Kyrie Wilson

[theaardvark]

What about Cole to Sam and Kramdi to FS?

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

What about Cole to Sam and Kramdi to FS?

Who knows, it will be interesting to see if Griffin goes back to the PR when Cole returns or it remains status quo.

[Blue In BC]

Who knows, it will be interesting to see if Griffin goes back to the PR when Cole returns or it remains status quo.

There is room for both with Bighill off the AR. I think there is a good chance Cole is activated for this week. He was already " full " at recent practice and would be a logical choice. We're a little thin at receiver on the AR but we haven't seen that to be a high priority with Whitehead on the roster.

OL protection might make Vanderpool a possible choice in order to have a 7th OL.

However, Cole would see more reps in probability on defence to keep everyone fresh.  He can play LB, SLB or even safety in some formations and he works well on ST's.

Normally another DL like Adams but we've gone to speed very weight in our front 7. Will our schemes change after giving up all that rushing yardage?

[Sir Blue and Gold]

There is room for both with Bighill off the AR. I think there is a good chance Cole is activated for this week. He was already " full " at recent practice and would be a logical choice. We're a little thin at receiver on the AR but we haven't seen that to be a high priority with Whitehead on the roster.

OL protection might make Vanderpool a possible choice in order to have a 7th OL.

However, Cole would see more reps in probability on defence to keep everyone fresh.  He can play LB, SLB or even safety in some formations and he works well on ST's.

Normally another DL like Adams but we've gone to speed very weight in our front 7. Will our schemes change after giving up all that rushing yardage?

We played a guy short last week so theoretically Cole could be added without anyone coming off at all. Makes sense to add a linebacker for a linebacker but then again we're probably going to see a lot more Edmonton ground and pound on Friday after what they did last week.

[Blue In BC]

We played a guy short last week so theoretically Cole could be added without anyone coming off at all. Makes sense to add a linebacker for a linebacker but then again we're probably going to see a lot more Edmonton ground and pound on Friday after what they did last week.

19 carries for 183 yards!!  We need to find a way to slow that down but maintain their ineffectiveness with their passing game.

Good chance MBT starts and that changes the game plan. We know where to find him and he's not the QB that will escape the pocket like Ford.

[TecnoGenius]

Found this so it actually doesn't matter if he came off and then back on or it's a straight extension. He'll be sms exempt either way:

If he's deemed coming off and going back on, then the SMS savings on Kyrie would depend on us getting to the WDF (4 reg season, a bye or WSF, and the WDF equals 6).  Right?

As for whether he's deemed coming off or not, the paragraph you quote is vague.  The problem in my mind is he was removed from the IR and put on the AR, even if just for a day.  Can that transaction be ignored or erased?

It's not a big deal (we're not talking a lot of $), but I'm curious how "extension" is defined when there's an AR transaction in the middle.  This might be the first time this has ever happened?  One usually doesn't come off the 6GIR, get put on the AR, and then get injured in warmup.

[TecnoGenius]

Caught a glimpse of Kyrie on the sideline congratulating Ayers after his fumble recovery, he looked fully functional and was not wearing a walking boot, so maybe his injury is not as bad as feared.

Could also be non-contact ACL/MCL.  Perhaps even minor/strain.  Still can be season-ending.

Yes, from your report, achilles is likely ruled out.

[Sir Blue and Gold]

If he's deemed coming off and going back on, then the SMS savings on Kyrie would depend on us getting to the WDF (4 reg season, a bye or WSF, and the WDF equals 6).  Right?

As for whether he's deemed coming off or not, the paragraph you quote is vague.  The problem in my mind is he was removed from the IR and put on the AR, even if just for a day.  Can that transaction be ignored or erased?

It's not a big deal (we're not talking a lot of $), but I'm curious how "extension" is defined when there's an AR transaction in the middle.  This might be the first time this has ever happened?  One usually doesn't come off the 6GIR, get put on the AR, and then get injured in warmup.

I don't think playoff teams don't get extra sms relief from their injured players that non playoff teams don't get. Playoff compensation is on top of the regular season contracts.

