Official Game Day Thread - Winnipeg at Edmonton - Sept. 21, 2024

[Jesse]

Unlikely to see a lot of three man fronts against Tre Ford.

Seems to be the transition our D has made.

People get too caught up in starters. We seem to use all our personnel and multiple formations. But there has been a lot of three man lately.

[Blue In BC]

Seems to be the transition our D has made.

People get too caught up in starters. We seem to use all our personnel and multiple formations. But there has been a lot of three man lately.

We have talent on defence. Now we just have to adapt to a different offence that may be more run heavy with Ford starting. MLB is a pocket passer with a very strong arm and he reads defences well. Keep ford in the pocket and he'll have problems IMO.

[dd]

Agree. Contain is the name of this game. Contain Ford and make him throw, game over, let him run wild, Edmonton wins.

[bunker]

I think people are underestimating Ford a bit. He has gotten better at using his legs not just to scramble but to extend plays. He's still very young. It will be a challenging game for the D in my opinion, but I think they and Younger will be up to it. We just need to score more points on offense, which has been a challenge this year. Hopefully Bryant back will help with keeping Zach more comfortable in the pocket. And maybe Wheatfall and Wilson step up. Bombers 27-24.

[Blueforlife]

We went from the highest scoring offence the last couple of seasons to the lowest scoring offence. Does that sound like consistency to you?

In 2022 Collaros had 37 TD's and 13 int's
In 2023 Collaros had 33 TD's and 15 int's
In 2024 Collaros has 8 TD's and 13 int's so far.

In 2022 - 2023 we lost a total of 7 regular season games.

Collaros has not played well this season. It's not all on him but all this is the opposite of consistency. The 2022 -2023 seasons were examples of consistency. Top scoring and least points given up ( or close to it ).

We all know the drop off this year.  Stating the obvious there with the stats.  We'll documented.
Imo, Zach has been consistently good to great for us.  Rough patch to start and a remarkable recovery and playing much better as of late.   Let's save the year by year comparison at the end of the season.  However, won't catch his previous pace, that clear.  Stats are misleading (sometimes), BO is having one of his biggest years with passing yardage but Hamilton struggled to win early.  Looks ok as of late imo.

 Patience paid off.  The Bomber organization doesn't panic and they stay the course.  It's what makes us great.  The post you responded to was my take on the interview with Zach on how they stuck to it.

His record as a Bomber win / loss will go down as one of best stretches I can remember.  Sounds like you are asking for perfection from Zach which he pretty much was before this season but have to realistic with the changes and injuries we have had.  Let's agree to disagree on this one we both have made our points.

Now how he finishes this season will define if he continues to be good / great.  I'm betting on good.  Biggest thing is to stay healthy on offence.  We can't afford even another single injury to any of our starters (tall order, I know).

I don't judge players, coaches, management and teams on rough patches, I take the long view how they do over years of play.

If I had my choice of any QB right now in the league, I would take Zach.

Now he has to go and stomp the Elks to prove me right.  Full disclosure, I expect a dog fight and close game.  I think we can stomp them at home.

I see Zach playing good today and great next week.

[The Zipp]

Is today the day we maybe see some of trick play?

[Blueforlife]

Is today the day we maybe see some of trick play?

hope not LOL, those can back fire but yes could be overdue

[Pigskin]

Agree. Contain is the name of this game. Contain Ford and make him throw, game over, let him run wild, Edmonton wins.

I would also like to see us get the running game going early. Edmonton has a good front 4 and Morgan might be the best MLB in the CFL. Keep the Edmonton D on the field and off balance.

[Blue In BC]

We all know the drop off this year.  Stating the obvious there with the stats.  We'll documented.
Imo, Zach has been consistently good to great for us.  Rough patch to start and a remarkable recovery and playing much better as of late.   Let's save the year by year comparison at the end of the season.  However, won't catch his previous pace, that clear.  Stats are misleading (sometimes), BO is having one of his biggest years with passing yardage but Hamilton struggled to win early.  Looks ok as of late imo.

 Patience paid off.  The Bomber organization doesn't panic and they stay the course.  It's what makes us great.  The post you responded to was my take on the interview with Zach on how they stuck to it.

His record as a Bomber win / loss will go down as one of best stretches I can remember.  Sounds like you are asking for perfection from Zach which he pretty much was before this season but have to realistic with the changes and injuries we have had.  Let's agree to disagree on this one we both have made our points.

Now how he finishes this season will define if he continues to be good / great.  I'm betting on good.  Biggest thing is to stay healthy on offence.  We can't afford even another single injury to any of our starters (tall order, I know).

I don't judge players, coaches, management and teams on rough patches, I take the long view how they do over years of play.

If I had my choice of any QB right now in the league, I would take Zach.

Now he has to go and stomp the Elks to prove me right.  Full disclosure, I expect a dog fight and close game.  I think we can stomp them at home.

I see Zach playing good today and great next week.

Nope I've never expected a perfect game from Collaros. OTOH, like many of the posters we've recognized the issues on the roster before and during TC. Injuries compounded that issue.

Playing Johnson for about 12 games was a little like playing with one hand behind his back for Collaros. Clercius was showing well for a rookie. However not having Lawler and Schoen hurt our offence.

