Official Game Day Thread - Winnipeg at Toronto July 27, 2024

[dd]

There's no debating the interference on Demski. Defenders right arm is clearly on Demski shoulder and twisted his body prior to the ball arriving, that is taking away Demski s opportunity to catch the football, and that by definition is interference. It's not even close. What's sad is after video replay CC doesn't have the stones to overturn the bad call.

I don't think there's a conspiracy to screw us over, it's just we re getting back to back to back bad calls that impact our games. It's frustrating when the refs can't get it right even with video review

[J5V]

There's no debating the interference on Demski. Defenders right arm is clearly on Demski shoulder and twisted his body prior to the ball arriving, that is taking away Demski s opportunity to catch the football, and that by definition is interference. It's not even close. What's sad is after video replay CC doesn't have the stones to overturn the bad call.

I don't think there's a conspiracy to screw us over, it's just we re getting back to back to back bad calls that impact our games. It's frustrating when the refs can't get it right even with video review

What's deafening to me, and most disconcerting as a Bomber fan and fan of the CFL, is the lack of comment by the league. Not even an apology for the phantom calls in Regina. Just silence. As if we're just supposed to accept it. As a fan, I cannot accept it. I see it as a severe problem that must be addressed for the sake of the league and all teams within it.

[dd]

Ya, you'll never see the league apologize for the poor officiating, it just won't happen. They'll go about their business and meet post game and do their evaluation and try and eliminate the bad calls, but they'll never come out and apologize for the bad calls.

People make mistakes, they do every game, all the league can do is do their post game analysis, review the play with the official, what he saw/didn't see, and coach him up and hopefully get better results next time. The game happens so fast, I m sure everyone of the officials making the bad calls, could sit at home with their PVR's and get it right, but in the heat of the moment, its alot tougher than it looks.

The frustrating part is not the mistakes being made on the field, but why can't CC correct it as they have the benefit of video review.

[gobombersgo]

What's deafening to me, and most disconcerting as a Bomber fan and fan of the CFL, is the lack of comment by the league. Not even an apology for the phantom calls in Regina. Just silence. As if we're just supposed to accept it. As a fan, I cannot accept it. I see it as a severe problem that must be addressed for the sake of the league and all teams within it.

Yeah,I hear you. The league does have a "contact us" link on their website.

You may not hear back from them but it does feel good to send them a blast.
https://www.cfl.ca/contact-us/

I dont think the league has been open and transparent with their officiating since Tom Higgins was in charge.

My main concern is the lack of consistency with the calls. Sure, dont call that PI last night but how the heck were the Bombers called interefence on those plays in Regina?

[theaardvark]

On the OLine we have the ratio room to insert our PR Olineman Vanterpool and Randolph...question is are they on the PR solely because of their passports, or are they not good enough to start?

Regarding ratio,  if we're sticking with BA, Bryant, Jefferson, Lofton, and Nichols as starters, why aren't we taking advantage of the Nationalized American rule?

Nationalized American players are defined as having played with their current team for 3 years or at least 5 years in the League. One Nationalized American player may be listed as one of the eight National starters.

This would give us even more ratio flexibility.  I know MOS has in the past expressed his distaste for the designated national rule when teams used it to get an imp to replace a national after one snap so they could play most of the game, but we've got so many imp vets that we're starting...  (Designated Nationalized Americans can replace Cdn starters for up to 25 Snaps)

Why not give us more flexibility with the ratio by designating one of our imp starting vets as a Nationalized American so we can dress players who give us the best chance to win? 

We don't need a NA.  If we had an American better than a Nat starter, they'd be in there.  We have a lot of legit good Nats.  And by not using any NA, we get an extra draft pick.  So why bother.

OTOH, Pinball is in such ratio problem that he had to release Sheed to bring another NAT onto his roster.  I prefer not having to release your 2nd best receiver due to ratio.

[Slingin Sammy]

More ratio flexibility to do what? We're already starting 10 Canadians. Two DI's are on defence. 3 additional imports that aren't starting are on defence.

Case was the only back up receiver and he was in his 2nd game. At one point we had to put Streveler in as a receiver when Johnson was pulled after getting hit.

Nick and Noah Hallett, Bridges, Griffin and McGhee were all extra DB's so we had a lot of flexibility on that side of the ball.