As long as he's on there by the cutoff (and he is) and doesn't play in the playoffs he's good. This would be the same as a player on a non playoff team who doesn't have a chance to play due to not making the playoffs.

[TecnoGenius]

I don't think playoff teams don't get extra sms relief from their injured players that non playoff teams don't get.

That's not jiving with my interpretation of the rule, but like with most CFL writings, it's ambiguous:

Playoff Games and the Playoff Bye will be considered a game served on the Six Game Injury List.

If they meant it as you do, they would say "playoff weeks", no?  Aren't only the teams in the playoffs in playoff games?  And aren't only the 2 division leaders given a playoff bye?

I wouldn't be surprised if the CFL gives some 6GIR/SMS bonus for going deeper in the post-season... and doesn't it make sense?  The 3 teams out of the playoffs all go home and do not earn any game cheque (right?)... no SMS cheque, no SMS relief to be provided.

[Sir Blue and Gold]

In this case it's very clear. It tells you exactly when someone must be placed on the 6-game to have the salary sheltered.

It doesn't say: teams that make the grey cup need to place players before the 16th game. Teams that make the division finals, 15th game, teams that make the semi, 14th game, and teams that don't make the playoffs, 13th game.

They don't need to give playoff teams bonus sms space because playoff compensation is completely over and above the regular contracts and not sms eligible.

[Jesse]

That's not jiving with my interpretation of the rule, but like with most CFL writings, it's ambiguous:

Playoff Games and the Playoff Bye will be considered a game served on the Six Game Injury List.

If they meant it as you do, they would say "playoff weeks", no?  Aren't only the teams in the playoffs in playoff games?  And aren't only the 2 division leaders given a playoff bye?

I wouldn't be surprised if the CFL gives some 6GIR/SMS bonus for going deeper in the post-season... and doesn't it make sense?  The 3 teams out of the playoffs all go home and do not earn any game cheque (right?)... no SMS cheque, no SMS relief to be provided.

There are no SMS implications in the play-offs though. Game cheques have all been handed out already.

[theaardvark]

I think that to get the full 6 game $SMS releif, the team has to play 6 games while you are injured.  So, if that is 3 reg season games, a DSF or playoff bye (bye's count as games in the playoffs, but not reg season byes), a DF and the GC, you get the 3 game cheques for regular season play taken off your $SMS.

Hence why a player cannot be put on the 6 game after game 15.  16, 17, 18, DSF/bye, DF, GC makes 6 games the player misses.

Curious though if only the GC teams get the $SMS relief for players 6 gamed after game 14, or if it all teams are considered to have those three playoff games.

So, if you actually have to play post season games for a player to miss them, to get $SMS releif for:

Biggie and Neuf, we need to play the WDF or Bye

Woli - DF

Streve and Wilson - GC

[Sir Blue and Gold]

You guys are trying really hard to read between lines for some reason.

It tells you exactly when the cut off for the 6 game is.

As soon as the player goes on the list, the team starts sheltering money. If he comes off early, it's retroactively added. If he ends the year on the 6-game it's covered. If you're injured after the cut off, the team is out of luck, obviously, because he can't be put on the list.

I don't know how you could write that more obviously than they did.

[TecnoGenius]

As soon as the player goes on the list, the team starts sheltering money.

Then why did the rule writers add this:

Playoff Games and the Playoff Bye will be considered a game served on the Six Game Injury List.



If you are correct and post-season is completely irrelevant, then why insert this sentence at all?  It makes no sense.

And yes, you are correct that you don't spend/save any SMS in the post-season, but Aards is right that the 1-3 games can still be relevant as to whether the player spent an actual 6 games in the 6GIR, and thus get any relief (i.e. for the first 3 on-SMS games of 6).

Unless you explain why they added that verbiage in, I'll be skeptical.

[Sir Blue and Gold]

...because if that line wasn't in there then the 6-game injured list wouldn't apply in playoffs?

It still applies for anyone already on the list during the playoffs.

If placing someone after the 15th game ONLY was applicable for two of nine teams in the league don't you think that would be mentioned?