Bomber LB's

[Blue In BC]

Bighill, Wilson, Cole and Gauthier are all potential free agents going into 2025

I can see the chance that none of these LB's returns in 2025. Injury history, age and  SMS.

Gauthier is still playing at a reasonable level as a back up and on ST's. His SMS is probably not that much. If we do lose / choose to not extend Bighill or Wilson, his experience / leadership might keep him around.

Some balked at the idea of keeping Bighill as a DI. While I understand, where do you draw the line on the downside of a career measured against succession and SMS value. I can see the argument from both sides. The intent / question about the Nationalized American rule wasn't answered.  Having the experience at depth has it's value.

Jones is a potential free agent as well but I expect we try to re-sign him. It's going to depend on his new " ask " on a contract and where that puts him against other's that might reach free agency.

[Blueforlife]

Gauthier comes back imo
Cole I don't know, seams to have got bumped
I hope Biggie can recover but that's a tough road ahead
Jones no brainer to sign, yes will cost a bit

[Blue In BC]

Balancing experience against cost is never a dull conversation. The draft and where we find spots for newbies is part of the equation for a veteran like Gauthier.

I think Bighill has a greater chance of returning but in a lesser role and possible progression towards coaching if he's interested. That step might be necessary to get Jones to re-sign in Winnipeg.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

Balancing experience against cost is never a dull conversation. The draft and where we find spots for newbies is part of the equation for a veteran like Gauthier.

I think Bighill has a greater chance of returning but in a lesser role and possible progression towards coaching if he's interested. That step might be necessary to get Jones to re-sign in Winnipeg.

Kind of depends if they're going to let a bunch of their own FA's walk as they did last season or if that was a one time thing.  They'll never force anyone to retire but they could let them go to the open market for salary or age reasons.

Gauthier is currently 32
Wilson is currently 31
Cole is currently 27
Bighill is currently 35
Jones is currently 29
Ayers is currently 25

I could see Wilson and Gauthier not being renewed, as they already have younger and  cheaper replacements in house.  Hard to see much evidence, but perhaps Charbonneau is the direct replacement for Gauthier.

[Jesse]

I fully expect Bighill to re-sign with us; just with the caveat that he'll be on the IR for at least half the year. If he's able to return at some point, wonderful; if not, he's a pseudo-coach for the year.

Jones fully fits the mold of a Blue Bomber - he's not going anywhere.

I can see Cole being brought back. I still think he's on the upswing.

Wilson has those lingering injury concerns; but as long as Cole is in the wings, we have some security. I might want to see Ayers take this position next year though.

Gauthier could hang around fulfilling his same role. I don't think anyone is forcing him out.

I can see everyone being back.

[Pigskin]

Kind of depends if they're going to let a bunch of their own FA's walk as they did last season or if that was a one time thing.  They'll never force anyone to retire but they could let them go to the open market for salary or age reasons.

Gauthier is currently 32
Wilson is currently 31
Cole is currently 27
Bighill is currently 35
Jones is currently 29
Ayers is currently 25

I could see Wilson and Gauthier not being renewed, as they already have younger and  cheaper replacements in house.  Hard to see much evidence, but perhaps Charbonneau is the direct replacement for Gauthier.

The group of Ayers, Jones, Kramdi, have been very good. Griffin and Cole are excellent teams players, and have been good as backup LBs. I haven't seen enough out of Charbonneau to replace Guathier yet. Or do we try and draft a stud MLB like Ryder Varga. 

[RebusRankin]

Bighill is 36 in a few weeks and has three different periods that he's missed time this year. Injuries last season too. Decline in production the past two season. Expensive. Better the club moves on.

Wilson has had injury issues the past three seasons. Older. Again time to move on.

[BLUEBOMBER]

I think Bighill's days are probably numbered. He gets injured so often that for his own his, it's probably time for him to move on.

[TecnoGenius]

Biggie comes back if:

1. he wants to (vs retire)
2. he gets no bonus (to shield our SMS hit when he gets 6GIR'd)
3. wants reasonable pay
4. can be incentive-laden pay

I can't see Mafia "dissing" him like they (reportedly and one-sidedly) did other recent departing players.  That means Mafia has to give him a call to at least discuss options.  From all accounts Biggie has always remained the consummate team player, pro, and general stand-up guy.  That goes a long way with MOS.

Biggie may be ROH-worthy.

[TecnoGenius]

Jones @MLB or WILL is priority.  I assume we only gave him a rest-of-season contract.  We should sign him to a 2Y like yesterday.

Gauthier is still all over the place making plays on ST and D, and his versatility and brains are always touted.  Hasn't been on the IR much/at all this season.  Re-sign.

Kyrie may get the Jeffcoat treatment.  We'll see if he can make it back for GC.

Cole might be the odd man out, but he sure is working his butt off to prove his value.  Did you see him in the last game?  He was all over the place faster than you can say Cole -- on ST and D.

My worry remains: who's the brains of the operation when Biggie is out?  Jones doesn't strike me as that type.  Ayers I don't know enough about yet.  Gauthier has it, but he's not every-down.  No idea on Cole.

Maybe BA37 can direct everything from FS?  Who knows what they're doing out there the last 2 weeks, but it worked.

[Pigskin]

Jones @MLB or WILL is priority.  I assume we only gave him a rest-of-season contract.  We should sign him to a 2Y like yesterday.

Gauthier is still all over the place making plays on ST and D, and his versatility and brains are always touted.  Hasn't been on the IR much/at all this season.  Re-sign.

Kyrie may get the Jeffcoat treatment.  We'll see if he can make it back for GC.


Cole might be the odd man out, but he sure is working his butt off to prove his value.  Did you see him in the last game?  He was all over the place faster than you can say Cole -- on ST and D.

My worry remains: who's the brains of the operation when Biggie is out?  Jones doesn't strike me as that type.  Ayers I don't know enough about yet.  Gauthier has it, but he's not every-down.  No idea on Cole.

Maybe BA37 can direct everything from FS?  Who knows what they're doing out there the last 2 weeks, but it worked.

Problem is Gauthier isn't making plays all over the field. 15 games, 5 DTs, 10 STs. Healthy yes, playing like 2022, NO.

[Sir Blue and Gold]

The 2025 starting linebackers: Ayers, Jones, Kramdi with Cole and Gauthier as depth and a new find or two from scouting seems reasonable and arguably better than this year's combo to start the season.

[Blue In BC]

Griffin has been very good and is getting a lot of reps on defence. I think both he and Ayers have passed Cole on the depth chart. However, Cole has been above average in his role.

Griffin is probably on a 1 year deal as well but I'd like to see him returning in 2025.

Competition in TC with a few new players will answer a few questions. Early injuries in TC usually has an impact with a few 1 game IR situations.

[Pigskin]

Griffin has been very good and is getting a lot of reps on defence. I think both he and Ayers have passed Cole on the depth chart. However, Cole has been above average in his role.

Griffin is probably on a 1 year deal as well but I'd like to see him returning in 2025.

Competition in TC with a few new players will answer a few questions. Early injuries in TC usually has an impact with a few 1 game IR situations.

Yes, I would like to see Griffin in the mix. Good size and excellent speed. 19 DTs as a backup LB, and 15 STs which is second on the team.

