The good, the bad, the ugly - Ott at Wpg, Jul 5, 2024

Started by Cool Spot, July 06, 2024, 03:32:18 AM

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Cool Spot

This is my very first Good/Bad/Ugly thread ever, and first time even commenting on one. It may be a little rough.  :o

The Good
* Wpg goes 1-4, instead of dropping to 0-5
* Combination of Streveler and Oliveira's running game very impactful, gives the Bomber offense a new element
* Castillo's kicking looked great, went 6/6 for FGs
* Defense coverage, particularly in the secondary, played well. Bonds' interception was great
* Special teams coverage played pretty well
* Forced turnovers on defense were well-earned

The Bad
* On offense, quite a few stalled drives. The lack of a passing attack really showed once Ottawa tightened up on defense
* Don't know what it is, but Dustin Crum has Wpg's number when it comes to rushing
* Defense gave up a couple of long plays
* I know it went in Wpg's favor, but I don't know about that lateral at the end of the first half that wasn't ruled a forward pass, but a fumbled lateral that Wpg recovered. To me, it looked either very slightly forward, or straight sideways but not backward

The Ugly
* The two hits, one by each team, on the sliding QB. Whether or not they were intentional, the whole point of QB sliding is to avoid those types of things

Jesse

Using Strev to create space for Brady was excellent. Need to be able to do the same thing when Zach is under centre.

Because, let's face it, 100 yards passing isn't going to win many games.
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Blue In BC

I was surprised the lateral wasn't overturned. It was close and I suppose not enough to overturn the call on the field. Either way it was a break for the Bombers IMO.

Great strip by Willie and great pick by Bond.

Hardly any stats for the front 4. Zero from Fayad, Woods or Thomas. The tackles were made at the 2nd level by our LB's and secondary. We gave up 190 yards rushing. The upside is Ottawa only passed for 126 yards.
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dd

The Good
Heroic efforts by Brady and Strev
O line had their best game this year—encouraging
Nice pick by Bonds, and play by our secondary
Castillo was rock solid going 6- 6
Adams had a decent game at tackle

The Bad
Bighill and Jefferson both have lost a step and missed tackles they used to make

The Ugly
The unnecessary hits to the head both sliding Qbs took- this needs to be eliminated from the game as it defeats the purpose of the slide. It's sim9le, the guys sliding, back off. To me any hit to the head of a slid8ng Qb should be a game ejection, get rid of the cheap crap once and for all

gordo

The Good
A fabulous win!!!!!
I got in without my ticket in Apple Wallet Ticketmaster didn't crap out on me at the gate!
Streveler - he's not a throwing qb but he gives it his all and does what it takes to win. He runs and throws his body in harms way to get an extra yard. He led us to victory. Very happy. And his passing was much better today than ever. His shot put delivery was not seen today. A keeper and a great leader. 
Brady I said if he was healthy and game ready he would be motivated and runs all over the Ottawa defense and lead us to victory. He did. The defeats are over if Brady is back.
Defense - good enough and Willy had his best game.
Bond - we uncovered a gem in training camp. Nice pick. And good run back.
Kickers - both good today.
10 bucks off at Save on Foods - best promotion of the year.  (who gets all those left over gift cards?)

The Bad
I could not find an IPA in Princess Auto Stadium anywhere.  Last game the guy at the upper deck concourse sold me his version of an IPA that he said everyone loved.  It was a Lager from Spain.  And terrible even for a Lager. Today I searched the lower bowl concourse. No IPA.  I love the Bombers and IPA.  Coors pre-game is ok at 5 bucks a can but for 13 bucks you need to give me a decent IPA. Please fix this.

The sun in the upper deck was bad too for us fair haired pasty skinned British descendants. But second half was a gorgeous Winnipeg summer evening to watch the Bombers win. The sun is not a Bomber problem and I won't complain in November when my feet are frozen.

No other bad items. I really enjoyed this win. Even without an IPA.

