We need a backup quarterback!

Started by Austin85, September 02, 2024, 04:14:41 AM

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TecnoGenius

Quote from: Blue In BC on September 03, 2024, 02:22:18 AMVancouver: VAJ
Edmonton: Ford or MBT
Calgary: Shiltz
Regina: Patterson
Hamilton: Powell or BLM depending on who the coaches wanted to go forward with before the injury to Powell
Ottawa: Masoli
Montreal: Evans and Alexander
Toronto: Arbuckle and Dukes

I've crossed off all the QBs that will likely be held past the trade deadline because it won't be clear who is out of the playoffs by that time.  Yes, I think only HAM will be eliminated by the deadline.  There is just too little spread between the other middling teams to determine anything else.

Powell was looking better this year, but he may be HAM's future, and I'm not sure he's better than Strev (same type of player).  BLM would be intriguing just for a playoff run... but I think he needs more protection than even Zach does, and I'm not sure we can provide that.  Besides, I may have to throw up if BLM ever wears B&G.  Still, if it gets us a cup...
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TecnoGenius

Quote from: bunker on September 03, 2024, 03:00:47 AMMasoli is too old and brittle. Might be a last ditch option if Collaros went down with only a few games left in the season, the way we replaced Nichols with Collaros. Same with BLM.

I would kill for Masoli to take the reins if a 2019 situation happens again!  It's really too bad OTT is doing so well and won't trade anybody while they are strong in the hunt.  He's not your future guy, but he definitely can be a win-right-now guy.

Masoli coming here and winning the cup after what happened in '19 and '21 would be the stuff of legend.

Luckily for us, Zach will be healthy for the whole playoff run!  Trust me!  8)
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DM83

No offense to the nay sayers.  But did you expect to land Zac?
Please don't say SMS.  No one adjears to it, especially if they want a run at the cup.
I mean really do you think Vancouver is under the cap?

Do u think Winnipeg will be next yr in the farewell season for many players, and management?

peg_city

Quote from: J5V on September 03, 2024, 02:49:14 AMWhat I'm hearing is "where is our next Zach Collaros"? It may very well be Terry Wilson when he's ready.

Based on the back-up quarterbacks that have come through this city over my lifetime, this seems unlikely.

jdrattops

Quote from: Blue In BC on September 02, 2024, 09:34:04 PMStreveler was only allowed to make 6 pass attempts in the entire 2nd half of the game. Completed 4 of them for 46 yards. That's less than adequate by any ones standards.

At no point in any short yardage in 2024 situation has Pierce / O'Shea allowed him to throw a pass instead of a QB run.

That's a strong indication the Bombers are not confidant in him throwing. He's also been less effective as a short yardage QB which has resulted in turnover on downs multiple times.

His season average completion yardage is 5.2.

I don't think it's in O'Shea's make up to make a change but Dolegala is still out there as a free agent. I might add him to the PR and see if he can bump Wilson out of #3 spot for the balance of the year.

Wilson might become a good QB but we may never see what he can do this season.





Streveler is 1-0 as a starter this season.  O'Shea doesn't care how they get there or how it looks as longs as the Bombers are up by 1 after 60 minutes.

Blue In BC

Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 03, 2024, 07:34:58 AMI've crossed off all the QBs that will likely be held past the trade deadline because it won't be clear who is out of the playoffs by that time.  Yes, I think only HAM will be eliminated by the deadline.  There is just too little spread between the other middling teams to determine anything else.

Powell was looking better this year, but he may be HAM's future, and I'm not sure he's better than Strev (same type of player).  BLM would be intriguing just for a playoff run... but I think he needs more protection than even Zach does, and I'm not sure we can provide that.  Besides, I may have to throw up if BLM ever wears B&G.  Still, if it gets us a cup...

To be clear I wasn't suggesting we make any effort to trade for any of those on the list. Several like Masoli, MBT or BLM are past their best before date and may not be in the CFL in 2025.

It was only a comparison of the # 2 QB's that are more likely to win a game or be more productive that Streveler.

Those 3 in particular can move the ball on offence.
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Blue In BC

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Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 03, 2024, 02:47:13 AMYou missed Crum.  If Strev. could match Crum in combined passing and running ability, I'd be content with him as #2 till someone better came along.

I didn't list Crum because he's fallen to # 3 in the short term.  I don't know whether Crum, Evans or Powell will ever be good QB's but they do have some skills.

The intent wasn't any long term view. More about if Collaros went down for 2 or 3 games, who would be a better option at # 2. Who would you rather have kind of question.

Obviously, you can't just get another player and airlift him onto the roster and playbook.
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Blue In BC

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Quote from: jdrattops on September 03, 2024, 01:04:08 PMStreveler is 1-0 as a starter this season.  O'Shea doesn't care how they get there or how it looks as longs as the Bombers are up by 1 after 60 minutes.