[LXTSN]

Jones @MLB or WILL is priority.  I assume we only gave him a rest-of-season contract.  We should sign him to a 2Y like yesterday.

Gauthier is still all over the place making plays on ST and D, and his versatility and brains are always touted.  Hasn't been on the IR much/at all this season.  Re-sign.

Kyrie may get the Jeffcoat treatment.  We'll see if he can make it back for GC.

Cole might be the odd man out, but he sure is working his butt off to prove his value.  Did you see him in the last game?  He was all over the place faster than you can say Cole -- on ST and D.

My worry remains: who's the brains of the operation when Biggie is out?  Jones doesn't strike me as that type.  Ayers I don't know enough about yet.  Gauthier has it, but he's not every-down.  No idea on Cole.

Maybe BA37 can direct everything from FS?  Who knows what they're doing out there the last 2 weeks, but it worked.

Without biggie Jones has done great! I think with the help of veterans at each of the other defensive positions, this will be a non-issue. We have Nichols, Alexander, and Willie all helping out. Plus I do think Jones is a very smart linebacker.

[Sir Blue and Gold]

My worry remains: who's the brains of the operation when Biggie is out?  Jones doesn't strike me as that type.  Ayers I don't know enough about yet.  Gauthier has it, but he's not every-down.  No idea on Cole.

I think a bit too much emphasis is placed on Bighill's brains. Sure, he's a smart player who has seen it all but he doesn't telepathically move everyone's feet when the play starts. He fills gaps and makes some adjustments. The  defensive coordinator's gameplan, scheme and play calling has far, far greater impact on the cohesiveness of the unit than Bighill's on the fly experience. I don't want to discount it but it's certainly not a deal breaker. We've had good linebacker play since he's been out and the truth is some of the plays they've made since he's been out are ones Bighill probably doesn't make any more.

[LXTSN]

Really liking what I've seen so far from Griffin. He has shown flashes on special teams, and when he's on defence he is now making plays too! There hasn't been much talk of him until this week. I think that's similar to Kramdi last season, because of the position they play, there isn't that much to criticize or praise unless they get a sack or a knockdown.

Ayers is another who has been great on special teams and now is getting a chance to play on defence also. I can see him (only 25) as a long term player on this defense! Very fast and good at finding the holes and attacking with timing.

[LXTSN]

I think a bit too much emphasis is placed on Bighill's brains. Sure, he's a smart player who has seen it all but he doesn't telepathically move everyone's feet when the play starts. He fills gaps and makes some adjustments. The  defensive coordinator's gameplan, scheme and play calling has far, far greater impact on the cohesiveness of the unit than Bighill's on the fly experience. I don't want to discount it but it's certainly not a deal breaker. We've had good linebacker play since he's been out and the truth is some of the plays they've made since he's been out are ones Bighill probably doesn't make any more.

Agreed. Sam Hurl was a very smart football player too, but just didn't have the ability. Glad to have moved on from him!

[Sir Blue and Gold]

Yes, I would like to see Griffin in the mix. Good size and excellent speed. 19 DTs as a backup LB, and 15 STs which is second on the team.

Kramdi, Cole and Griffin all seem like strong-side linebackers though. And as long as Kramdi is here and playing at a fairly high level Cole and Griffin are not going to be starting due to their passport. I don't mind the idea of putting Griffin in for Ayers or whomever is at WILL in passing downs or instead of the 4th defensive lineman, but he's always going to be more situational with Kramdi starting.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

Biggie comes back if:

1. he wants to (vs retire)
2. he gets no bonus (to shield our SMS hit when he gets 6GIR'd)
3. wants reasonable pay
4. can be incentive-laden pay

I can't see Mafia "dissing" him like they (reportedly and one-sidedly) did other recent departing players.  That means Mafia has to give him a call to at least discuss options.  From all accounts Biggie has always remained the consummate team player, pro, and general stand-up guy.  That goes a long way with MOS.

Biggie may be ROH-worthy.

I worry if O'Shea sees Biggie working super hard on his recovery and comeback he's going to hand his job back as soon as he's ready without deep consideration of the implications of that move. It could mean they toss Jones to the side as soon as he comes back, or relegate him to a backup role once again. At most Biggie has a half season left in his body and it looks like it could be after Labour Day next season, with the GC at home it could make a nice Cinderella story but the odds are always long everything works out as planned.

[Jesse]

Kramdi, Cole and Griffin all seem like strong-side linebackers though. And as long as Kramdi is here and playing at a fairly high level Cole and Griffin are not going to be starting due to their passport. I don't mind the idea of putting Griffin in for Ayers or whomever is at WILL in passing downs or instead of the 4th defensive lineman, but he's always going to be more situational with Kramdi starting.

He's playing lots. I don't really care who the "starters" are on the depth chart. We play lots of different coverages and rotate personnel on top of that.

[Sir Blue and Gold]

He's playing lots. I don't really care who the "starters" are on the depth chart. We play lots of different coverages and rotate personnel on top of that.

Totally. Except starters matter when Kramdi is Canadian and Griffin is not. Griffin needs to come on for an American which in practice means either the weak-side linebacker or a defensive lineman not named Jake Thomas. Maybe they see Griffin as an option at a different position next year but I think rotationally he's sorta maxed out in terms of how much more he can play now.

[J5V]

Really liking what I've seen so far from Griffin. He has shown flashes on special teams, and when he's on defence he is now making plays too! There hasn't been much talk of him until this week. I think that's similar to Kramdi last season, because of the position they play, there isn't that much to criticize or praise unless they get a sack or a knockdown.

Ayers is another who has been great on special teams and now is getting a chance to play on defence also. I can see him (only 25) as a long term player on this defense! Very fast and good at finding the holes and attacking with timing.

I agree 100%. I've been very impressed with both of those players. Griffin was excellent against the Elks and Ayers was noticeable too. If we noticed, you can bet O'Shea noticed.

[Blueforlife]

I think a bit too much emphasis is placed on Bighill's brains. Sure, he's a smart player who has seen it all but he doesn't telepathically move everyone's feet when the play starts. He fills gaps and makes some adjustments. The  defensive coordinator's gameplan, scheme and play calling has far, far greater impact on the cohesiveness of the unit than Bighill's on the fly experience. I don't want to discount it but it's certainly not a deal breaker. We've had good linebacker play since he's been out and the truth is some of the plays they've made since he's been out are ones Bighill probably doesn't make any more.

Bighill is a generational talent because of his physical play and the way he sees, calls and reacts to the game.  His leadership skills are world class.  Under estimating the importance of his "brains".  Yes he has declined a bit but still was getting it done imo.

[dd]

Our defense hasn't missed a beat with Bighill being out, so I can't see us offering up top dollar to a player that is playing his last season, especially if that means we lose one of the young up and coming LB who has been playing since his injury. I am hoping Bighill realizes where he is in his career and doesn't pull a Harris and go off in a tyraid and play somewhere else for big $$. I'd prefer he stay here, earn a fair salary and work him into the rotation so he can play his final season out here and help further develop the talent we have here.