The Ugly
No IPA anywhere.... oh wait.... see above.




Throw Long Bannatyne

#5
Somebody mentioned on the post game show that this game was a throwback to 2019 when Strev. was the starter at the end of the season between Nichols injury and Zach's arrival, he plays about the same way now as he did back then.  Also the strong reliance on FG's as in Medlock's day and strong ST play on both sides.  Maybe it's an omen of an upswing with the return of Zach and better things to come.

Tiger

Quote from: Blue In BC on July 06, 2024, 03:51:00 AMI was surprised the lateral wasn't overturned. It was close and I suppose not enough to overturn the call on the field. Either way it was a break for the Bombers IMO.

Great strip by Willie and great pick by Bond.

Hardly any stats for the front 4. Zero from Fayad, Woods or Thomas. The tackles were made at the 2nd level by our LB's and secondary. We gave up 190 yards rushing. The upside is Ottawa only passed for 126 yards.

Tell me what you think about Woods when you watch the replay.  I thought he did ok and showed potential.
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Quote from: Jesse on July 06, 2024, 03:35:50 AMUsing Strev to create space for Brady was excellent. Need to be able to do the same thing when Zach is under centre.

Because, let's face it, 100 yards passing isn't going to win many games.

Fair, but on the other hand, when you rush for 212 yards you probably don't lose very often either.

ichabod_crane

Quote from: gordo on July 06, 2024, 04:23:04 AMThe Ugly
No IPA anywhere.... oh wait.... see above.


Can't say I'm a fan of IPA's. I like more red & brown ales or lagers. Pilsner is garbage! :D

ichabod_crane

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 06, 2024, 04:30:31 AMSomebody mentioned on the post game show that this game was a throwback to 2019 when Strev. was the starter at the end of the season between Nichols injury and Zach's arrival, he plays about the same way now as he did back then.  Maybe it's an omen of an upswing with the return of Zach and better things to come.

I noticed Streveler was still fighting for yards near the goal line near the end of the game when he had the first down already. In those situations he should just go down and not take the chance of pulling a groin or muscle. He's our main bread and butter until Zach is back fully healthy. I know he has that fire, but need to use then noggin' at times as well.

Throw Long Bannatyne

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Quote from: ichabod_crane on July 06, 2024, 05:15:13 AMI noticed Streveler was still fighting for yards near the goal line near the end of the game when he had the first down already. In those situations he should just go down and not take the chance of pulling a groin or muscle. He's our main bread and butter until Zach is back fully healthy. I know he has that fire, but need to use then noggin' at times as well.

Next game is against the Stamps so better hope Zach is bach, what worked tonight isn't going to work against them....at least not well enough to win the game.

Pretty clear Strev's. QB skills have not improved enough for him to ever become a CFL starter, he is what he always was, a gadget QB that can win games occasionally though unorthodox methods, this game only confirmed this to be true.  Hopefully Walters has an eye on the future replacement for Collaros and doesn't waste time pursuing or investing in the wrong candidate.

55StickCar

Do they have Fort Garry Dark at the stadium. Good local stuff.

ichabod_crane

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 06, 2024, 05:25:16 AMNext game is against the Stamps so better hope Zach is bach, what worked tonight isn't going to work against them....at least not well enough to win the game.

Pretty clear Strev's. QB skills have not improved enough for him to ever become a CFL starter, he is what he always was, a gadget QB that can win games occasionally though unorthodox methods, this game only confirmed this to be true.  Hopefully Walters has an eye on the future replacement for Collaros and doesn't waste time pursuing or investing in the wrong candidate.

I would have to agree. His longer throwing accuracy is still all over the place and he can be impatient at times. Short to mid range he is OK, but he boffed a short one to Olivera one time I recall in this last game. With Streves it seems if nothing is quickly available to throw to he will just barrel ahead head first for whatever he can get. Now maybe the team says to him to do that as less chance of picks, but that is not true long term starting material in my estimation.

