MOP's 2024

[Jesse]

So, answer the question:

If a QB puts up 500Y passing every game but loses all 18 games, do they get MOP?

If this was a magical fantasy land where the team lost each game by a score like 38-35 and they were in every contest but the defence was simply that bad, sure; give that man the MOP.

In the far more common scenario of a QB being ineffective for the first 2-3 quarters of the game and then racking up a bunch of garbage time yards when the winning team switches to prevent, then no. That's not outstanding.

There's a reason awards mostly goes to players from winning teams.

[Waffler]

The Bo Levi scenario I see is him riding the pine for most of the rest of the way. Bo is not the future and Hamilton realizing this, plays Powell as soon as they are eliminated.  This leaves him stuck around 4,000 yards and 99.9 QB rating. How do those stats look now? MOP worthy?

Brady on the other hand is getting the tough yards that win games in the 4th quarter. Over 1,000 and counting. I HOPE it is Brady vs Bo Levi, that's a slam dunk win for us.

[theaardvark]

The Bo Levi scenario I see is him riding the pine for most of the rest of the way. Bo is not the future and Hamilton realizing this, plays Powell as soon as they are eliminated.  This leaves him stuck around 4,000 yards and 99.9 QB rating. How do those stats look now? MOP worthy?

Brady on the other hand is getting the tough yards that win games in the 4th quarter. Over 1,000 and counting. I HOPE it is Brady vs Bo Levi, that's a slam dunk win for us.

The only problem with Brady winning, is that he has to win MOC as well.  So I can see votes going elsewhere for MOP, and a unanimous MOC.

[gobombersgo]

The Bo Levi scenario I see is him riding the pine for most of the rest of the way. Bo is not the future and Hamilton realizing this, plays Powell as soon as they are eliminated.  This leaves him stuck around 4,000 yards and 99.9 QB rating. How do those stats look now? MOP worthy?

Brady on the other hand is getting the tough yards that win games in the 4th quarter. Over 1,000 and counting. I HOPE it is Brady vs Bo Levi, that's a slam dunk win for us.

Some people are saying that Brady is gaining those yards in the 4th after the team has built a lead and have the game in hand.

These so called yards after beatdown should be discounted according to them.

[gobombersgo]

Bryson Vesnaver @PFF_Bryson
Sep 24
(Brady) On pace for fewer yards than he got last year when he didn't win. Only two touchdowns. Below average missed tackle rate. Lower first down rate and lower rushing grade than Ka'Deem Carey. Solid chunk of numbers coming in 4th quarter when WPG has game out of reach.

Derek Taylor @DTonOB
Sep 24
Was talking about this last night: in the MOP race Oliveira is the only person who will have to beat the field *AND* 2023 Brady Oliveira.

It's unfair to Brady (in this case). And I have to remind myself every year as I fill out ballots—"is he the best _____ this year?"

Here's what I find for 4th Q rushing yards with his team up 9+ (top-3 in rushing yards):

Oliveira 21 carries for 146 yards (1,021 total)
Stanback 20/74 (959)
Carey 5/41 (872)

[Jesse]

Bryson Vesnaver @PFF_Bryson
Sep 24
(Brady) On pace for fewer yards than he got last year when he didn't win. Only two touchdowns. Below average missed tackle rate. Lower first down rate and lower rushing grade than Ka'Deem Carey. Solid chunk of numbers coming in 4th quarter when WPG has game out of reach.

Derek Taylor @DTonOB
Sep 24
Was talking about this last night: in the MOP race Oliveira is the only person who will have to beat the field *AND* 2023 Brady Oliveira.

It's unfair to Brady (in this case). And I have to remind myself every year as I fill out ballots—"is he the best _____ this year?"

Here's what I find for 4th Q rushing yards with his team up 9+ (top-3 in rushing yards):

Oliveira 21 carries for 146 yards (1,021 total)
Stanback 20/74 (959)
Carey 5/41 (872)

Why would this be a negative though? That's when you depend on your running game to control the clock and grind out the game.

[TecnoGenius]

Can you be MOP and not be MOC?

I really want a rule that says if you get MOP, someone else gets MOC.  Both season awards and GC awards.  It's dumb that if you're Canadian you automatically win both.