[ichabod_crane]

Bighill is a generational talent because of his physical play and the way he sees, calls and reacts to the game.  His leadership skills are world class.  Under estimating the importance of his "brains".  Yes he has declined a bit but still was getting it done imo.

I guess you are forgetting last years Grey Cup...the guy should have been on the sidelines and gave up one of the Als passing TD's which was his coverage. Everyone has their time in the sun, but Biggie's in a sunset now it seems unless he is Methuselah!! Maybe Linebackers coach next season if he wants to keep his nose in the game. Not sure if he wants to coach though. Home Grey Cup next season MAY be a consideration, but still seems like a longshot.

[Blueforlife]

I guess you are forgetting last years Grey Cup...the guy should have been on the sidelines and gave up one of the Als passing TD's which was his coverage. Everyone has their time in the sun, but Biggie's in a sunset now it seems unless he is Methuselah!! Maybe Linebackers coach next season if he wants to keep his nose in the game. Not sure if he wants to coach though. Home Grey Cup next season MAY be a consideration, but still seems like a longshot.

Biggie helped us get the cups we won.  Yes he will get burnt like almost anyone.  Not here to debate Biggie's future which is uncertain for sure.  I wanted to state my opinion of how valuable he was (is) because of his exceptional knowledge of the game.  Generational talent imo.

[TecnoGenius]

Griffin has been very good and is getting a lot of reps on defence. I think both he and Ayers have passed Cole on the depth chart. However, Cole has been above average in his role.

Griffin has been a great find.  He's probably been more impactful than Ayers.  What's Griffin's natural position?  He could be a future starter.

[TecnoGenius]

Without biggie Jones has done great! I think with the help of veterans at each of the other defensive positions, this will be a non-issue. We have Nichols, Alexander, and Willie all helping out. Plus I do think Jones is a very smart linebacker.

I forgot about Kramdi, he may now be the "brains" of the Ayers-Jones-Kramdi operation.  And Gauthier when he's in for special sets.  MOS has touted Kramdi as critical to the whole operation.

I do believe you need a "QB of the D", and you can usually see them pointing and yelling out positional adjustments to other guys.  Biggie does that all the time.

The DC can make calls all they want, and unit coordinators can bark out orders, but if things aren't 100% perfect once they get out there, it's up to the "smart guys" on the D to correct it, as well as dealing with pre-snap motion/changes by the O.

[Blueforlife]

I forgot about Kramdi, he may now be the "brains" of the Ayers-Jones-Kramdi operation.  And Gauthier when he's in for special sets.  MOS has touted Kramdi as critical to the whole operation.

I do believe you need a "QB of the D", and you can usually see them pointing and yelling out positional adjustments to other guys.  Biggie does that all the time.

The DC can make calls all they want, and unit coordinators can bark out orders, but if things aren't 100% perfect once they get out there, it's up to the "smart guys" on the D to correct it, as well as dealing with pre-snap motion/changes by the O.

Kramdi thinks the game well, my memory is poor but I think MOS commented on this when he was developing.  Some were hard on him as he learned the game.  Patience paid off with him big time.  He hasn't hit his full potential yet imo.

[theaardvark]

Griffin has been a great find.  He's probably been more impactful than Ayers.  What's Griffin's natural position?  He could be a future starter.

I think Griffin is BA's replacement eventually. 

Kramdi thinks the game well, my memory is poor but I think MOS commented on this when he was developing.  Some were hard on him as he learned the game.  Patience paid off with him big time.  He hasn't hit his full potential yet imo.

I always liked Kramdi's "boom".  He brings it big time, and his smart play is paying off as well.  He still gets in trouble a bit, biting here and there on plays, but makes up for it right away.  He seems to get better after an oopsie.  It seems to me that when I notice him for a bad readon, the next play I notice him for a very good reason.

Ayers has been a ST demon, and has made his fair share of D plays, considering his opportunities. 

Ayers/Jones/Kramdi  is not a LB corps I'm worried about fielding.
 

[Pete]

The thing that is concerning is who do we have behind Jones? Gautier isn't an every down mlb. We are getting thin at this posion along with DE

[J5V]

I forgot about Kramdi, he may now be the "brains" of the Ayers-Jones-Kramdi operation.  And Gauthier when he's in for special sets.  MOS has touted Kramdi as critical to the whole operation.

I do believe you need a "QB of the D", and you can usually see them pointing and yelling out positional adjustments to other guys.  Biggie does that all the time.

The DC can make calls all they want, and unit coordinators can bark out orders, but if things aren't 100% perfect once they get out there, it's up to the "smart guys" on the D to correct it, as well as dealing with pre-snap motion/changes by the O.

Oh yeah, it's wild! The offense sets up, the D audibles, the O sees the D adjust and audibles, then the D audibles again ... the two sides trying to outsmart one another. It's a chess game out there. LOL! I love it!

[Blue In BC]

The thing that is concerning is who do we have behind Jones? Gautier isn't an every down mlb. We are getting thin at this posion along with DE

 I think Ayers moves to MLB and Cole moves to WIL if we suffer another injury. However I don't know if we've heard that Bighill is finished for the season.

For all we know he's back this week. I'm not expecting that but I wouldn't rule out anything quite yet.

[Sir Blue and Gold]

I think Ayers moves to MLB and Cole moves to WIL if we suffer another injury. However I don't know if we've heard that Bighill is finished for the season.

For all we know he's back this week. I'm not expecting that but I wouldn't rule out anything quite yet.

We have.

https://www.tsn.ca/cfl/winnipeg-blue-bombers-lb-adam-bighill-announces-season-ending-knee-surgery-1.2176592

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

The thing that is concerning is who do we have behind Jones? Gautier isn't an every down mlb. We are getting thin at this posion along with DE

Max Charbonneau is listed on the depth chart behind Gauthier, he has great size and played well in the pre-season games but can't say I've noticed him much during the regular season.  Gauthier has filled in adequately for entire games the past few years without causing any terrible breakdowns.  As long as he's spelled out on passing downs I don't think there would be any cause for alarm if he was forced to start.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

I think Griffin is BA's replacement eventually. 
 

Great interview with BA, did not realize he's made Wpg. his permanent home for the last 3 years.

[Blueforlife]

I think Griffin is BA's replacement eventually. 

I always liked Kramdi's "boom".  He brings it big time, and his smart play is paying off as well.  He still gets in trouble a bit, biting here and there on plays, but makes up for it right away.  He seems to get better after an oopsie.  It seems to me that when I notice him for a bad readon, the next play I notice him for a very good reason.

Ayers has been a ST demon, and has made his fair share of D plays, considering his opportunities. 

Ayers/Jones/Kramdi  is not a LB corps I'm worried about fielding.
 

When I mentioned Kramdi's ability to think the game I also wanted to post what you mentioned.  He has the grit and the ability to jolt guys.  He has the motor.  Agree when he failed he improves.  A gem of a find for us.  Lots of bird for folks to eat on Kramdi but thanks giving is coming so I won't mail any out.  LOL
You are right that trio is just fine.

The thing that is concerning is who do we have behind Jones? Gautier isn't an every down mlb. We are getting thin at this posion along with DE

we have depth in many developing names just no stars (yet), non issue handled internally

I think Ayers moves to MLB and Cole moves to WIL if we suffer another injury. However I don't know if we've heard that Bighill is finished for the season.