With the amount of practice he has had the past 5 years you would think he would get accuracy figured out by now, but maybe it's just his natural throwing stance or something else similar to that. NOT like he has some speed merchants to throw long to though anyway right now! 😮 Maybe Lucky can be that guy? Just toss it long and hope he can run under it! :) Streves improvisational skills while on the run to complete a pass are nowhere near Zach even with his slow start to the season.

Blueforlife

The good
Run game
The bad
Penalties
The ugly
Nothing

TecnoGenius

Quote from: gordo on July 06, 2024, 04:23:04 AMThe sun in the upper deck was bad too for us fair haired pasty skinned British descendants. But second half was a gorgeous Winnipeg summer evening to watch the Bombers win. The sun is not a Bomber problem and I won't complain in November when my feet are frozen.

That's because you're sitting on the bad side!!  E.S.S!  E.S.S!

(Kidding, I love all my sunny-side compatriots!  And E.S. fans generally are way higher energy, louder & and more fun.)
Never go full Rider!

TecnoGenius

GOOD

2Q14:27 Whoa!  The OL actually picked up a simple switch stunt!  Can we actually be seeing ... progress?!  Was there actually some ... coaching?!

Someone pinch me!

:o  :o  :D  :D
Never go full Rider!

TecnoGenius

UGLY

2Q1:39 The "is the play dead?" play by OTT.  Ya, so I was right when watching live @PAS: the ref blowing in the play did so basically right as OTT snaps the ball.  The blow-in whistle was fairly long and so Dru/Armstead thought it was blown dead.  Then someone from somewhere (maybe their sideline nearby) yelled to keep it going and so Armstead starting running.

Watching on TV I thought for a sec it might be a trick, but Armstead's reaction after he's tackled for ~1Y gain shows that, nope, it was all a big flub-up.

I like and agree with Suits: never seen anything like that.

Chalk one up to PAS crowd noise!!  They should count that in the IP/TC tally... that would be around 145 now?  :D  :D  :D

P.S. Refs could have negated the play and really blown it dead as technically I think the snap needs to wait for the whistle to end, not just start?

P.P.S. This needs to go into the top-50 CFL blooper reels.  This one is really messed up.
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BomberFan73

The good:  Getting our 1st win
The Bad:  Getting our first win in our 5th game
The Ugly: Still too many terrible penalties, very costly ones.

Blue In BC

Quote from: Tiger on July 06, 2024, 04:39:28 AMTell me what you think about Woods when you watch the replay.  I thought he did ok and showed potential.

I'll probably re-watch the game tomorrow. I think Woods has potential as well as the other rookies. I'm just saying they weren't stopping the run near the LOS. Ottawa was not successful passing the ball which was great but I was disappointed on how long they had to throw and how well they ran.

You can't give a good QB that much time. Crum is not that guy so the game plan worked.

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Pete

The good
Streveler and Olivera's heart and determination spread out to the whole team. Willies effort was the best all year
 How can you not go all out when you see your teammates fight even when hurt
Dline provided more pressure thanks to Willie
Oline played hard nosed ,taking advantage of ottawa lbs who aren't the biggest
Castillo
Olivera
Strevler
Special teams esp ayer ( hope he sees more regular action)
Once again secondary were great, i think they are underrated, even Alexander was more involved
The bad
Wilson isn't a threat, Same with Johnson Clerius was more effective, Hope we get Lucky soon ( pun intended)
Every game it getting more obvious Bighill has lost more than a step. On the Crum td run 2 yrs ago Crums toast.( Pun unintended)
The ugly
The officiating
Holms penalty
Strevlers getting speared had to be called by command center
Blatant holding calls on Willie and Hubert missed. Willie, at one point, was wrestled to the ground like a steer at Stampede
The non offsetting roughing calls could have played a big role.Keep the flags in the pocket, Numerous times that after whistle stuff gets ignored,Why this one was called and what were the calls is mystifying

dd

Quote from: ichabod_crane on July 06, 2024, 06:15:24 AMI would have to agree. His longer throwing accuracy is still all over the place and he can be impatient at times. Short to mid range he is OK, but he boffed a short one to Olivera one time I recall in this last game. With Streves it seems if nothing is quickly available to throw to he will just barrel ahead head first for whatever he can get. Now maybe the team says to him to do that as less chance of picks, but that is not true long term starting material in my estimation.

