Noah Hallett

Started by Blue In BC, July 09, 2024, 09:18:41 PM

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Time for players to step up or show them the door.

Blueforlife

Quote from: BLUEBOMBER on July 10, 2024, 08:30:22 PMTime for players to step up or show them the door.
You don't get better by deletion most of the time.

Blue In BC

Quote from: Blueforlife on July 11, 2024, 03:35:36 AMYou don't get better by deletion most of the time.

That's just not true. You can't hang on to everybody forever.
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LXTSN

Agreed. And the Bombers are in a bad habit of keeping guys around that will never be starters.
Guys like Augustine, Gauthier and the Halletts are lifetime backups, and decent special teams players. We gotta start developing new talent in those positions like Cadwalader, and Kelly.

theaardvark

Quote from: LXTSN on July 11, 2024, 01:20:20 PMAgreed. And the Bombers are in a bad habit of keeping guys around that will never be starters.
Guys like Augustine, Gauthier and the Halletts are lifetime backups, and decent special teams players. We gotta start developing new talent in those positions like Cadwalader, and Kelly.

Circular reference, yo sate how we need to develop guys, and then quote two guys on the roster that are developing.

Continuity veteran min wage ST NAT players/backups are important backbones of the team, especially the ST unit. We aren't paying them a bundle, and that lets us use $sms elsewhere.  You can't have a team of all starters, just not feasible ether from a $SMS standpoint, or player satisfaction standpoint.  Having guys who are happy with min wage and happy in a backup/ST role are very, very important to have, keeping them around give continuity and familiarity with the rest of the team and coaches.
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Blue In BC

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Quote from: theaardvark on July 11, 2024, 01:48:14 PMCircular reference, yo sate how we need to develop guys, and then quote two guys on the roster that are developing.

Continuity veteran min wage ST NAT players/backups are important backbones of the team, especially the ST unit. We aren't paying them a bundle, and that lets us use $sms elsewhere.  You can't have a team of all starters, just not feasible ether from a $SMS standpoint, or player satisfaction standpoint.  Having guys who are happy with min wage and happy in a backup/ST role are very, very important to have, keeping them around give continuity and familiarity with the rest of the team and coaches.


Hallett and Augustine have been around for 5+ years and are 30+ years old. Both are good back up players. OTOH, Augustine earns about $110K. Hallett might be similar.

Gauthier is an 8 year veteran and 32 years old. Still provides good depth.

I'm not suggesting cutting any of them, but we have younger players that might replace them in 2025. Age and SMS come into play.

Noah Hallett is 4 years younger than Nick. He may or may not be his replacement or they might both make the roster. Kelly is in the mix possibly.

Bombers add some youth each season. Too early to predict who leaves or is gained in free agency or who we draft at which positions.

Going into 2024 we parted ways with nearly half of the roster. Some lost in free agency, some retired or were cut.

You do need those blue collar players even though many will never be more than emergency back ups and ST players.
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TBURGESS

Quote from: BLUEBOMBER on July 10, 2024, 08:30:22 PMTime for players to step up or show them the door.
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theaardvark

Quote from: Blue In BC on July 11, 2024, 02:08:19 PMHallett and Augustine have been around for 5+ years and are 30+ years old. Both are good back up players. OTOH, Augustine earns about $110K. Hallett might be similar.

Gauthier is an 8 year veteran and 32 years old. Still provides good depth.

I'm not suggesting cutting any of them, but we have younger players that might replace them in 2025. Age and SMS come into play.

Noah Hallett is 4 years younger than Nick. He may or may not be his replacement or they might both make the roster. Kelly is in the mix possibly.

Bombers add some youth each season. Too early to predict who leaves or is gained in free agency or who we draft at which positions.

Going into 2024 we parted ways with nearly half of the roster. Some lost in free agency, some retired or were cut.

You do need those blue collar players even though many will never be more than emergency back ups and ST players.

We drafted 10 players this year.

Two are starting, 2 are on the AR as backups, one is on the PR, i think 2 are back in school, one is a long shot to come north.