For all we know he's back this week. I'm not expecting that but I wouldn't rule out anything quite yet.

something like that yes

Max Charbonneau is listed on the depth chart behind Gauthier, he has great size and played well in the pre-season games but can't say I've noticed him much during the regular season.  Gauthier has filled in adequately for entire games the past few years without causing any terrible breakdowns.  As long as he's spelled out on passing downs I don't think there would be any cause for alarm if he was forced to start.

Gauthier a beast against the run, yes issue is pass D.  Hopefully Max can develop.  Next man up is working in Bomberland and has for years. 

[Sir Blue and Gold]

Gauthier a beast against the run, yes issue is pass D. 

Since Bighill's been out Gauthier has a grand total of 2 defensive tackles (5 for the entire campaign) but sure, what a beast.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

Since Bighill's been out Gauthier has a grand total of 2 defensive tackles (5 for the entire campaign) but sure, what a beast.

To be fair Gauthier hasn't played that many snaps this season, even when listed as the starting MLB earlier in the season when Bighill was out with injury, other LB's were taking the vast majority of the snaps.

[Blueforlife]

Since Bighill's been out Gauthier has a grand total of 2 defensive tackles (5 for the entire campaign) but sure, what a beast.

Gauthier is a beast against the run imo, he can plug the gaps and has the size to tackle.  Speed is his issue.  You just don't appear to like him.  Can't all be stars.  A good depth player.  Stats don't always paint the complete picture.  See below. I have defended him for years and Briggs before (opposite good against pass).

To be fair Gauthier hasn't played that many snaps this season, even when listed as the starting MLB earlier in the season when Bighill was out with injury, other LB's were taking the vast majority of the snaps.

He isn't interested in being fair it appears.  You make some great points here, thanks!  The power of this club is the rotation.  Everyone gets reps, everyone contributes, everyone develops, vets get a break.  It's working like clockwork.  I judge this club as a whole, wins and loses and winning is all we do.  Great time to be a Bomber fan.

[Pete]

The issue with Gautier is his speed, he just doesn't get to the ball carrier in time. even more an issue with pass protection. Ayers is too light to play mlb consistantly to meet rbs head on and is much more suited to the wil lb as is Cole. As far a Charboneau they don't seem to be using him in other than special teams so he's not a legitimate option at the current time.

[Sir Blue and Gold]

Gauthier is a beast against the run imo, he can plug the gaps and has the size to tackle.  Speed is his issue.  You just don't appear to like him.  Can't all be stars.

I don't dislike him. I even had a nice lunch with him this spring. He's a super nice guy and has recently started an electical company with his brother-in-law. He's on his 8th season in the CFL, all with Winnipeg. Married a woman from Winnipeg.

I am just pointing out I don't believe he's a "beast" against the run with five tackles all year and two in the last five weeks. And okay, sure, he hasn't taken a lot of defensive snaps. Would you like to venture a guess as to why that might be?

[dd]

I don't dislike him. I even had a nice lunch with him this spring. He's a super nice guy and has recently started an electical company with his brother-in-law. He's on his 8th season in the CFL, all with Winnipeg. Married a woman from Winnipeg.

I am just pointing out I don't believe he's a "beast" against the run with five tackles all year and two in the last five weeks. And okay, sure, he hasn't taken a lot of defensive snaps. Would you like to venture a guess as to why that might be?

Gauthier is a run stopper, so he comes in on predominantly 'run' downs ie short yardage situations. And he really brings the lumber in these situations. In passing situations, with his slower speed , he doesn't fair as well, so others are substituted in in these plays.

[Sir Blue and Gold]

Gauthier is a run stopper, so he comes in on predominantly 'run' downs ie short yardage situations. And he really brings the lumber in these situations. In passing situations, with his slower speed , he doesn't fair as well, so others are substituted in in these plays.

He really "brings the lumber" on whom? Did I miss the open field Gauthier hit package or something? He's a beast of a run stopper? When? Where? The plays don't exist.

Look, he's got 10 special teams tackles this year which is nothing to sneeze at. He's a heart and soul guy. Lifetime Blue Bomber. Obviously an endearing player. Not taking anything away from him there. But you can awknowlege and appreciate the player without pretending he's something he's not.

You can't be a "run stopping MLB" if you don't have tackles. You can't be a "beast against the run" if you don't actually stop the run in games.

[Blueforlife]

He really "brings the lumber" on whom? Did I miss the open field Gauthier hit package or something? He's a beast of a run stopper? When? Where? The plays don't exist.

Look, he's got 10 special teams tackles this year which is nothing to sneeze at. He's a heart and soul guy. Lifetime Blue Bomber. Obviously an endearing player. Not taking anything away from him there. But you can awknowlege and appreciate the player without pretending he's something he's not.

You can't be a "run stopping MLB" if you don't have tackles. You can't be a "beast against the run" if you don't actually stop the run in games.

Two people think he is good against the run, you don't think so.  Truth in the middle.

He gets snaps because he can fill in well as needed, good depth player against the run.  Why do you think it would be that he is on the roster if he can't perform well?

[Sir Blue and Gold]

Two people think he is good against the run, you don't think so.  Truth in the middle.

He gets snaps because he can fill in well as needed, good depth player against the run.  Why do you think it would be that he is on the roster if he can't perform well?

Correction: you think he's a "beast" against the run.

I think it's pretty obvious that he, in fact, hasn't stopped the run all year (or in 2023, despite our starting MLB missing lots of snaps both years) but I understand why you and others want to cheer him on. I'm also hoping he does well when he's in there but I'll go with "endearing veteran" versus "run stopping MLB" or "run stopping beast", until like, we have to start using more than two hands to count a season's worth of tackles. It's okay to say our players have limitations when they do. You can still be a good fan and speak a pretty obvious truth.

[Blueforlife]

Correction: you think he's a "beast" against the run.

I think it's pretty obvious that he, in fact, hasn't stopped the run all year (or in 2023, despite our starting MLB missing lots of snaps both years) but I understand why you and others want to cheer him on. I'm also hoping he does well when he's in there but I'll go with "endearing veteran" versus "run stopping MLB" or "run stopping beast", until like, we have to start using more than two hands to count a season's worth of tackles. It's okay to say our players have limitations when they do. You can still be a good fan and speak a pretty obvious truth.

I use the term beast as it relates to one's physical play.  Thus it's a fitting description of him based on my previous use of language on here.  When a player has a good physical game on defence or special teams, comanding pressence, I also use the term.  My word choices makes it a little confusing at times.

To suggest that he hasn't stopped the run for two years shows your bias against him and is not correct.  He is specifically on the field for that purpose, he used to rotate in on the runs and out for the pass (w/ Briggs).  You have clearly stated your opinion on his and Briggs play in the past, failing to give them props for the specialist role they play and slightly understating their contributions to the club.  At least one other poster has agreed about his ability to stop the run on short yardage.

Truth somewhere in the middle of two strong positions here.

[Blue In BC]

Two people think he is good against the run, you don't think so.  Truth in the middle.

He gets snaps because he can fill in well as needed, good depth player against the run.  Why do you think it would be that he is on the roster if he can't perform well?