With the amount of practice he has had the past 5 years you would think he would get accuracy figured out by now, but maybe it's just his natural throwing stance or something else similar to that. NOT like he has some speed merchants to throw long to though anyway right now! 😮 Maybe Lucky can be that guy? Just toss it long and hope he can run under it! :) Streves improvisational skills while on the run to complete a pass are nowhere near Zach even with his slow start to the season.
You're right, strev is not the prototypical passer by any means, never has been never will be. His accuracy is brutal. But he does bring an energy and determination to the ball park like no other. The man is simply inspiring to watch play, one of the last few who gives everything on every play to make a play.

One stat I d like to see is how many blocks did strev throw last night?? While I m not big on our Qb s throwing blocks and potentially being injured, strevy is in there against the big D linemen knocking heads to try and advance the ball. You could see on every play last night that you'd have to kill this guy to stop him. He played like a man possessed ladt night!!

theaardvark

Quote from: ichabod_crane on July 06, 2024, 05:15:13 AMI noticed Streveler was still fighting for yards near the goal line near the end of the game when he had the first down already. In those situations he should just go down and not take the chance of pulling a groin or muscle. He's our main bread and butter until Zach is back fully healthy. I know he has that fire, but need to use then noggin' at times as well.

You NEVER reign back a racehorse.  That's when they get injured.  You let the fly at full gallop.

Streveler will never take the safe route.  And we do not want him too.
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theaardvark

With the number of rookies and the number of next man up rookies on top of that due to injuries, starting 10 NATS, I am not surprised that it has taken 4 games to start getting into sync.

We are getting $SMS relief on Schoen and Lawler, but none on Zach.  Not sure what they are, but I have to think Streveler is getting some bonus for starts.  Was there a reason not to put Zach on the 6 game immediately?
Unabashed positron.  Blue koolaid in my fridge.  I wear my blue sunglasses at night.  Homer, d'oh.

peg_city

Kind of feel like our o-line & Buck's play calling won us the game.

As well as our defense.

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Cool Spot

Quote from: ichabod_crane on July 06, 2024, 05:13:25 AMCan't say I'm a fan of IPA's. I like more red & brown ales or lagers. Pilsner is garbage! :D
Agree on reds and browns, and also not a fan of IPAs unless it's a hazy IPA.

However, pilsners are pretty good if they come from the Czech Republic, or sometimes Germany. From elsewhere, they aren't great.

markf

Shout out Jake Thomas, iron man.

The guy does not miss games.

Unspectacular, but Always seems to make a play... tipped pass last night.

And Willie does not miss games either.

Made more impressive by the number of our D linemen  that played one or two games then got injured this season.

LXTSN

THE GOOD
Buck Pierce. What a show he put on! Everything he wasn't doing in the first 4 games he MASTERED in game 5! Awesome job from Buck!

The bad/ugly
Penalties...
I think I need some clarification on the illegal forward pass rule. I know in the NFL you just need one leg behind or at the line of scrimmage when you release the ball. Is it the same for CFL?

dd

In the Canadian game, front foot/toe is over the line, it's an illegal forward pass. That's an exam question on your level 1 officiating test with a diagram illustrating the front toe portion of the Qb being over the line and it's illegal.

