law, so his transition from football is already shaping up.

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[Throw Long Bannatyne]

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Well there you go, it's true!

[Blueforlife]

To use something similar ( opposite ) to your favourite saying: Overstated in the positive.

His value is on ST's but his days of being a good MLB are behind him.  Just look at the plays Jones makes and then compare that to Gauthier.

Evaluation of any roster is from top to bottom of each nationality, is a look at age, SMS and contribution. In effect which players are those that a team would least likely not want to lose.  Upside or downside.

You've never seen a Bomber of either nationality that you didn't think should be on the team.  I could care less whether he's a Canadian or an Import.

There it is you can't have a discussion without a personal shot or making thing ups about me that are not true (that's really getting old man, please stop that, you have done that for years).  I have been a strong supporter of the Bombers, player, coaches, management during this mini-dynasty.  But I've been on here long enough to have had a variety of opinions on this club over the years.  I post what I think (good, bad and ugly).  Please don't over generalize.  You have stated your opinion on Gauthier and so have I.  Let's leave it at that.  My statement about him was that he was a good run stopper.  That is all.  Good to know you don't view players different based on where they are from.  Sorry for suggesting otherwise.

Thanks to the person that posted the video.  Nothing more factual than film!

[Blue In BC]

There it is you can't have a discussion without a personal shot or making thing ups about me that are not true.  I have been a strong supporter of the Bombers, player, coaches, management during this mini-dynasty.  But I've been on here long enough to have had a variety of opinions on this club over the years.  I post what I think (good, bad and ugly).  Please don't over generalize.  You have stated your opinion on Gauthier and so have I.  Let's leave it at that.  My statement about him was that he was a good run stopper.  That is all.

Thanks to the person that posted the video.  Nothing more factual than film!

It's not a personal attack. It's a comment about a poster that always leans to the positive even when the facts don't support that statement. He's seeing the field less and less except on very short downs. He is no longer seeing downs where it might be either a pass or run on a consistent basis.

You look at things through a set very of blue tinted glasses.

You want to call it a personal attack, feel free. Nothing says you have to read or respond to any of my posts.

I'm sure someone if they wanted could post current season where tackles were missed or him in chase mode. Posting a highlight reel has about as much relevance as what we see for rookies going into TC.

As posted he had 1 more DT in 6 games than he has in 15 games in 2024. I don't need film to understand that but I watch every game at least one additional time. Perhaps you should do that and see when he is on the field and what he does on defence.

5 DT's in 15 games by any definition is not a good run stopper by anyone's opinion. It basically says he seldom on the field.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

The 2025 starting linebackers: Ayers, Jones, Kramdi with Cole and Gauthier as depth and a new find or two from scouting seems reasonable and arguably better than this year's combo to start the season.

Griffin has been very good and is getting a lot of reps on defence. I think both he and Ayers have passed Cole on the depth chart. However, Cole has been above average in his role.

Griffin is probably on a 1 year deal as well but I'd like to see him returning in 2025.

Competition in TC with a few new players will answer a few questions. Early injuries in TC usually has an impact with a few 1 game IR situations.

Walters has done a fantastic job of restocking the team through draft choices and recruitment, no longer do they have bring in all-star players from other teams as the core to build the team around. Bighill, Collaros, Willie and Stanley are the only blocks left and within a few short years they'll all be gone.

[Blueforlife]

It's not a personal attack. It's a comment about a poster that always leans to the positive even when the facts don't support that statement. He's seeing the field less and less except on very short downs. He is no longer seeing downs where it might be either a pass or run on a consistent basis.

You look at things through a set very of blue tinted glasses.

You want to call it a personal attack, feel free. Nothing says you have to read or respond to any of my posts.

I'm sure someone if they wanted could post current season where tackles were missed or him in chase mode. Posting a highlight reel has about as much relevance as what we see for rookies going into TC.

As posted he had 1 more DT in 6 games than he has in 15 games in 2024. I don't need film to understand that but I watch every game at least one additional time. Perhaps you should do that and see when he is on the field and what he does on defence.

5 DT's in 15 games by any definition is not a good run stopper by anyone's opinion. It basically says he seldom on the field.