He gets snaps because of the ratio. Truth is not in the middle. As an aging veteran he is average at best on defence and is getting less and less snaps.

His best play is on ST's.

[Blueforlife]

He gets snaps because of the ratio. Truth is not in the middle. As an aging veteran he is average at best on defence and is getting less and less snaps.

His best play is on ST's.

There it is.  The real reason why you are understating his contribution.  Your view on having guaranteed roster spots for Canadians is well documented.
 Canadians are a critical part of all CFL clubs, always has been, always will be.  He is playing because he is our best Canadian rotational player that can stop the run.
Truth is in the middle you are slightly understating his role and I'm slightly overstating it.

Agree about STs

[Sir Blue and Gold]

I use the term beast as it relates to one's physical play.  Thus it's a fitting description of him based on my previous use of language on here.  When a player has a good physical game on defence or special teams, comanding pressence, I also use the term.  My word choices makes it a little confusing at times.

To suggest that he hasn't stopped the run for two years shows your bias against him and is not correct. He is specifically on the field for that purpose, he used to rotate in on the runs and out for the pass (w/ Briggs).  You have clearly stated your opinion on his and Briggs play in the past, failing to give them props for the specialist role they play and slightly understating their contributions to the club.  At least one other poster has agreed about his ability to stop the run on short yardage.

Truth somewhere in the middle of two strong positions here.

I am not sure what is making me biased in this scenario. I gave him credit for his length of service, experience and leadership which are legitimate positives. I made mention of his 10 special teams tackles which is important. I get that his role should be to stop the run. That's the primary role of any middle linebacker, isn't that 100% obvious? Find the gap, fill it: that's basic MLB coaching and function at the amateur level. I am just pointing out through stats over 15 games this season that he isn't doing that. Pretty black and white.

[Blueforlife]

I am not sure what is making me biased in this scenario. I gave him credit for his length of service, experience and leadership which are legitimate positives. I made mention of his 10 special teams tackles which is important. I get that his role should be to stop the run. That's the primary role of any middle linebacker, isn't that 100% obvious? Find the gap, fill it: that's basic MLB coaching and function at the amateur level. I am just pointing out through stats over 15 games this season that he isn't doing that. Pretty black and white.

We can agree to disagree that he can stop the run.  Imo, if he couldn't he wouldn't have played so many reps at LB for us.

[theaardvark]

I don't dislike him. I even had a nice lunch with him this spring. He's a super nice guy and has recently started an electical company with his brother-in-law. He's on his 8th season in the CFL, all with Winnipeg. Married a woman from Winnipeg.

I am just pointing out I don't believe he's a "beast" against the run with five tackles all year and two in the last five weeks. And okay, sure, he hasn't taken a lot of defensive snaps. Would you like to venture a guess as to why that might be?

Just because a guy isn't credited with a tackle (only one deos per play) does not mean he cannot be integral in making the stop.  He fills the gap and pushes back.  And even if he doesn't make first contact with a runner, you can bet he's making last contact to prevent yards after contact.

[Blueforlife]

Just because a guy isn't credited with a tackle (only one deos per play) does not mean he cannot be integral in making the stop.  He fills the gap and pushes back.  And even if he doesn't make first contact with a runner, you can bet he's making last contact to prevent yards after contact.

Facts are presented above

People try to use the same argument on Jake (stats), as he continues to start, rotate and is a key cog in our lineup.

Football is won as a team not on the stats sheet.  Yes you need your stars but most of your success is on the back of your depth.

[Pigskin]

Yes, Gauthier has not had a great year. I think last year injuries have taken it's toll on him. Doesn't have that quickness he once had. But, still pretty good on teams, and short yardage. 

2021: 12 Games, 15 DTs, 9 STs.
2022: 13 Games, 28 DTs, 5 STs.
2023:  6 Games,  6 DTs, 3 STs.
2024: 15 Games,  5 DTs, 10 STs.

[Blue In BC]

There it is.  The real reason why you are understating his contribution.  Your view on having guaranteed roster spots for Canadians is well documented.
 Canadians are a critical part of all CFL clubs, always has been, always will be.  He is playing because he is our best Canadian rotational player that can stop the run.
Truth is in the middle you are slightly understating his role and I'm slightly overstating it.

Agree about STs

To use something similar ( opposite ) to your favourite saying: Overstated in the positive.

His value is on ST's but his days of being a good MLB are behind him.  Just look at the plays Jones makes and then compare that to Gauthier.

Evaluation of any roster is from top to bottom of each nationality, is a look at age, SMS and contribution. In effect which players are those that a team would least likely not want to lose.  Upside or downside.

You've never seen a Bomber of either nationality that you didn't think should be on the team.  I could care less whether he's a Canadian or an Import.

[theaardvark]

Regardless his D participation, he is worth having on the team for ST's alnoe.  Any D snap is bonus

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=502572940384831

The chase down tackle is at about the 2 minute mark...

It also shows his blocking at the point of catch, Grant got a lot of head starts because Gauthier neutralized the gunner.

[markf]

Regardless his D participation, he is worth having on the team for ST's alnoe.  Any D snap is bonus

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=502572940384831

Great video.I did not realize how good he is. Thanks.

Gauthier... Future Blue Bomber coach?

[Blue In BC]

Great video.I did not realize how good he is. Thanks.

Gauthier... Future Blue Bomber coach?

Noting that your video was not from 2024 and also shows Briggs, now retired. It comes to every player at one point or another. Age, Injuries, SMS and succession need to be considered. Looking at that video, there are quite a few players no longer on the team, or any team for that matter.

He might be a candidate as a coach if he has interest. Mike Miller has that locked down at the moment so I don't know where there is a spot for him in the near future.

Gauthier could be back in 2025 but that is not certain. Every year we have 3 or 4 draft choices that make the AR. They tend to replace the older vets on the downside or those lost in free agency.

[theaardvark]

Noting that your video was not from 2024 and also shows Briggs, now retired. It comes to every player at one point or another. Age, Injuries, SMS and succession need to be considered.

He might be a candidate as a coach if he has interest. Mike Miller has that locked down at the moment so I don't know where there is a spot for him in the near future.

Gauthier could be back in 2025 but that is not certain. Every year we have 3 or 4 draft choices that make the AR. They tend to replace the older vets on the downside or those lost in free agency.

The video showcases his game saving tackle, which was what I was looking for.  The facebook clip shows the Hansen twofer tackle, and the 44 chasedown.  But the youtube clip has more.

Future coach?  well, like you say, Miller has the ST coordinator spot locked up as long as the mafia is in charge.  But there are LB coaches, and other spots.  Sounds like he's a Bomber for life and a Winnipegger beyond his career.

[Blue In BC]

The video showcases his game saving tackle, which was what I was looking for.  The facebook clip shows the Hansen twofer tackle, and the 44 chasedown.  But the youtube clip has more.

Future coach?  well, like you say, Miller has the ST coordinator spot locked up as long as the mafia is in charge.  But there are LB coaches, and other spots.  Sounds like he's a Bomber for life and a Winnipegger beyond his career.

It always depends on which if any of our coaches choose to move on and how it relates to when a player retires. Neither of those questions are known at the moment.