Pete

Quote from: dd on July 06, 2024, 04:56:12 PMIn the Canadian game, front foot/toe is over the line, it's an illegal forward pass. That's an exam question on your level 1 officiating test with a diagram illustrating the front toe portion of the Qb being over the line and it's illegal.
actually its deemed legal if the passer has even one foot behind or on the line of scrimmage In both of Strevelers passes they were legal. OShea should have challenged the second one that was in question as it was even more obvioussly legal than the first which they allowed

Article 3 — Eligibility Of Passer
A pass may be thrown by any Team A player who was behind the scrimmage line when passing the ball. The passer needs at least one foot on or behind the line of scrimmage when the ball is released to be considered behind the line of scrimmage. The passer need not be the first player to receive the ball from the centre.

bwiser

good-the secondary was excellent
    -O line was much better after a few shaky performances
    -special teams Castilio perfect and two kicks over 50 yards
    -good kick coverage against one of the most dangerous returners in the CFL
    -Jefferson had his best game this season
bad-very little passing game,longest pass attempt of the day was under 20 yards
   -penalties
ugly-cheap shots by both teams

J5V

The Good
- We won!
- Intense smashmouth Bomber Bullyball
- Strevs toughness and leadership. Guy is a stud.
- Castillo
- The two-headed monster that was Strevie and Bo
- The OL
- The D! They were applying pressure and if they keep improving we may have a championship calibre D over there! Even got a pick! WOOT!
- Willie J!
- No drops by the receivers

The Bad
- Strevs limited playbook
- Penalties
- Overall officiating and what I perceive as a bias against our club

The Ugly
- DO NOT HIT A SLIDING QB
- DO NOT PUSH A PLAYER WHEN HE'S OUT OF BOUNDS
Go Bombers!

dd

Thanks Pete, I stand corrected. I was going by article 4 in amateur rule book, obviously different for the pros. Thanks for pointing that out

Pete


theaardvark

Quote from: LXTSN on July 06, 2024, 04:50:52 PMTHE GOOD
Buck Pierce. What a show he put on! Everything he wasn't doing in the first 4 games he MASTERED in game 5! Awesome job from Buck!

Was it play calling or execution?  Buck had a much smaller playbook with Streveler, and the team was much more focused on executing that gameplan.

Not saying Buck didn't call a great game, just saying it might have been a consequence of starting a different guy than the full playbook was developed for, and on one week's practice.

Unabashed positron.  Blue koolaid in my fridge.  I wear my blue sunglasses at night.  Homer, d'oh.

J5V

Quote from: theaardvark on July 06, 2024, 06:27:30 PMWas it play calling or execution?  Buck had a much smaller playbook with Streveler, and the team was much more focused on executing that gameplan.

Not saying Buck didn't call a great game, just saying it might have been a consequence of starting a different guy than the full playbook was developed for, and on one week's practice.


Yup! I loved the playbook, limited as it was, because it confused Ottawa because they didn't know where the ball was going. I'd keep that scheme and build on it. So much potential!
Go Bombers!

dd

Quote from: Pete on July 06, 2024, 06:12:48 PMdd keeps us from yelling at the tv! ;)
He does enough of that for everyone!!

gordo

Quote from: Cool Spot on July 06, 2024, 04:12:09 PMAgree on reds and browns, and also not a fan of IPAs unless it's a hazy IPA.

However, pilsners are pretty good if they come from the Czech Republic, or sometimes Germany. From elsewhere, they aren't great.
IPA's are kind of polar opposite to Coors that dominate the stadium.  But I must say the beer selection is pretty good just hard to see them from the counter and the folks working are very friendly but typically not beer savvy so asking for an IPA generally gets a blank stare.

Pilsner should be turned back at the MB/Sask border.

Next game I'll try to journey to the Rum Hut in my quest for an IPA.

Is there a list of the beers sold at the stadium? 

gordo

Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 06, 2024, 08:11:30 AMThat's because you're sitting on the bad side!!  E.S.S!  E.S.S!