Oliveria has been nicked a little more this season and we haven't used the run game as much or as well. Our play calling is vanilla and predictable at times.

You know the definition of " insanity "? Doing the same thing and expecting different results. In your world that's patience. In my world that predictability is an issue.

I laugh when we run our 1st offensive series. Most of the time our 1st play is a run right up the middle. Sometimes it works and other times it puts us in 2nd and long, followed by a sack and a punt.

You like to use the term " patience " and it's over used. Once TC breaks it's not like you can just add players to replace injuries to Lawler or Schoen. Even Oliveria and Bighill missed the 1st game IIRC.

So the question is where do we draw the line to hold the course or adjust in game or game to game. Pierce is somewhat stubborn. Why when we get down to the 20 yard line do we continue to throw a deep strike to the back of the end zone?

That works when you you don't have receivers that defences are not afraid of like Johnson or Clericus to some degree. Clercius is going to be a good receiver but he's still learning. Pierce seems to resist adjusting to things that aren't working. There needs to be quicker adjustments during the game.

Not having veterans practice much in TC or play in pre -season didn't work out well strategically.It back fired but on paper it sounded like a good idea.

The long view has it's merits but so does the term " what have you done for me lately".

[Blueforlife]

You seam to want change.  I am ok with ain't broke don't fix it. Your reference to insanity is overstated and off the mark imo.

You can say I used patience pays off saying too much but I have used it pre, during and post mini dynasty with a good track record.  The consistency in our approach with management, coaches and personnel is our strength.  I will continue to use it.

The long view works when you are good and I'll stick to my guns.

Buck is learning and patience with him will pay dividends.  A good coach that will be great.  Just like when Hall came to the club.  People called for his head and will go down as one of best defense coaches in Bomber history.  You are overstating the negative on Buck imo.  I like our playing calling mix but yes room for improvement.  Our offensive style will be good when weather turns.

Zach did well with the injuries we had.  Johnson did what he could while we healed up.  Our young receivers will continue to develop and the time they got this year will pay dividends.

I love the run up the gut.  You laugh I cheer.  The best back in the league, give him the rock and pound the DL.  Works more often than not.

What has Zach and the offense done for us lately? Win baby.

Let's leave the argument for today please.  It's getting off topic for a GDT.  A good debate but for another day.

[Blue In BC]

You seam to want change.  I am ok with ain't broke don't fix it. Your reference to insanity is overstated and off the mark imo.

You can say I used patience pays off saying too much but I have used it pre, during and post mini dynasty with a good track record.  The consistency in our approach with management, coaches and personnel is our strength.  I will continue to use it.

The long view works when you are good and I'll stick to my guns.

Buck is learning and patience with him will pay dividends.  A good coach that will be great.  Just like when Hall came to the club.  People called for his head and will go down as one of best defense coaches in Bomber history.  You are overstating the negative on Buck imo.  I like our playing calling mix but yes room for improvement.  Our offensive style will be good when weather turns.

Zach did well with the injuries we had.  Johnson did what he could while we healed up.  Our young receivers will continue to develop and the time they got this year will pay dividends.

I love the run up the gut.  You laugh I cheer.  The best back in the league, give him the rock and pound the DL.  Works more often than not.

What has Zach and the offense done for us lately? Win baby.

Let's leave the argument for today please.  It's getting off topic for a GDT.  A good debate but for another day.

We had about 23 players leave from 2023 either in free agency, retired or cut. I want change when a player or process is not doing well.

In the case of Johnson they should have released him after about his 6th game. If his role was to be a good blocker that's something you look for and find during recruitment. Obviously he's still supposed to be a receiver that contributes. He didn't.

Players like Rambo and Bridges contributed right off the bat. Mind you they are not the 4th or 5th read, but this is not rocket science. It's pretty simple, can you block and can you contribute yardage.

The run up the gut is fine when it works. When it isn't working and your receivers are not getting open, then there is a big drop off in production. 2nd and long leads to sacks and turnovers for any team. Just re-watch any of our losses. Even some of our wins were like that.

QB's take to much heat when things are not going well and vice versa. I'd say he did fairly well considering the turnstile at receiver. However, I think that has gotten in his head to some degree.

At the moment he may still surpass his 2023 yardage total if he stays healthy. TD's not so much.

[The Zipp]

Who is our short yardage Qb?  Wilson?

[ModAdmin]

Who is our short yardage Qb?  Wilson?

For this game, yes.

[Blue In BC]

Who is our short yardage Qb?  Wilson?

He has the athleticism to be able to handle that role and he knows the play book. That said he's a little light on experience and that may be an issue in the early going.

A don't know whether he'll be supplanted at the # 2 and short yardage once Dolegala or any of the other QB's learns the play book. That might push him back to # 3.

We don't really know how well he'd do if he had to play significant reps. IIRC he has a strong arm and was fairly accurate in pre season. I'd rather not see him pressed into a bigger role this season. That would mean Collaros was injured and that wouldn't be good.

[The Zipp]

Breaking:

LB Kyrie Wilson has been ruled OUT for tonight's game. Bombers will be re-issuing a new depth chart shortly.