[TecnoGenius]

Some people are saying that Brady is gaining those yards in the 4th after the team has built a lead and have the game in hand.

These so called yards after beatdown should be discounted according to them.

I can recall only one game where we were clearly guaranteed to win early in the 4th: the blowout donut BC game.  Every other game the other team had a chance where 1 TD puts them right back in the fight.  So I don't know where anyone gets off saying those are YABs.

This isn't '21 or '22 where we were winning every game without trying and teams were giving up by the middle of the 3rd Q.

Also, Brady has been struggling hard behind his weakest OL since he became starter.  Only now is the unit starting to become effective.  This should actually add points to Brady's bid because he's done a lot more himself vs the big holes and downfield blocking the other high-yard RBs enjoy.

I'm actually shocked Brady broke 1k this season.

[ichabod_crane]

Calvillo for all categories thnx

Did Anthony come out of retirement?

[Jesse]

Did Anthony come out of retirement?

I write Calvillo every single time. Most of the time I correct myself, but it comes out every time.

[theaardvark]

I really want a rule that says if you get MOP, someone else gets MOC.  Both season awards and GC awards.  It's dumb that if you're Canadian you automatically win both.

100% agree, but then the MOC is actually the SMOC... how good is an award if you know that you were second? Also, there may be performance bonuses involved. 

Each award has a name.  If you are MOP, then you are MOC, by definition.

Maybe the flip flop each year?  If the MOP is Canadian, then instead of an MOC award, an MOI award?

Or the MOC award only gets awarded if the MOP is not a C?

Or just give it to them...

[TecnoGenius]

100% agree, but then the MOC is actually the SMOC... how good is an award if you know that you were second? Also, there may be performance bonuses involved. 

Each award has a name.  If you are MOP, then you are MOC, by definition.

Maybe the flip flop each year?  If the MOP is Canadian, then instead of an MOC award, an MOI award?

Or the MOC award only gets awarded if the MOP is not a C?

Or just give it to them...

I think you're on the right track with MOI.  They should have two awards: MOC and MOI (or MOA).

Then for MOP you can do either:
1) nothing, it ceases to exist
2) a MOP is chosen from the MOC/MOI winners: whoever was better

The original intent of having a MOP and MOC was clearly to make sure a Canadian gets recognized even though an IMP will always (except for recently) win MOP.  It was never intended a NAT will walk away with both, because then all the IMPs get the shaft.  It can never be the other way around (IMP winning both)...

(N.B. Globs can be included in IMPs if the impossible happens...)

[Jesse]

100% agree, but then the MOC is actually the SMOC... how good is an award if you know that you were second? Also, there may be performance bonuses involved. 

Each award has a name.  If you are MOP, then you are MOC, by definition.

Maybe the flip flop each year?  If the MOP is Canadian, then instead of an MOC award, an MOI award?

Or the MOC award only gets awarded if the MOP is not a C?

Or just give it to them...

I think you guys are overthinking things again.

If the MOP is Canadian; yes, they are also the MOC. Same as when Elimimian won the MOP and MODP in 2014.

[TecnoGenius]

I think you guys are overthinking things again.

If the MOP is Canadian; yes, they are also the MOC. Same as when Elimimian won the MOP and MODP in 2014.

But it's happening like all the time now (2 times now in a few GCs and a possibility this season with Brady).  It's kind of lame.

Your MODP point further proves my point, though thankfully it will probably never happen again.

I would therefore propose:

MOOA
MOOC
MODA
MODC
(3rd letter: O=offence, D=defence)

and then MOP (if you want one) is picked from those 4 "semi-finalists".

As for overthinking, that's my middle name.

[Jesse]

But it's happening like all the time now (2 times now in a few GCs and a possibility this season with Brady).  It's kind of lame.

Your MODP point further proves my point, though thankfully it will probably never happen again.

I would therefore propose:

MOOA
MOOC
MODA
MODC
(3rd letter: O=offence, D=defence)

and then MOP (if you want one) is picked from those 4 "semi-finalists".

As for overthinking, that's my middle name.

I personally don't like it when people rush to change long standing things over non-common events.

A rouge ends the game - need to take it away.

2 ties happen in a season - need to change OT rules again.

Too much tinkering doesn't make things better, imo. There will always be weird outcomes every once in a while. That's what makes the game unexpected and fun.