(Kidding, I love all my sunny-side compatriots!  And E.S. fans generally are way higher energy, louder & and more fun.)
Ya we used to sit on the West Side.  I got tired of the crickets chirping and the crowd in our section looked like they'd be more comfortable at a Bingo game.   :D 
Our East side section is definitely more into the game but West side was fine too.

But there are usually a couple games a year like last night where we are roasted for a bit. Although it turned into a beautiful evening.

theaardvark

Quote from: gordo on July 06, 2024, 07:38:17 PMIPA's are kind of polar opposite to Coors that dominate the stadium.  But I must say the beer selection is pretty good just hard to see them from the counter and the folks working are very friendly but typically not beer savvy so asking for an IPA generally gets a blank stare.

Pilsner should be turned back at the MB/Sask border.

Next game I'll try to journey to the Rum Hut in my quest for an IPA.

Is there a list of the beers sold at the stadium? 


There is a concessions listing, and displays some of the menu's, but no specific beer one.  You should suggest they do that... 
Unabashed positron.  Blue koolaid in my fridge.  I wear my blue sunglasses at night.  Homer, d'oh.

theaardvark

Quote from: gordo on July 06, 2024, 07:43:43 PMYa we used to sit on the West Side.  I got tired of the crickets chirping and the crowd in our section looked like they'd be more comfortable at a Bingo game.   :D 
Our East side section is definitely more into the game but West side was fine too.

But there are usually a couple games a year like last night where we are roasted for a bit. Although it turned into a beautiful evening.

There were about 3 minutes where the sun peeks through onto our seats.  As a man that always wears black (its slimming), it got hot real quick, and then as the sun dipped, a breeze came up, and it was perfect.  No need for hot chocolate.
Unabashed positron.  Blue koolaid in my fridge.  I wear my blue sunglasses at night.  Homer, d'oh.

Stats Junkie

Quote from: theaardvark on July 06, 2024, 03:39:35 PMWe are getting $SMS relief on Schoen and Lawler, but none on Zach.  Not sure what they are, but I have to think Streveler is getting some bonus for starts.  Was there a reason not to put Zach on the 6 game immediately?
Teams are required to have 3 QBs on the active roster for each game & at least 2 must be in uniform.

To put Zach on the 6-game IR would require the Blue Bombers to sign another QB. If Zach only spends a game or two on the 6-game then there is no SMS relief. It would actually result in a bigger cap hit because the new QB would be added to the bottom line.
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LXTSN

Quote from: theaardvark on July 06, 2024, 06:27:30 PMWas it play calling or execution?  Buck had a much smaller playbook with Streveler, and the team was much more focused on executing that gameplan.

Not saying Buck didn't call a great game, just saying it might have been a consequence of starting a different guy than the full playbook was developed for, and on one week's practice.


We will disagree on this one, and that's fine!
I was asking to see more play action, sweeps and misdirection. In the first 4 games we saw a ton of "drop back to pass" and "run up the middle". In reality they ran a lot of different plays, but they all seem to start out the same and basically rely on our stars to make a play. In this game, Buck took it into his own hands and was very aggressive in his calls. Streveler did a fantastic job of following the gameplan and making the reads when it called for it!

We will both agree for sure that it was the best offensive game of the season thus far!

Stats Junkie

Other observations

On the Kyrie Wilson UR penalty, Mike Miller looked like he was going to hold Crum up then shoved him to the ground. A heads up Sergio Castillo had to dive out of the way. Mike O'Shea didn't look pleased with his ST coordinator.

Myron Mitchell didn't collect any stats but I did notice him providing the lead block on a couple of Oliveira runs.

Midway through Q1, Baltimore received a 15 yard misconduct penalty but only 10 yards was marched off.

The Harris spearing penalty was a Grade 2 Spearing infraction. It would normally be a 25 yard penalty but because it was assessed as half the distance to the goal line it only measured 7 yards.
** Two grade 2 penalties results in a disqualification.
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dd

Quote from: Stats Junkie on July 06, 2024, 09:59:41 PMOther observations

On the Kyrie Wilson UR penalty, Mike Miller looked like he was going to hold Crum up then shoved him to the ground. A heads up Sergio Castillo had to dive out of the way. Mike O'Shea didn't look pleased with his ST coordinator.

