We need a backup quarterback!

Started by Austin85, September 02, 2024, 04:14:41 AM

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Quote from: theaardvark on September 05, 2024, 03:45:57 PMWe have a very solid QB room.  I don't think they would have kept Wilson if he didn't have potential to develop.  When teh PR expands, I expect at least one new QB prospect to get a look, maybe even a couple, to prep for next years training camp to give Wilson a challenge.

Picking over other teams scrap heaps is one thing, plucking solid prospects is another.  Ottawa grabbing Dru from us is a version of the later.  Us picking up VA, Masoli, or even Dolegala would be more the former.

If Bo comes into good form this year, and revitalizes his career to the point of sticking around a few more, I'd be OK with going after Palmer. Or chasing Paterson or Alexander.  If they are coming off their ELC's. Or Ford if they are done with him in EE, re-uniting him with his brother would be a fun dynamic.

How are they going to develop Wilson if he never gets a single game rep??? You can't keep a QB in the broom closet then expect him to win games when thrown to the wolves. Dru Brown developed because he was given adequate game time to learn how to operate.  Think back before Brown, remember how good this regime was at developing QB's?  Apparently nothing has changed.

Blue In BC

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 05, 2024, 04:04:30 PMHow are they going to develop Wilson if he never gets a single game rep??? You can't keep a QB in the broom closet then expect him to win games when thrown to the wolves. Dru Brown developed because he was given adequate game time to learn how to operate.  Think back before Brown, remember how good this regime was at developing QB's?  Apparently nothing has changed.

It's preferable to get a # 3 QB some game reps but it's never that easy. OTOH, Alexander in Montreal only had 21 attempts in 2022 -2023 before looking really good in his games this season.

Rourke and M. Reilly before him had limited reps before becoming top QB's.

Some players take longer and some just have the " it ".

I have no idea whether Wilson will become a good QB or not. Posters that have been to practice a few times might have a better idea on what his skill level is like.

In a perfect world maybe we get to see him in action once the standings are set.
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Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 05, 2024, 04:04:30 PMHow are they going to develop Wilson if he never gets a single game rep??? You can't keep a QB in the broom closet then expect him to win games when thrown to the wolves. Dru Brown developed because he was given adequate game time to learn how to operate.  Think back before Brown, remember how good this regime was at developing QB's?  Apparently nothing has changed.

You never want a rookie 3rd stringer taking game reps unless you're in a break-glass emergency scenario.

There's a progression these guys have to follow.
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Blue In BC

Quote from: Jesse on September 05, 2024, 06:31:21 PMYou never want a rookie 3rd stringer taking game reps unless you're in a break-glass emergency scenario.

There's a progression these guys have to follow.

Not always. Some games are decided early either by enormous leads or deficits. Or a team that has locked up 1st place or has been eliminated from playoff contention, will play a multitude of rookies or back ups.

This year the Als may lock up 1st place this week. The TiCats and Elks could be eliminated for example.

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Quote from: theaardvark on September 05, 2024, 03:45:57 PMWe have a very solid QB room.  I don't think they would have kept Wilson if he didn't have potential to develop.

Uh, 2 words: Dom Davis.  We kept him, what, 4 seasons?  We kept throwing time and games and chances at him and he always fell flat.

Quote from: theaardvark on September 05, 2024, 03:45:57 PMOr chasing Paterson or Alexander.

Patterson: <insert Corner Gas mention of Dog River here>

Alexander: ya, we can join every team in the league!

Ford: He's like mini-Streveler; sounds like a good gamble, but he'll just never last a season.  I'd just keep Strev, he'd be cheaper.
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TecnoGenius

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 05, 2024, 04:04:30 PMHow are they going to develop Wilson if he never gets a single game rep??? You can't keep a QB in the broom closet then expect him to win games when thrown to the wolves. Dru Brown developed because he was given adequate game time to learn how to operate.  Think back before Brown, remember how good this regime was at developing QB's?  Apparently nothing has changed.

Dru did.  Alexander did.  Ya, Dru got a few PS and garbage-season games in his time here, which he did badly in IIRC.  Wasn't he duking it out with McGuire for our #2 spot a while back?  We managed to see he was a legit #1 and McGuire wasn't.

The PS/GS games don't really help identify the "keeper" QBs though because half the team are backups.

Nope, in the CFL you need to sit on the PR and learn through osmosis and pray you come out there and Dru and Mike Reilly and Alexander on your first legit reg.season foray.  Or maybe second.  You have very few non-garbage games to shine with the first unit, then it's scrap-heap for you!
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Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 06, 2024, 05:26:30 AMUh, 2 words: Dom Davis.  We kept him, what, 4 seasons?  We kept throwing time and games and chances at him and he always fell flat.

Patterson: <insert Corner Gas mention of Dog River here>

Alexander: ya, we can join every team in the league!

Ford: He's like mini-Streveler; sounds like a good gamble, but he'll just never last a season.  I'd just keep Strev, he'd be cheaper.