I'll accept it's not a personal attack but you double down on being wrong on your statement that I'm only positive (that's your opinion, which I disagree with and don't appreciate).  I am here to debate the club in all ways not just positive.  I am sick of your lies about me.  Please stop.  You have done this repeatedly in the past.  I have been positive as of late, hell yes! But that's not all I am.  Focus on football, not me.  I have been on this forum for what maybe 10 years, not sure but I have seen and commented on very bad teams, average teams and most recently a historic exceptional run.  Good, bad and ugly positions on players, coaches and management have always been my thing.  An example.  I hated Lapo many years ago.  I posted as such.  I didn't like when he came back.  I came around and ate crow on that and I love him now.  Full circle my friend.  All posted on the interweb for all to see to the end of time.  Grab a coffee and search for PJ, yeah super positive mini-dynasty but you will see the glasses were tinted a little less at times.  It's like skiing, swap the goggle lens as needed but the one you like the most stay on most the time.  When Troy Copp is your QB take all eyewear off and replace with bag.

This year I was full blue glasses(to start season), they got kicked off my face and I thought ok we will be 8-10, then we won a few and I said 10-8.  Glasses currently spray pained dark blue but it's water based paint so I can remove the tint if we tank.

Gauthier is a good run stopper that's my opinion.  I and others have countered yours.  Truth in the middle, imo.  Stats don't tell the entire story.  Has been and always will be a rotational player.  We have deep at LB and we are giving all the new faces reps.  Part of next man up.  Gauthier will prove his worth the remainder of the season with his ability to be nothing but consistent, just like Jake (both good against the run imo).  Both at the tail end but don't write them off yet.  Key depth players imo.  Jake getting more reps so more valuable imo.  Let's please leave it at that and move on.  Agree to disagree. 

Full disclosure I'm a big time supporter of the depth player and vet.

example, 20 years an oilers fan, been through it all, my favorite players are Hemsky and The Nuge.  Ok the Nuge is not a depth guy but kinda when surrounded by the best, opps is this an Oilers forum?

let's just keep it clean please, nobody wants to see the back and forth banter

[Jesse]

Yes, Gauthier has not had a great year. I think last year injuries have taken it's toll on him. Doesn't have that quickness he once had. But, still pretty good on teams, and short yardage. 

2021: 12 Games, 15 DTs, 9 STs.
2022: 13 Games, 28 DTs, 5 STs.
2023:  6 Games,  6 DTs, 3 STs.
2024: 15 Games,  5 DTs, 10 STs.

This tells the story.

[Blue In BC]

I'll accept it's not a personal attack but you double down on being wrong on your statement that I'm only positive.  I am here to debate the club in all ways not just positive.  I am sick of your lies about me.  Please stop.  You have done this repeatedly in the past.  I have been positive as of late, hell yes! But that's not all I am.  Focus on football, not me.  I have been on this forum for what maybe 10 years, not sure but I have seen and commented on very bad teams, average teams and most recently a historic exceptional run.  Good, bad and ugly positions on players, coaches and management have always been my thing.  An example.  I hated Lapo many years ago.  I posted as such.  I didn't like when he came back.  I came around and ate crow on that and I love him now.  Full circle my friend.  All posted on the interweb for all to see to the end of time.  Grab a coffee and search for PJ, yeah super positive mini-dynasty but you will see the glasses were tinted a little less at times.  It's like skiing, swap the goggle lens as needed but the one you like the most stay on most the time.  When Troy Copp is your QB take all eyewear off and replace with bag.

This year I was full blue glasses(to start season), they got kicked off my face and I thought ok we will be 8-10, then we won a few and I said 10-8.  Glasses currently spray pained dark blue but it's water based paint so I can remove the tint if we tank.

Gauthier is a good run stopper that's my opinion.  I and others have countered yours.  Truth in the middle, imo.  Stats don't tell the entire story.  Has been and always will be a rotational player.  We have deep at LB and we are giving all the new faces reps.  Part of next man up.  Gauthier will prove his worth the remainder of the season with his ability to be nothing but consistent, just like Jake (both good against the run imo).  Both at the tail end but don't write them off yet.  Key depth players imo.  Jake getting more reps so more valuable imo.  Let's please leave it at that and move on.  Agree to disagree. 

