Should command go back to the 2021-2023 standard?

[TecnoGenius]

How long are folks willing to wait to 'get it right'? 1 Minute, 5 Minutes, 10 Minutes?

Techno's screen cuts look right, but how long did it take him? 1 Minute, 5 Minutes, 10 Minutes?

Again, I knew within 10s of being able to get into freezeframe mode that his foot was out.  Command often takes 1-3 mins to decide questionable TDs.  They had plenty of time under normal time limits.

I guess some might not understand how easy good technology makes this?  Maybe I should do a YT video of myself showing & explaining how my tech works?  If all you have is the Shaw PVR then you don't understand how computers make reviews like this trivial.

[TecnoGenius]

Eliminate challenges all together because that is where the slow motion zoom in  debates really happen.

No.  Then you get the NFL where entirely fake DPI is called in a Falcons superbowl that allows the game to be rigged for Vegas and no one can do anything about it at all.

I want teams to have ways to ensure the refs are not paid off (superbowls) or stealing games for their home team (CGY no-end ref).

That is why I firmly believe MOS should almost always keep his challenge until mid-4th Q.  Unless he's 10000% sure he'll win, even based on the new lame command standards.

[TecnoGenius]

Last year seemed to be a much lower talking point but this year....not so much.

Yes, 100% my point.  2021-2023 had a few gripes but we really had it great compared to this shambles of a command center year.

[TecnoGenius]

Entertainment for you:

Great compilation of command shambles!!

Also, watch again and notice the difference in lighting between all the other stadiums vs the OTT stadium!  Wow... it's crazy noticeable when shown back to back like this!  CFL do something about that lighting!!

[TecnoGenius]

We are in a bad run right now and hopefully it's a clean game on Sunday.

Would you bet on that?      

Vegas should put lines on ref and command screwups!!  You'd make a fortune betting on incompetence this season!

[TecnoGenius]

If you just watch the video and freeze it the moment he made the step on the line, he was in.

Later, people broke it down and saw that as he pushed off from that step, his foot rotated and that's the point where it looks like he could have slid out (still subject to the camera angle debate).

But for the command centre to make the call in the time they have, it was not even controversial, imo.

Sorry, but that's a very weird take.  "TSN froze it on the frame that shows it's ok, so it's ok"??  Some pimply kid working the PVR for TSN decides the call based on his (dumb or biased) choice of frame?  That's not how it works.  The TSN frame choice has nothing to do with command's decision.  They get the raw feeds, not the TSN coverage.

If you take 2 pregnancy tests and the first one says non-pregnant, and the second one says pregnant, and you only send the picture of the first one to your significant other... does that mean you're not pregnant?  Half pregnant?

http://forums.bluebombers.com/index.php?msg=1634590

There was no "later people broke it down": Ignore the "people".  Command had all of the angles in realtime and were jog-shuttling them just like I was and clearly saw all of the frames I posted.  AND then they still decided to say he was in-bounds the whole time.

That all takes 10 seconds.  Really, it does.

So command KNEW he was out and then still called it a TD because their new standard is "clear in livetime".  They don't CARE about the freezeframe.  Not that they didn't see it: it's that they don't care.

So the real question is: do we like the new standard or do we want to get it perfect (on a game-winning scoring play)?  It's fine to argue either way, and it's clear you like the new standard.  But don't give command an "out" by saying this is a time or tech issue, because it's not.  It's a conscious choice to get the call wrong if the call requires frame accuracy.

The problem is: the last 5 years they would officiate to frame accuracy.  This new standard is all new to us fans, and thus the huge uproar across the fan base.

[Jesse]

Simply, I don't believe there's a new standard. We getting upset at calls at the same rate as we always have, imo.

[TecnoGenius]

Simply, I don't believe there's a new standard. We getting upset at calls at the same rate as we always have, imo.

Uh... you did watch all 7 games so far in the last 2 weeks?  TSN booth guys have been chattering about the new standards in every single game.  They are relaying all the league's new guidelines bit by bit every chance they can get.  Basically, whenever there's an iffy play or a challenge or review they are reminding viewers that command won't try to "get it right" using all available tech/frames/zooms anymore like they did last year.

For instance, they did so again in the EDM@HAM game tonight.  Outlining how it has to be clear and obvious in realtime with no slowmo and no zooms.

I guarantee you without a doubt there is a "new standard" ever since The Neverending SSK@OTT game and the spate of blown-dead-fumbles (which elicited yet another "new standard" they spelled out for us which is to basically always let fumbles play out, which we saw in this week's SSK game).

Just because I don't think we've seen the official CFL memo, doesn't mean it isn't clear they are working to new guidelines.

[TecnoGenius]

The biggest problem is that the league didn't release an official statement to the public (AFAIK) outlining precisely what the new standard is.  All we get is the leaks from the press and TSN people.

No one has made it clear that the new standard is a radical departure from the standards of the last 10 years.  Thus fans get mad when what made sense last year no longer makes sense this year.

The league should have been (and still can be) more transparent by releasing the full text of the guideline changes, and being clear about the implications vis a vis freezeframe vs realtime.  I think they need to come out and explicitly tell everyone to completely forget everything we know about how command will rule in the past.  They ripped up the old guideline book, so come out and say so.

If we assume for a second that command knew Alexander was 100% for sure OOB, who here thinks 2023 command would uphold that TD?  I would bet my entire fortune upon the fact that 2023 command overturns that TD.  It's this simple fact that is upsetting fans... they aren't aware we are in a radical new world.

But to their credit: command has been 100% consistent with his new standard this week and last.  We even saw our first overturned non-DPI in the @HAM game (because it was obvious in realtime).

[TBURGESS]

If he's not out in real time, then he's not out.

It's the same standard as, if it's not PI in real time, then it's not PI. 

[Blue In BC]

If he's not out in real time, then he's not out.

It's the same standard as, if it's not PI in real time, then it's not PI.

I wouldn't say that is exactly true. Refs miss some calls on the field. It's why we get successful challenges often. Whether the CC should overturn a call that wasn't challenged is a different question.

Take the Rider / Redblack game where the turnover review determined a roughing the passer. I don't know how the call on the field could miss that and believe the penalty was correct in the spirit of the game.

[TBURGESS]

I wouldn't say that is exactly true. Refs miss some calls on the field. It's why we get successful challenges often. Whether the CC should overturn a call that wasn't challenged is a different question.

Take the Rider / Redblack game where the turnover review determined a roughing the passer. I don't know how the call on the field could miss that and believe the penalty was correct in the spirit of the game.

I didn't mean that the CC shouldn't overturn Ref's mistakes. 

The standard for PI is: 'if it wasn't PI without going to slow mo or super slo mo then it's not PI' 
The standard for in or out should be 'If you can't tell if the player was in or out without going frame by frame, then go with the call on the field'.

[Blueforlife]

Such a complex problem to fix, this year has been a big issue. Have seen officiating issues for as long as I can remember in different forms.  Hopefully we can improve.  Tough spot now.  Consistency is key.  Almost impossible to achieve.

[Horseman]

It was out. There are picture on twitter.

Fake pictures.LOL he was in bounds as per TV replay.

[The Zipp]

These "issues" have cast a spotlight on the command center and officials...they are going to need a couple of weeks of no controversy to not be in this light.

  Hopefully tonight is a clean, hard fought game with no big reason to go to the command centre.  That's what will be best for the CFL right now - forgetting they even exist is what needs to happen.