FB situation (Awachie?)

[Blue In BC]

Last game I swear I saw Eli filling in at FB.

Probably will see 1 of Eli or Wallace in that role or as a TE. There will be a 50 lb higher weight using an OL so foot speed will be slower.

OTOH, I'd like to see a pass to a 300 lb OL and watch a 170 lb DB try and tackle him.  lol

I had hoped over the past couple of seasons that Augustine could be used in that manner but his blocking must be suspect. Too bad because he'd be a much better potential offensive weapon the defence would have to take into account. I don't think they'd seriously worry too much about Feltmate or Eli.

[Sir Blue and Gold]

Probably will see 1 of Eli or Wallace in that role or as a TE. There will be a 50 lb higher weight using an OL so foot speed will be slower.

OTOH, I'd like to see a pass to a 300 lb OL and watch a 170 lb DB try and tackle him.  lol

I had hoped over the past couple of seasons that Augustine could be used in that manner but his blocking must be suspect. Too bad because he'd be a much better potential offensive weapon the defence would have to take into account. I don't think they'd seriously worry too much about Feltmate or Eli.

We don't put Feltmate or Eli or anyone in as eligible to use offensively in that role. If we run something, it's like a once or twice a year play call. They are in to protect or assist in getting a +1 at the line for running situations. The role of a fullback in the modern CFL has really evolved to be blocking orientated. Backfield protection falls to the running back and they're required to be able to do it well. We don't (and no one else really) needs a half blocker/half running back which is what a more traditional full back used to do. You either use a proper offensive lineman to block or you keep the 5th receiver in as a legitimate route-running passing option.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

We don't put Feltmate or Eli or anyone in as eligible to use offensively in that role. If we run something, it's like a once or twice a year play call. They are in to protect or assist in getting a +1 at the line for running situations. The role of a fullback in the modern CFL has really evolved to be blocking orientated. Backfield protection falls to the running back and they're required to be able to do it well. We don't (and no one else really) needs a half blocker/half running back which is what a more traditional full back used to do. You either use a proper offensive lineman to block or you keep the 5th receiver in as a legitimate route-running passing option.

Always thought Shane Gauthier could fill the FB role well with a little bit of training following in the footsteps of ex LB Mike Miller.  Gauthier's role as a LB looks to be diminished this season, which is too bad as he's better than Bighill at pure run stopping.

[Blue In BC]

We don't put Feltmate or Eli or anyone in as eligible to use offensively in that role. If we run something, it's like a once or twice a year play call. They are in to protect or assist in getting a +1 at the line for running situations. The role of a fullback in the modern CFL has really evolved to be blocking orientated. Backfield protection falls to the running back and they're required to be able to do it well. We don't (and no one else really) needs a half blocker/half running back which is what a more traditional full back used to do. You either use a proper offensive lineman to block or you keep the 5th receiver in as a legitimate route-running passing option.

It doesn't hurt if you have a FB that can be an offensive option. Just because there are few FB's at the moment that aren't that option, doesn't mean some don't exist with that capability.

We know that Augustine can run and catch. If he could block well, then he'd be a perfect fit.

Feltmate was very good on ST's as well.

Lions have Mackie and he's used a few times as an offensive weapon.

Argos now list Adeboboye on the roster as a RB but on the depth chart as a FB. He has the ability to be used as an offensive weapon.

[Sir Blue and Gold]

It doesn't hurt if you have a FB that can be an offensive option. Just because there are few FB's at the moment that aren't that option, doesn't mean some don't exist with that capability.

We know that Augustine can run and catch. If he could block well, then he'd be a perfect fit.

Feltmate was very good on ST's as well.

Lions have Mackie and he's used a few times as an offensive weapon.

Argos now list Adeboboye on the roster as a RB but on the depth chart as a FB. He has the ability to be used as an offensive weapon.

And in 8 games he has 8 carries for 89 yards rushing and 5 catches for 27 yards passing. Assuming all of those plays are when he's in as an actual fullback (which may or may not be true [I doubt it is]) that's not much production. I'm not saying it's a terrible idea, it's just not going to move the needle much either.

What I am saying is it's far more valuable to have good protection and run blocking than what amounts to 14.5 yards in offensive production per game. If we're looking at it from that lens then we would much rather have Eli or a 6th offensive lineman in the game. This is not just an 'us' thing. That's the trend across the league for probably the last 10 years or more. 

[gobombersgo]

And in 8 games he has 8 carries for 89 yards rushing and 5 catches for 27 yards passing. Assuming all of those plays are when he's in as an actual fullback (which may or may not be true [I doubt it is]) that's not much production. I'm not saying it's a terrible idea, it's just not going to move the needle much either.

What I am saying is it's far more valuable to have good protection and run blocking than what amounts to 14.5 yards in offensive production per game. If we're looking at it from that lens then we would much rather have Eli or a 6th offensive lineman in the game. This is not just an 'us' thing. That's the trend across the league for probably the last 10 years or more. 

Yeah, if given the choice of rolling with a fullback or a 7th olineman Id go with the rostering a 7th olineman.