Dom Davis is the perfect example of a backup QB kept in a broom closet for years, it wasn't till he moved to Ottawa that he was actually given any playing time.  While a Bomber he was used strictly for 3rd down sneaks, can't recall if  they had anyone else as a developmental QB during his time.  I'd have to check but I think Dom Davis was here behind Willy and Nichols.

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Strev had his best years under Lapo. Maybe part of his problem is Buck.  Lapo was much more creative with Strev's strengths.
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Hmmm. Maier benched in Calgary. That doesn't bode well for him going into 2025. He's in the last year of his current contract.

Calgary now becomes a potential trading partner with BC to get VAJ. I still think chances BC does that in conference is remote but not impossible. Hamilton is where I suspect he goes.

Maier? Quite possibly out of the CFL along with QB's like Cornelius. He'd have to take a big cut to land as a # 2 somewhere.
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Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 06, 2024, 04:10:42 PMDom Davis is the perfect example of a backup QB kept in a broom closet for years, it wasn't till he moved to Ottawa that he was actually given any playing time.  While a Bomber he was used strictly for 3rd down sneaks and I don't think they had anyone else as a developmental QB during his time.  I'd have to check but I think Dom Davis was here behind Willy and Nichols.
Dominique Davis was the PR QB in 2015 until Drew Willy got injured. He remained behind Robert Marve, Brian Brohm & Matt Nichols (when acquired). Davis got his first CFL start in the final game of the season.

In 2016, Davis was the #3 QB behind Willy & Nichols with Kevin Glenn replacing Willy on the roster after some trades. The development (PR) QB was Bryan Bennett and MBT was brought in during the PR expansion.

Davis was the #2 QB behind Nichols for most of the 2017 season with Lefevour as the short yardage QB. It was a bit of a surprise that Lefevour got the start ahead of Davis for the final game of the regular season. Winnipeg brought in a trio of QBs during the PR expansion period.

During his 3 years in Winnipeg, Dominique Davis was the drive QB for 32 possessions with 0 TDs & 7 FGs. Davis had 2 successful QB sneaks during his time with the Blue & Gold (1 in his start in 2015 & 1 in game 6 of the 2016 season)
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Quote from: Blue In BC on September 06, 2024, 05:26:20 PMHmmm. Maier benched in Calgary. That doesn't bode well for him going into 2025. He's in the last year of his current contract.

Calgary now becomes a potential trading partner with BC to get VAJ. I still think chances BC does that in conference is remote but not impossible. Hamilton is where I suspect he goes.

Maier? Quite possibly out of the CFL along with QB's like Cornelius. He'd have to take a big cut to land as a # 2 somewhere.

Dickenson starting to feel the pressure, very good chance he gets fired if the Stamps don't make the playoffs this year after a couple of down years, IMO. Liked what I saw in Bonner for 2 years, not very mobile but seems to be smart and can sling the ball. I think Maier will stay in the league and possibly find redemption under a different system, likely out East.

Jesse

Quote from: Blue In BC on September 06, 2024, 05:26:20 PMHmmm. Maier benched in Calgary. That doesn't bode well for him going into 2025. He's in the last year of his current contract.

Calgary now becomes a potential trading partner with BC to get VAJ. I still think chances BC does that in conference is remote but not impossible. Hamilton is where I suspect he goes.

Maier? Quite possibly out of the CFL along with QB's like Cornelius. He'd have to take a big cut to land as a # 2 somewhere.

This isn't a big deal in the CFL.

1. You can't cross out half your potential trading partners.
2. You don't really play that many more games against your division. You're going to decline a better trade offer because you might play one extra game against the player?
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Blue In BC

Quote from: Jesse on September 06, 2024, 06:27:56 PMThis isn't a big deal in the CFL.

1. You can't cross out half your potential trading partners.
2. You don't really play that many more games against your division. You're going to decline a better trade offer because you might play one extra game against the player?

Trading partners are eliminated by those not needing a player at a given position. Elks are a bit of a wildcard in that I think both QB's are potential free agents.

Calgary and the TiCats look to be the only teams in the market for a new QB. QB's traded in the same division are not usually TOP QB's but back ups that have shown some potential.

It is a big deal in the CFL. I guess we'll see how this works out but my money is on the TiCats landing VAJ.

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Quote from: Blue In BC on September 06, 2024, 06:39:51 PMTrading partners are eliminated by those not needing a player at a given position. Elks are a bit of a wildcard in that I think both QB's are potential free agents.

Calgary and the TiCats look to be the only teams in the market for a new QB. QB's traded in the same division are not usually TOP QB's but back ups that have shown some potential.

It is a big deal in the CFL. I guess we'll see how this works out but my money is on the TiCats landing VAJ.



Where the heck is Khari Jones nowadays?  last heard from fired by the RB's and replaced with Condell November 3, 2023.

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Don't under estimate the power of developing a QB behind the scenes.  Worked with Brown.  Yes they need reps.  But you have to remember we have an good OC and exceptional mentor in Zach.  Wilson if he has the tools is like a sponge.  He has the physical and hopefully overtime he can figure out the game and it slows down from him when we need him.  I would estimate he is 2 to 3 years away from being ready.  Patience might pay off but with prospect QBs it's anyone's guess.  I loved Brown from the start.  I also like Wilson.