Full disclosure I'm a big time supporter of the depth player and vet.

example, 20 years an oilers fan, been through it all, my favorite players are Hemsky and The Nuge.  Ok the Nuge is not a depth guy but kinda when surrounded by the best, opps is this an Oilers forum?

let's just keep it clean please, nobody wants to see the back and forth banter

Using the opposite of your " over stated in the negative " as over stated in the positive does not say you are ONLY positive. It says you are unreasonably biased when info doesn't support your opinion.

You and 3 guys in the corner doesn't represent a middle position.

[Blueforlife]

Using the opposite of your " over stated in the negative " as over stated in the positive does not say you are ONLY positive. It says you are unreasonably biased when info doesn't support your opinion.

You and 3 guys in the corner doesn't represent a middle position.

You have repeatedly said I'm only positive.  Not sure what you are going on about.  My turn for fun, you are understating how negative about me you are coming across while overstating about me being positive all the time.  Pretty positive I'm right LOL.

I said Gauthier was good against the run.  You said the opposite.  We both expressed our opinions.  By suggesting repeatedly that the truth was in the middle suggests I'm listening to your side.  You have dug in hard on this, won't listen to me or others people's opinions on it.  None of us are right.  We are just debating, the truth about Gauthier and his play would be known by him and his coaches.  Agree to disagree. 

If someone went through all the film for every down he played his entire career we could settle it.  Ok the coaches and Gauthier would have to be their for comments and Bob Irving would have to chime in and he would have final veto power.  If the players all had accounts we could open up a poll for them and we would arrive at an answer pretty close to the truth as well.  My gut tells me most would say he's good against the run.  Could be some home bias in the room.

You posted something that wasn't true about me only being positive, which is a lie and you have done this repeatedly in the past.  This isn't about my bias and opinion, I was upset b/c you lied.  I call it like it is and I try never to lie as best I can.  That is all. If you can stop that it would make this place more functional and I would greatly appreciate that. 

Let's leave this matter behind us and move on please.  All I ask is to consider not posting things about that are not true.

The discussion about our LBs is critical for our continued success.  I like the topic and thread but it's taken turn into a worm hole.

[Blue In BC]

Here are some stats. Last 2 games the Elks ran 45 times for 349 yards. Gauthier had 2 DT's. I don't know how many reps he was on the field and / or for running plays but he certainly wasn't stopping much when he was on the field.

The other LB's in the last game: Kramdi, Jones, Griffin and Ayers had 13 DT's in total. Gauthier had 1. That should tell you all you need to know about his ability to stop the run. Also what he has done for the entirety of his career is irrelevant. It's what he's doing and is capable of now that is in question.

Jones had 3 TFL and Kramdi had 1 in the last game. Combined 9 DT's.

If you read the post that you quoted, I said you were overly positive not always positive. You repeated that error AGAIN  Go figure.

[Sir Blue and Gold]

I said Gauthier was good against the run.  You said the opposite.  We both expressed our opinions. 

All I ask is to consider not posting things about that are not true.

Your right to an opinion does not make the opinion valid. Whether an opinion is valuable or worth a dime depends on how you reached it.

And commeeee on. The bolded line is hilarious. Quite ironic.

[theaardvark]

This tells the story.

Look at the jump in ST when Miller retired...

[theaardvark]

Here are some stats. Last 2 games the Elks ran 45 times for 349 yards. Gauthier had 2 DT's. I don't know how many reps he was on the field and / or for running plays but he certainly wasn't stopping much when he was on the field.

The other LB's in the last game: Kramdi, Jones, Griffin and Ayers had 13 DT's in total. Gauthier had 1. That should tell you all you need to know about his ability to stop the run. Also what he has done for the entirety of his career is irrelevant. It's what he's doing and is capable of now that is in question.

Jones had 3 TFL and Kramdi had 1 in the last game. Combined 9 DT's.

If you read the post that you quoted, I said you were overly positive not always positive. You repeated that error AGAIN  Go figure.

So, when a DB gets lots of tackles, that means he's playing great?  Or does it mean they are targeting him, and a DB that has fewer tackles, they are avoiding?

I'm not suggesting I have any proof or data, but maybe they are avoiding running at Gauthier...