Myron Mitchell didn't collect any stats but I did notice him providing the lead block on a couple of Oliveira runs.

Midway through Q1, Baltimore received a 15 yard misconduct penalty but only 10 yards was marched off.

The Harris spearing penalty was a Grade 2 Spearing infraction. It would normally be a 25 yard penalty but because it was assessed as half the distance to the goal line it only measured 7 yards.
** Two grade 2 penalties results in a disqualification.

What's a grade 2 infraction??

And does anyone know why the misconduct penalty to us was 15 yds and to Ottawa 10 yds when they occurred at the same time.? Does the first one get the extra yardage and the retaliatory one the lesser yardage?? Seems odd

J5V

Quote from: dd on July 06, 2024, 10:50:32 PMWhat's a grade 2 infraction??

And does anyone know why the misconduct penalty to us was 15 yds and to Ottawa 10 yds when they occurred at the same time.? Does the first one get the extra yardage and the retaliatory one the lesser yardage?? Seems odd
Article 3 — Grade 2 Unnecessary Roughness

Roughing the Passer

Delivering a direct blow to the passer's head or neck area with the helmet when the offender has a clear view to the passer and there are no mitigating circumstances.

Spearing
Delivering a spear to an opponent's head or neck area when the offender has a clear view to the opponent and there are no mitigating circumstances.

PENALTY: Team A – L25

Team B – L25 and AFD

Any player called for two Grade 2 Unnecessary Roughness fouls in the same game will be disqualified from that game.
Go Bombers!

Stats Junkie

Quote from: dd on July 06, 2024, 10:50:32 PMWhat's a grade 2 infraction??

And does anyone know why the misconduct penalty to us was 15 yds and to Ottawa 10 yds when they occurred at the same time.? Does the first one get the extra yardage and the retaliatory one the lesser yardage?? Seems odd
J5V already answered what a Grade 2 infraction is.

In his post game presser, Mike O'Shea expressed surprise that the Command Centre awarded the Grade 2 penalty on the play. He seemed to suggest that the intent of the rule was for the Command Centre to upgrade a penalty that was 'called' on field.


Re: Misconduct penalties
A misconduct penalty is the generic term applied to any post play foul. 10 yards is awarded for penalties that typically fall under objectionable conduct including taunting. 15 yards is awarded for penalties that typically fall under unnecessary roughness.

It would appear as though Ottawa was guilty of OC while Winnipeg retaliated with UR. That would net out as 5 yards against Winnipeg.
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dd

Quote from: J5V on July 06, 2024, 11:17:57 PMArticle 3 — Grade 2 Unnecessary Roughness

Roughing the Passer

Delivering a direct blow to the passer's head or neck area with the helmet when the offender has a clear view to the passer and there are no mitigating circumstances.

Spearing
Delivering a spear to an opponent's head or neck area when the offender has a clear view to the opponent and there are no mitigating circumstances.

PENALTY: Team A – L25

Team B – L25 and AFD

Any player called for two Grade 2 Unnecessary Roughness fouls in the same game will be disqualified from that game.
Thanks for the explanation, makes sense, 2 UR fouls involving head contact and you're done. Good rule

dd

Quote from: Stats Junkie on July 07, 2024, 12:30:55 AMJ5V already answered what a Grade 2 infraction is.

In his post game presser, Mike O'Shea expressed surprise that the Command Centre awarded the Grade 2 penalty on the play. He seemed to suggest that the intent of the rule was for the Command Centre to upgrade a penalty that was 'called' on field.


Re: Misconduct penalties
A misconduct penalty is the generic term applied to any post play foul. 10 yards is awarded for penalties that typically fall under objectionable conduct including taunting. 15 yards is awarded for penalties that typically fall under unnecessary roughness.