I don't think he's a high SMS player and he may be back in 2025 with a reduced role on defence but an experienced ST player.

Free agency losses and draft choices will decide some changes in 2025.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

The video showcases his game saving tackle, which was what I was looking for.  The facebook clip shows the Hansen twofer tackle, and the 44 chasedown.  But the youtube clip has more.

Future coach?  well, like you say, Miller has the ST coordinator spot locked up as long as the mafia is in charge.  But there are LB coaches, and other spots.  Sounds like he's a Bomber for life and a Winnipegger beyond his career.

Don't know where I heard it but Gauthier married a Wpg. girl and has set up an electrical business with his brother-in-law, so his transition from football is already shaping up.

[theaardvark]

Don't know where I heard it but Gauthier married a Wpg. girl and has set up an electrical business with his brother-in-law, so his transition from football is already shaping up.

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[Throw Long Bannatyne]

Post #42 in this thread

Well there you go, it's true!

[Blueforlife]

To use something similar ( opposite ) to your favourite saying: Overstated in the positive.

His value is on ST's but his days of being a good MLB are behind him.  Just look at the plays Jones makes and then compare that to Gauthier.

Evaluation of any roster is from top to bottom of each nationality, is a look at age, SMS and contribution. In effect which players are those that a team would least likely not want to lose.  Upside or downside.

You've never seen a Bomber of either nationality that you didn't think should be on the team.  I could care less whether he's a Canadian or an Import.

There it is you can't have a discussion without a personal shot or making thing ups about me that are not true (that's really getting old man, please stop that, you have done that for years).  I have been a strong supporter of the Bombers, player, coaches, management during this mini-dynasty.  But I've been on here long enough to have had a variety of opinions on this club over the years.  I post what I think (good, bad and ugly).  Please don't over generalize.  You have stated your opinion on Gauthier and so have I.  Let's leave it at that.  My statement about him was that he was a good run stopper.  That is all.  Good to know you don't view players different based on where they are from.  Sorry for suggesting otherwise.

Thanks to the person that posted the video.  Nothing more factual than film!

[Blue In BC]

There it is you can't have a discussion without a personal shot or making thing ups about me that are not true.  I have been a strong supporter of the Bombers, player, coaches, management during this mini-dynasty.  But I've been on here long enough to have had a variety of opinions on this club over the years.  I post what I think (good, bad and ugly).  Please don't over generalize.  You have stated your opinion on Gauthier and so have I.  Let's leave it at that.  My statement about him was that he was a good run stopper.  That is all.

Thanks to the person that posted the video.  Nothing more factual than film!

It's not a personal attack. It's a comment about a poster that always leans to the positive even when the facts don't support that statement. He's seeing the field less and less except on very short downs. He is no longer seeing downs where it might be either a pass or run on a consistent basis.

You look at things through a set very of blue tinted glasses.

You want to call it a personal attack, feel free. Nothing says you have to read or respond to any of my posts.

I'm sure someone if they wanted could post current season where tackles were missed or him in chase mode. Posting a highlight reel has about as much relevance as what we see for rookies going into TC.

As posted he had 1 more DT in 6 games than he has in 15 games in 2024. I don't need film to understand that but I watch every game at least one additional time. Perhaps you should do that and see when he is on the field and what he does on defence.

5 DT's in 15 games by any definition is not a good run stopper by anyone's opinion. It basically says he seldom on the field.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

The 2025 starting linebackers: Ayers, Jones, Kramdi with Cole and Gauthier as depth and a new find or two from scouting seems reasonable and arguably better than this year's combo to start the season.

Griffin has been very good and is getting a lot of reps on defence. I think both he and Ayers have passed Cole on the depth chart. However, Cole has been above average in his role.

Griffin is probably on a 1 year deal as well but I'd like to see him returning in 2025.

Competition in TC with a few new players will answer a few questions. Early injuries in TC usually has an impact with a few 1 game IR situations.

Walters has done a fantastic job of restocking the team through draft choices and recruitment, no longer do they have bring in all-star players from other teams as the core to build the team around. Bighill, Collaros, Willie and Stanley are the only blocks left and within a few short years they'll all be gone.

[Blueforlife]

It's not a personal attack. It's a comment about a poster that always leans to the positive even when the facts don't support that statement. He's seeing the field less and less except on very short downs. He is no longer seeing downs where it might be either a pass or run on a consistent basis.

You look at things through a set very of blue tinted glasses.

You want to call it a personal attack, feel free. Nothing says you have to read or respond to any of my posts.

I'm sure someone if they wanted could post current season where tackles were missed or him in chase mode. Posting a highlight reel has about as much relevance as what we see for rookies going into TC.

As posted he had 1 more DT in 6 games than he has in 15 games in 2024. I don't need film to understand that but I watch every game at least one additional time. Perhaps you should do that and see when he is on the field and what he does on defence.

5 DT's in 15 games by any definition is not a good run stopper by anyone's opinion. It basically says he seldom on the field.

I'll accept it's not a personal attack but you double down on being wrong on your statement that I'm only positive (that's your opinion, which I disagree with and don't appreciate).  I am here to debate the club in all ways not just positive.  I am sick of your lies about me.  Please stop.  You have done this repeatedly in the past.  I have been positive as of late, hell yes! But that's not all I am.  Focus on football, not me.  I have been on this forum for what maybe 10 years, not sure but I have seen and commented on very bad teams, average teams and most recently a historic exceptional run.  Good, bad and ugly positions on players, coaches and management have always been my thing.  An example.  I hated Lapo many years ago.  I posted as such.  I didn't like when he came back.  I came around and ate crow on that and I love him now.  Full circle my friend.  All posted on the interweb for all to see to the end of time.  Grab a coffee and search for PJ, yeah super positive mini-dynasty but you will see the glasses were tinted a little less at times.  It's like skiing, swap the goggle lens as needed but the one you like the most stay on most the time.  When Troy Copp is your QB take all eyewear off and replace with bag.

This year I was full blue glasses(to start season), they got kicked off my face and I thought ok we will be 8-10, then we won a few and I said 10-8.  Glasses currently spray pained dark blue but it's water based paint so I can remove the tint if we tank.

Gauthier is a good run stopper that's my opinion.  I and others have countered yours.  Truth in the middle, imo.  Stats don't tell the entire story.  Has been and always will be a rotational player.  We have deep at LB and we are giving all the new faces reps.  Part of next man up.  Gauthier will prove his worth the remainder of the season with his ability to be nothing but consistent, just like Jake (both good against the run imo).  Both at the tail end but don't write them off yet.  Key depth players imo.  Jake getting more reps so more valuable imo.  Let's please leave it at that and move on.  Agree to disagree. 

Full disclosure I'm a big time supporter of the depth player and vet.

example, 20 years an oilers fan, been through it all, my favorite players are Hemsky and The Nuge.  Ok the Nuge is not a depth guy but kinda when surrounded by the best, opps is this an Oilers forum?

let's just keep it clean please, nobody wants to see the back and forth banter

[Jesse]

Yes, Gauthier has not had a great year. I think last year injuries have taken it's toll on him. Doesn't have that quickness he once had. But, still pretty good on teams, and short yardage. 