That's what the Stamps decided to do this week. They moved their fullback to the practice roster and are now dressing 7 olineman.

Lucas Robertson is available to scoop up if someone wants a fullback/TE ( in 8 games he has 0 rushes and 1 catch)

The Riders on the other hand picked up a fullback as they had more of a need. They are only dressing 6 olinemen for tonight's game.

[theaardvark]

I think they need to put Jake in at FB.  After all, FB FatBoi just has a certain ring to it.  And everyone likes revisiting the Fridge.  I know I do.

[gobombersgo]

I think they need to put Jake in at FB.  After all, FB FatBoi just has a certain ring to it.  And everyone likes revisiting the Fridge.  I know I do.

I know you are joking but if anyone from the defence comes in on offence it would be Jefferson. He has been in on a few goalline plays in the past and did start his college career as a receiver/ tight end.

[ichabod_crane]

Is FB Mike Sellers from "Thunder & Lightning" days still able to play?!! He was a MAJOR load back in the day combined with Charles (don't call me Charlie) "Blink" Roberts!    

[Blue In BC]

Yeah, if given the choice of rolling with a fullback or a 7th olineman Id go with the rostering a 7th olineman.

That's what the Stamps decided to do this week. They moved their fullback to the practice roster and are now dressing 7 olineman.

Lucas Robertson is available to scoop up if someone wants a fullback/TE ( in 8 games he has 0 rushes and 1 catch)

The Riders on the other hand picked up a fullback as they had more of a need. They are only dressing 6 olinemen for tonight's game.

That isn't the only choice. We've dressed 7 OL all season and have also had a FB. Eliminating the 2nd Global player from the AR is one way to do that. Another way is to eliminate a Canadian LB or DB. Charbonneau or Kelly for example.

[Sir Blue and Gold]

That isn't the only choice. We've dressed 7 OL all season and have also had a FB. Eliminating the 2nd Global player from the AR is one way to do that. Another way is to eliminate a Canadian LB or DB. Charbonneau or Kelly for example.

Obviously we could find room, but what I'm trying to point out is that there really isn't a need to, since the assignments we'd give to a full back are largly being handled by other players.

It's fine if you're just a fan of the hybrid blocking back/running back as a concept and wished it came back in vogue, I agree with you there -- it's fun to watch -- but fun to watch isn't how the Bombers choose who plays on game day and across the league that skillset really isn't used much like it used to for reasons already explained.

[TecnoGenius]

Obviously we could find room, but what I'm trying to point out is that there really isn't a need to, since the assignments we'd give to a full back are largly being handled by other players.

Have you been watching the Buck O in '23 and '24?  We run FB (as TE or half-back to the QB) sets probably every 4th play on average when we're allowed to run "our O" (i.e. not desperation time).

In '23 we even wasted a DI spot on an IMP FB nearly every game!  That's how important a FB is to the Buck/MOS book.

I think it's killing Buck/MOS there is no true FB on the roster at the moment, and I'm sure they're eyeing options if our 2 natural FBs are going to be out for a full 6 games.  We 100% for sure want a true FB available for the lead up/into the playoffs.

I think BinBC suggested in another thread we could also be eyeing calling up Mr. Seal Jackson.  We still have the ratio room, though wasting a DI kind of sucks (just like last year).

So you're 100% right CFL teams don't "need to" have a FB... but I think I've proven we really like to.  I guarantee you this: if one of our guys is fully healthy tomorrow, they are in the next game.

[TecnoGenius]

Yeah, if given the choice of rolling with a fullback or a 7th olineman Id go with the rostering a 7th olineman.

That isn't the only choice. We've dressed 7 OL all season and have also had a FB. Eliminating the 2nd Global player from the AR is one way to do that. Another way is to eliminate a Canadian LB or DB. Charbonneau or Kelly for example.

BinBC is right: False dichotomy.  It's not either-or, it's both-and.  We almost always dress 7 OL and a FB.  I see nothing to indicate that we want to move away from that.  Not saying it's the best/right choice, but it's the choice Mafia makes every time, and it seems to work for us.

[TecnoGenius]

And in 8 games he has 8 carries for 89 yards rushing and 5 catches for 27 yards passing. Assuming all of those plays are when he's in as an actual fullback (which may or may not be true [I doubt it is]) that's not much production. I'm not saying it's a terrible idea, it's just not going to move the needle much either.

The O stats production of our FB is irrelevant.  We don't care if they run or catch.  They are protection, road-grading, and misdirection.

If we get a "free" 1st down or TD because they sneak out unnoticed (as other teams often do), then that's gravy.  And probably very worthwhile gravy, because not only do you gain something, but you force every subsequent opponent to plan around your FB being a threat.

Miller would get 1-2 pass looks a season.  Jackson got 1-2 (I think caught 1, dropped 1?).  That's pretty normal for our Mafia-led team.

[theaardvark]

I know you are joking but if anyone from the defence comes in on offence it would be Jefferson. He has been in on a few goalline plays in the past and did start his college career as a receiver/ tight end.

Jefferson is a receiver, Thomas is a FB.  Bring them both, iron man football.