So, five of this years draft picks are on the roster in some way, 2 starting this week.  I think that is a fair amount of "new blood".
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LXTSN

Quote from: theaardvark on July 11, 2024, 01:48:14 PMCircular reference, yo sate how we need to develop guys, and then quote two guys on the roster that are developing.

Continuity veteran min wage ST NAT players/backups are important backbones of the team, especially the ST unit. We aren't paying them a bundle, and that lets us use $sms elsewhere.  You can't have a team of all starters, just not feasible ether from a $SMS standpoint, or player satisfaction standpoint.  Having guys who are happy with min wage and happy in a backup/ST role are very, very important to have, keeping them around give continuity and familiarity with the rest of the team and coaches.

This is my point. I don't like this argument for keeping these guys around. You want guys that are eager to improve and fight to become starters.

theaardvark

Quote from: LXTSN on July 11, 2024, 07:00:50 PMThis is my point. I don't like this argument for keeping these guys around. You want guys that are eager to improve and fight to become starters.

If you think ANY of these guys does not want to be a starter, you're nuts.  They are happy to be "next man up", ready to come in when needed.  They all know their starting positions, and can come in when needed.  Raw rookies might be eager to improve, and want to be next up, but they do not have the seasoning, maturity and familiarity that a vet does.  Plus, these vets are coaches, helping their position coaches and co-ordinators coach up the new guys. 

There are roles for up and coming players and vet journeymen.  If your whole team is one or the other, you are in trouble.  Balance is the key, and we have that nicely
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Throw Long Bannatyne

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Anyone questioning why Kramdi became and remains a starter needs to read the following Ed Tait article, he embodies everything O'Shea endlessly promotes.

https://www.bluebombers.com/2024/07/10/48-hour-primer-cal-at-wpg/

Blue In BC

Quote from: theaardvark on July 11, 2024, 05:02:50 PMWe drafted 10 players this year.

Two are starting, 2 are on the AR as backups, one is on the PR, i think 2 are back in school, one is a long shot to come north.

So, five of this years draft picks are on the roster in some way, 2 starting this week.  I think that is a fair amount of "new blood".

That's why I suggested that some of the vets may not play past 2024. In 2025 there will be more draft choices and some will earn roster spots. To some degree that is done in order to retain them. Not every will accept a PR spot.
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theaardvark

Every year, vets go by the wayside.  Miller, Jackson, McCrae, Murphy, and starters like Rose, Gray, Jeffcoat. 

Yes, next year we will see the same.  Maybe more.  We are the oldest team in the league, but the 2025 home Grey Cup is something players and coaches are looking towards.  We might have kept Dru if that wasn't there.

Every year, we see turnover.  The key is making sure the pipeline has sufficient stock to cover.  We got stung by injuries and some of the guys we let get away would have looked good on the DC today, but that's football.  Injuries happen.

Just have to keep that pipeline filled.   
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kkc60

Quote from: theaardvark on July 11, 2024, 08:58:29 PMEvery year, vets go by the wayside.  Miller, Jackson, McCrae, Murphy, and starters like Rose, Gray, Jeffcoat. 

Yes, next year we will see the same.  Maybe more.  We are the oldest team in the league, but the 2025 home Grey Cup is something players and coaches are looking towards.  We might have kept Dru if that wasn't there.

Every year, we see turnover.  The key is making sure the pipeline has sufficient stock to cover.  We got stung by injuries and some of the guys we let get away would have looked good on the DC today, but that's football.  Injuries happen.

Just have to keep that pipeline filled.   
Murphy?

kkc60

I think Hallett is simply a huge question mark. Around the time we had him injured we also had Rene and Malcolm Thompson recovering from ACL injuries. The fact he was chosen over those two means either he showed better (which is significant considering those two are both starting games now),the Bombers put themselves in an awkward situation in terms of cutting the brother of another player on the team (or they're biased towards him due to that relationship) or they just simply picked the wrong guy