He completed 13 of 21 for 127 yards. Average of 6 yards per reception, no TD's. He ran for 79 yards. Oliveria ran for 129 yards.

Dru Brown was replaced by Crum for most of the game.  Masoli was injured but would now be the # 2 QB in Ottawa.

I don't know that is much to hang the hat on for Streveler.

We all hope Collaros doesn't get injured or miss any significant time. If he does we might look for a short term rental but that's as far as it goes. Trade dead line is approaching so I expect we'll run with those we have.




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jdrattops

Quote from: Blue In BC on September 03, 2024, 02:46:30 PMHe completed 13 of 21 for 127 yards. Average of 6 yards per reception, no TD's. He ran for 79 yards. Oliveria ran for 129 yards.

Dru Brown was replaced by Crum for most of the game.  Masoli was injured but would now be the # 2 QB in Ottawa.

I don't know that is much to hang the hat on for Streveler.

We all hope Collaros doesn't get injured or miss any significant time. If he does we might look for a short term rental but that's as far as it goes. Trade dead line is approaching so I expect we'll run with those we have.


Thanks for the stats, but at the end of the day all O'Shea sees is 1-0 for the week.  Trevor Harris put up some great numbers on Sunday it means FA as he lost.



ichabod_crane

Quote from: jdrattops on September 03, 2024, 01:04:08 PMStreveler is 1-0 as a starter this season.  O'Shea doesn't care how they get there or how it looks as longs as the Bombers are up by 1 after 60 minutes.

Are you not forgetting the loss in Calgary? Technically he did not start that game, but he played the majority of it. He almost pulled it out except for a brutal interception in overtime.

ichabod_crane

Quote from: Blue In BC on September 03, 2024, 02:30:59 PMTo be clear I wasn't suggesting we make any effort to trade for any of those on the list. Several like Masoli, MBT or BLM are past their best before date and may not be in the CFL in 2025.

It was only a comparison of the # 2 QB's that are more likely to win a game or be more productive that Streveler.

Those 3 in particular can move the ball on offence.

Brock for Clements!! One of the all time best trades the Bombers ever did! :) GM Paul Robson pulled the trigger on that one along with KINDLY Cal! ;) Former GM Earl Lunsford before Robson was too conservative to ever make such a deal. Some good teams, but not enough to beat the Evil Empire (EE!).

I'll say it ONCE AGAIN!! ;) HOSE JOB by officiating on Bombers late in 1982 western final on a VERY QUESTIONABLE late hit on Warren Moon by John Helton. Would love to see a replay of that as bugs me to this day still! ;) Too bad challenges did not exist then.

jdrattops

Quote from: ichabod_crane on September 04, 2024, 12:37:43 AMAre you not forgetting the loss in Calgary? Technically he did not start that game, but he played the majority of it. He almost pulled it out except for a brutal interception in overtime.

I did say starter.

Jesse

Quote from: theaardvark on September 03, 2024, 05:20:24 AMAs long as we have Collaros n the roster, he's the number one.  He is under contract for next year, and if he want to play in 26, they will sign him again.

As long as he's the number one, we do not have the $SMS to pay a #2 to come here.  No Alexander, Paterson, VA, or Ford comes here for what we can afford to pay on top of Collaros and Streveler, AND to sit waiting for someone to knock Collaros out of the lineup.

If Collaros announces 25 is his last year,  and Miller says blow the budget, then we can sign one of those guys to back up in 25, and start in 26.  THAT is the only way we land an up and coming FA QB.  Otherwise they stay where they are.

I disagree with a lot of this.

Collaros is the guy through next year; but I don't believe anything is settled after that. I certainly don't expect to see Stanley Bryant or Adam Bighill in 2026. A full on reset from the 2019 roster will have occurred. If Zach shows continued regression next season, I don't think we cling onto him while the roster swings younger.

SMS has nothing to do with bringing in a #2. None of them are paid an extravagant amount. It's the opportunity allotted to them. Being the back-up for an increasingly injured 36 year old QB isn't the worst position to be in for an "up and comer".
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BlueInCgy

The bigger concern is getting someone up to speed before Zach retires.  No one wants a repeat of the Elliot/Brinks/Goltz era

bunker

Quote from: BlueInCgy on September 04, 2024, 01:37:45 AMThe bigger concern is getting someone up to speed before Zach retires.  No one wants a repeat of the Elliot/Brinks/Goltz era
The problem is that it usually takes 2-4 years to get a new QB up to speed in the CFL, and that's if you get lucky enough to actually find one with the necessary skills. I think Zach has at most one more year left where he is a decent QB who you can win with. I suspect Streveler will continue to be the number 2, leaving no opportunity for a young QB to get any experience. I think our best bet after Zach may be to target someone from another team, if we can, who is ready to plug and play, rather than developing our own.