3 Canadian back LB's + Ayers. Hubert, Thomas, Gauthier on defence as well.

Start Vanterpool and/or Randolph over one or two of our Cdn Olineman if they're better than what we've seen from Neufeld, Kolankowski or Dobson

[Slingin Sammy]

We don't need a NA.  If we had an American better than a Nat starter, they'd be in there.  We have a lot of legit good Nats.  And by not using any NA, we get an extra draft pick.  So why bother.

OTOH, Pinball is in such ratio problem that he had to release Sheed to bring another NAT onto his roster.  I prefer not having to release your 2nd best receiver due to ratio.

That's not always the case in this league.  If we designated Bryant as a NA we could start 4 imps on the Oline.  Maybe Vanterpool and Randolph aren't better options than Neufeld, Dobson and/or Kolankowski...but I'm skeptical given MOS' roster mgmt this year

[theaardvark]

That's not always the case in this league.  If we designated Bryant as a NA we could start 4 imps on the Oline.  Maybe Vanterpool and Randolph aren't better options than Neufeld, Dobson and/or Kolankowski...but I'm skeptical given MOS' roster mgmt this year

We tried the IMPs on our PR inside in preseason. They were not impressive. 

Are they better now?  Who knows.  But they are not guys we brought in to be OG's, and definitely they are not C.  They were brought in to back up our OT's. 

An OT is not the same as an OG, not even close.  Watch how an OT starts a down.  They are two point, and start by back kicking off the line.  OG's are three point and move into the DL. 

The idea of a 3, 4 or even 5 IMP Oline is a pipe dream.  Even if we had the ratio to do it, getting 5 IMP Olinemen up to speed on the CFL would take years.  One of the reasons why almost every team always tries for a 3 or 4 NAT Oline.  And why Oline are such a big part of the draft. 

[gobombersgo]

We tried the IMPs on our PR inside in preseason. They were not impressive. 

Are they better now?  Who knows.  But they are not guys we brought in to be OG's, and definitely they are not C.  They were brought in to back up our OT's. 

An OT is not the same as an OG, not even close.  Watch how an OT starts a down.  They are two point, and start by back kicking off the line.  OG's are three point and move into the DL. 

The idea of a 3, 4 or even 5 IMP Oline is a pipe dream.  Even if we had the ratio to do it, getting 5 IMP Olinemen up to speed on the CFL would take years.  One of the reasons why almost every team always tries for a 3 or 4 NAT Oline.  And why Oline are such a big part of the draft. 

Vanterpool actually has lots of experience as a guard. I would find a way to get him on the roster.

I would also put Eli in at centre.

[Jesse]

Vanterpool actually has lots of experience as a guard. I would find a way to get him on the roster.

I would also put Eli in at centre.

Eli went in for Nuefeld yesterday and it was the OLs worst game.

[Blue In BC]

Start Vanterpool and/or Randolph over one or two of our Cdn Olineman if they're better than what we've seen from Neufeld, Kolankowski or Dobson

We can do that without using that designation. It also limits the number of snaps for the import you designate that way.

The ultimate question is whether the import OL are better than the Canadians.

[gobombersgo]

Eli went in for Nuefeld yesterday and it was the OLs worst game.

The oline was already bad before Eli went in. Eli also went in as guard thats why I said he should be centre.

[Jesse]

The oline was already bad before Eli went in. Eli also went in as guard thats why I said he should be centre.

I just don't know if he's shown the coaches any reason to put him in. They would have to believe he'd play better than what they have.

[J5V]

Ya, you'll never see the league apologize for the poor officiating, it just won't happen. They'll go about their business and meet post game and do their evaluation and try and eliminate the bad calls, but they'll never come out and apologize for the bad calls.

People make mistakes, they do every game, all the league can do is do their post game analysis, review the play with the official, what he saw/didn't see, and coach him up and hopefully get better results next time. The game happens so fast, I m sure everyone of the officials making the bad calls, could sit at home with their PVR's and get it right, but in the heat of the moment, its alot tougher than it looks.

The frustrating part is not the mistakes being made on the field, but why can't CC correct it as they have the benefit of video review.

The league has apologized for this sort of thing in the past. That's why their silence now is deafening. I also cannot understand the silence from the Bomber management side. Where is Wade Miller?

[theaardvark]

Vanterpool actually has lots of experience as a guard. I would find a way to get him on the roster.

I would also put Eli in at centre.

Vanterpool has lots of experience in 3 down Oline play?  A yard off the ball? 

NCAA 4 down vs. CFL 3 down is not an easy migration. Not saying he can't play OG, just saying we have guys with a lot more experience on the roster.  An American passport doesn't mean he's better.