2021: 12 Games, 15 DTs, 9 STs.
2022: 13 Games, 28 DTs, 5 STs.
2023:  6 Games,  6 DTs, 3 STs.
2024: 15 Games,  5 DTs, 10 STs.

This tells the story.

[Blue In BC]

I'll accept it's not a personal attack but you double down on being wrong on your statement that I'm only positive.  I am here to debate the club in all ways not just positive.  I am sick of your lies about me.  Please stop.  You have done this repeatedly in the past.  I have been positive as of late, hell yes! But that's not all I am.  Focus on football, not me.  I have been on this forum for what maybe 10 years, not sure but I have seen and commented on very bad teams, average teams and most recently a historic exceptional run.  Good, bad and ugly positions on players, coaches and management have always been my thing.  An example.  I hated Lapo many years ago.  I posted as such.  I didn't like when he came back.  I came around and ate crow on that and I love him now.  Full circle my friend.  All posted on the interweb for all to see to the end of time.  Grab a coffee and search for PJ, yeah super positive mini-dynasty but you will see the glasses were tinted a little less at times.  It's like skiing, swap the goggle lens as needed but the one you like the most stay on most the time.  When Troy Copp is your QB take all eyewear off and replace with bag.

This year I was full blue glasses(to start season), they got kicked off my face and I thought ok we will be 8-10, then we won a few and I said 10-8.  Glasses currently spray pained dark blue but it's water based paint so I can remove the tint if we tank.

Gauthier is a good run stopper that's my opinion.  I and others have countered yours.  Truth in the middle, imo.  Stats don't tell the entire story.  Has been and always will be a rotational player.  We have deep at LB and we are giving all the new faces reps.  Part of next man up.  Gauthier will prove his worth the remainder of the season with his ability to be nothing but consistent, just like Jake (both good against the run imo).  Both at the tail end but don't write them off yet.  Key depth players imo.  Jake getting more reps so more valuable imo.  Let's please leave it at that and move on.  Agree to disagree. 

Full disclosure I'm a big time supporter of the depth player and vet.

example, 20 years an oilers fan, been through it all, my favorite players are Hemsky and The Nuge.  Ok the Nuge is not a depth guy but kinda when surrounded by the best, opps is this an Oilers forum?

let's just keep it clean please, nobody wants to see the back and forth banter

Using the opposite of your " over stated in the negative " as over stated in the positive does not say you are ONLY positive. It says you are unreasonably biased when info doesn't support your opinion.

You and 3 guys in the corner doesn't represent a middle position.

[Blueforlife]

Using the opposite of your " over stated in the negative " as over stated in the positive does not say you are ONLY positive. It says you are unreasonably biased when info doesn't support your opinion.

You and 3 guys in the corner doesn't represent a middle position.

You have repeatedly said I'm only positive.  Not sure what you are going on about.  My turn for fun, you are understating how negative about me you are coming across while overstating about me being positive all the time.  Pretty positive I'm right LOL.

I said Gauthier was good against the run.  You said the opposite.  We both expressed our opinions.  By suggesting repeatedly that the truth was in the middle suggests I'm listening to your side.  You have dug in hard on this, won't listen to me or others people's opinions on it.  None of us are right.  We are just debating, the truth about Gauthier and his play would be known by him and his coaches.  Agree to disagree. 

If someone went through all the film for every down he played his entire career we could settle it.  Ok the coaches and Gauthier would have to be their for comments and Bob Irving would have to chime in and he would have final veto power.  If the players all had accounts we could open up a poll for them and we would arrive at an answer pretty close to the truth as well.  My gut tells me most would say he's good against the run.  Could be some home bias in the room.

You posted something that wasn't true about me only being positive, which is a lie and you have done this repeatedly in the past.  This isn't about my bias and opinion, I was upset b/c you lied.  I call it like it is and I try never to lie as best I can.  That is all. If you can stop that it would make this place more functional and I would greatly appreciate that. 

Let's leave this matter behind us and move on please.  All I ask is to consider not posting things about that are not true.

The discussion about our LBs is critical for our continued success.  I like the topic and thread but it's taken turn into a worm hole.

[Blue In BC]

Here are some stats. Last 2 games the Elks ran 45 times for 349 yards. Gauthier had 2 DT's. I don't know how many reps he was on the field and / or for running plays but he certainly wasn't stopping much when he was on the field.

The other LB's in the last game: Kramdi, Jones, Griffin and Ayers had 13 DT's in total. Gauthier had 1. That should tell you all you need to know about his ability to stop the run. Also what he has done for the entirety of his career is irrelevant. It's what he's doing and is capable of now that is in question.

Jones had 3 TFL and Kramdi had 1 in the last game. Combined 9 DT's.

If you read the post that you quoted, I said you were overly positive not always positive. You repeated that error AGAIN  Go figure.

[Sir Blue and Gold]

I said Gauthier was good against the run.  You said the opposite.  We both expressed our opinions. 

All I ask is to consider not posting things about that are not true.

Your right to an opinion does not make the opinion valid. Whether an opinion is valuable or worth a dime depends on how you reached it.

And commeeee on. The bolded line is hilarious. Quite ironic.

[theaardvark]

This tells the story.

Look at the jump in ST when Miller retired...

[theaardvark]

Here are some stats. Last 2 games the Elks ran 45 times for 349 yards. Gauthier had 2 DT's. I don't know how many reps he was on the field and / or for running plays but he certainly wasn't stopping much when he was on the field.

The other LB's in the last game: Kramdi, Jones, Griffin and Ayers had 13 DT's in total. Gauthier had 1. That should tell you all you need to know about his ability to stop the run. Also what he has done for the entirety of his career is irrelevant. It's what he's doing and is capable of now that is in question.

Jones had 3 TFL and Kramdi had 1 in the last game. Combined 9 DT's.

If you read the post that you quoted, I said you were overly positive not always positive. You repeated that error AGAIN  Go figure.

So, when a DB gets lots of tackles, that means he's playing great?  Or does it mean they are targeting him, and a DB that has fewer tackles, they are avoiding?

I'm not suggesting I have any proof or data, but maybe they are avoiding running at Gauthier...

[Blueforlife]

Your right to an opinion does not make the opinion valid. Whether an opinion is valuable or worth a dime depends on how you reached it.

And commeeee on. The bolded line is hilarious. Quite ironic.

Please avoid making this personal.  He had said something about me that wasn't true and has done so in the past.

If you read the post that you quoted, I said you were overly positive not always positive. You repeated that error AGAIN  Go figure.

Facts are you have routinely said things about me today and in the past that are not true, make posts personal and it's getting old.  Fact is you have routinely suggested I'm too positive, can't be critical of the Bombers and many times you suggested the Blue tinted glasses.  To suggest otherwise is another lie.  The truth shall set you free.

A easy way forward, talk about the Bombers not me.  State you opinion and facts.  Try to avoid telling things that are not true.

I value your opinion, knowledge and posts on here.  I don't value lies and when things are made personal.

Please let's move on.

[Sir Blue and Gold]

So, when a DB gets lots of tackles, that means he's playing great?  Or does it mean they are targeting him, and a DB that has fewer tackles, they are avoiding?

I'm not suggesting I have any proof or data, but maybe they are avoiding running at Gauthier...

Hey, at least that theory jives with the data. 

[Blue In BC]

So, when a DB gets lots of tackles, that means he's playing great?  Or does it mean they are targeting him, and a DB that has fewer tackles, they are avoiding?

I'm not suggesting I have any proof or data, but maybe they are avoiding running at Gauthier...

It may mean either of those is correct. A DB can be making a lot of tackles on players that are not his primary responsibility. Inside DHB for example can be the secondary ( not intended as a pun ) tackler due to middle of the field seeing a lot of activity. You'd have to watch a given game to figure some of that out and determine whether a given DT prevented a 1st down for example, or created a loss.

What you suggested about Gauthier could be true for him or others. However if you watch the games you see that his declining speed has become more of a factor. They are running around him or by him. This becomes more obvious when you see that his reps are being more limited as this season has progressed.

Bighill has 48 DT's this season. Do you think teams are running at him or running away from him? He's a run stopper that opponents have to game plan against. Compare that logic to Gauthier and you'll know the reality. Teams will run away from great tacklers with speed.

Even a blind man is going to knock down an opponent every now and then.

Jones continued to get more reps behind Bighill when Bighill was healthy. It was not Gauthier getting those reps any longer. Jones is now the 1st choice at MLB after Bighill's injury. That used to be Gauthier as the 1st choice.

Age has never been defeated.

[Jesse]

Look at the jump in ST when Miller retired...

There's no jump, it's just back at his usual pace.

And again - no one is arguing that's not a good special teamer. Just pointing out that through a combination of age, injury, and less opportunity, he's less effective as a rotational defensive piece than he used to be.

[Blue In BC]

Check stats for other MLB's

Awe: 134 DT's in 2023 18 games
    54 DT's in 2024 in 14 games

Bighill: 74 DT's in 2023 in 17 games
        48 DT's in 2024 in 10 games

Sankey:  31 DT's in 2023 in 6 games
        95 DT's in 2024 in 15 games


Now there is a lot to be said where on the field DT's are being made against overall impact to the game. What's clear is that they are sideline to sideline players and that they are play makers.

It's clear that a part time starter at MLB, or rotational /situational player isn't going to rack up anything proportional to those starters.

That said MLB's are run stopping players on a mission involved in initial and secondary tackling. Around most run plays etc etc. Teams will run away from those MLB's. In spite of that they rack up tackles every game.

Gauthier was the starting MLB in game 1 when Bighill was on 1 game IR. The Als didn't exactly rack up loads of yardage but Gauthier had zero stats. He may not have had the greatest number of reps, but that's pretty informative.

[TecnoGenius]

Well there you go, it's true!

If they are running a electrician business they should call themselves Blue Bombers Electrical and have the old lightning logo!

P.S. Gauthier's the one who MOS said barely spoke English when he arrived, right?  He could have a place coaching in MTL maybe: they place huge priority and bias on hiring Francophones.

[TecnoGenius]

Hey, at least that theory jives with the data. 

Gauthier's reps were very limited in the last game.  And not much more in the previous game.  At this point he's mostly for later-game sets.  We're rotating in the IMPs instead.  But Gauthier is hugely critical to the in-game injury scheme as he can play both MLB and WILL, and replace any nationality.

One thing I will say: he's not really ever the reason for a big bust, either run or pass.  I think he knows his assignments as well as anyone.

[J5V]

Gauthier's reps were very limited in the last game.  And not much more in the previous game.  At this point he's mostly for later-game sets.  We're rotating in the IMPs instead.  But Gauthier is hugely critical to the in-game injury scheme as he can play both MLB and WILL, and replace any nationality.

One thing I will say: he's not really ever the reason for a big bust, either run or pass.  I think he knows his assignments as well as anyone.

Yes, I get the impression that for Bomber players it's not necessarily the talent level or work ethic (although those are important considerations) but more a case of what's between the ears and I get the sense that Gauthier is one smart cookie and that he'll be successful in whatever endevor he ventures into.

[TecnoGenius]

Yes, I get the impression that for Bomber players it's not necessarily the talent level or work ethic (although those are important considerations) but more a case of what's between the ears and I get the sense that Gauthier is one smart cookie and that he'll be successful in whatever endevor he ventures into.

MOS values football IQ very highly.  And the ability to learn in film study, and take in what they're being coached on.  I think he also like "general" IQ, but you can't always have that.

I think he recognizes some players won't have all of the above, and so he leans on the cerebral players to direct the others.  That also would perfectly explain dressing the older / slower guys past the date many coaches/GMs would have cut them.

Everything's a trade-off, and Can Mafia has their own way of doing things.  We can't argue with them that it's not effective!  (Look at our record starting in 2019.)

[Jesse]

Gauthier's reps were very limited in the last game.  And not much more in the previous game.  At this point he's mostly for later-game sets.  We're rotating in the IMPs instead.  But Gauthier is hugely critical to the in-game injury scheme as he can play both MLB and WILL, and replace any nationality.

One thing I will say: he's not really ever the reason for a big bust, either run or pass.  I think he knows his assignments as well as anyone.

Which is why he's on the field, but if you know the assignment perfectly and still can't make the tackle...something is missing.

No one is comparing Gauthier to Bighill. We're comparing 2024 Gauthier to 2021 Gauthier and one of these things is not like the other.

[Sir Blue and Gold]

Not only that Jesse, but the guy has never been a steady contributor on defensive, ever. He had one stretch of games in 2022 from August 26 to October 1 where we wracked up 23 tackles in five games and was pretty good. Before and after that? Please. In the pandemic season he had one game where he had 4 tackles. The rest of the season? 1, 2, or 0.

Again, not trying to disparage a longtime career Bomber. Great career. But if everyone's "a beast" no one is.

[GCn19]

Which is why he's on the field, but if you know the assignment perfectly and still can't make the tackle...something is missing.

No one is comparing Gauthier to Bighill. We're comparing 2024 Gauthier to 2021 Gauthier and one of these things is not like the other.

Not sure what all the hub bub about Gauthier is tbh. The guy is an in-game MIKE backup and career STer. He wasn't all that great at MIKE in 2021 either. He's a stop gap at best and a good teamer that carries the right passport and works on the cheap. Every team needs and carries guys like these and he fills his role on the club well.

[Blue In BC]

Not sure what all the hub bub about Gauthier is tbh. The guy is an in-game MIKE backup and career STer. He wasn't all that great at MIKE in 2021 either. He's a stop gap at best and a good teamer that carries the right passport and works on the cheap. Every team needs and carries guys like these and he fills his role on the club well.

When are you changing your handle to 24?

[Jesse]

Not sure what all the hub bub about Gauthier is tbh. The guy is an in-game MIKE backup and career STer. He wasn't all that great at MIKE in 2021 either. He's a stop gap at best and a good teamer that carries the right passport and works on the cheap. Every team needs and carries guys like these and he fills his role on the club well.

This is the problem with the over-the-board positive posters.

You find yourself arguing against players you like. No one wants to sit here and bash Gauthier; but then someone calls him a beast against run when he has 4 tackles and we end up in this discussion.