It would appear as though Ottawa was guilty of OC while Winnipeg retaliated with UR. That would net out as 5 yards against Winnipeg.
Confusing, not sure why they just didn't stick to the UR and OC foul classifications, having multiple yardages for the same foul 'misconduct' is weird.

TecnoGenius

Quote from: markf on July 06, 2024, 04:15:54 PMShout out Jake Thomas, iron man.

The guy does not miss games.

Unspectacular, but Always seems to make a play... tipped pass last night.

Fatboi got some major air for that tip.  I'm not actually sure how he did it!  Who knew his vertical was so good?  He was getting some good push, too.  Make Dru/Crum uncomfortable most of the night.  Much better DL play overall.

And funny that it took the word-scramble player so long on MATHOS... had me stumped for 6s too!  To me he's Fatboi, then Jake, but almost never THOMAS.
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Quote from: dd on July 07, 2024, 12:38:31 AMConfusing, not sure why they just didn't stick to the UR and OC foul classifications, having multiple yardages for the same foul 'misconduct' is weird.

Because one hurts your body, and the other hurts your feelings.  Kind of the same in Canadian criminal law.  And that's a good thing.  Sticks and stones and all that...
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Quote from: Stats Junkie on July 06, 2024, 09:59:41 PMOn the Kyrie Wilson UR penalty, Mike Miller looked like he was going to hold Crum up then shoved him to the ground. A heads up Sergio Castillo had to dive out of the way. Mike O'Shea didn't look pleased with his ST coordinator.

I'll have to look for that... sounds a bit funny, if a bit naughty, and could draw a penalty.

The coords do have to be held to a higher standard though, otherwise they devolve into Claybrooks LOL.  Maybe Miller is still too much in the player headspace... but hey, he's only a few weeks into his new gig.  He'll learn, esp with MOS as a mentor.

Quote from: Stats Junkie on July 06, 2024, 09:59:41 PMMyron Mitchell didn't collect any stats but I did notice him providing the lead block on a couple of Oliveira runs.

You sure it wasn't one of the 2 dressed FB's?  Why use a 3rd string WR for that duty?  Unless he is starts the pre-snap lined out slot/wide and waggles to the box?  If you have a specific play I can key on that would be great, otherwise I'll keep my eye out on rewatch.

Quote from: Stats Junkie on July 06, 2024, 09:59:41 PMMidway through Q1, Baltimore received a 15 yard misconduct penalty but only 10 yards was marched off.

Haha, you're right!  Are you 100% positive they didn't call it OC for 10?  Command may have been able to downgrade it: they did take forever on the call.  It was a punch to the face, but it was probably the weakest punch I've seen draw a UR.

Surely someone in WFC or command or on-field would have noticed the mistake?  If not, and it really was UR/15, why don't we task a water boy in the booth with the OC or DC with making sure spots/penalties are correct??

Quote from: Stats Junkie on July 06, 2024, 09:59:41 PMThe Harris spearing penalty was a Grade 2 Spearing infraction. It would normally be a 25 yard penalty but because it was assessed as half the distance to the goal line it only measured 7 yards.
** Two grade 2 penalties results in a disqualification.

Ya, that's been discussed before.  It irks a lot of people.  It's kind of a free pass to really misbehave.  If you do it at the 2 or 1YL it's even worse.

Maybe penalties that would get too close to the EZ should be assessed as such:
 5Y penalty = 1/3rd distance to goal
10Y penalty = 1/2
15Y penalty = 2/3
25Y penalty = 3/4

That way the "bad" penalties are less "free".

Maybe also a 15+ penalty from the 1 or 2YL should be the above plus yardage applied to the next KO, if there is one.
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TecnoGenius

Quote from: Stats Junkie on July 06, 2024, 08:21:47 PMTeams are required to have 3 QBs on the active roster for each game & at least 2 must be in uniform.

To put Zach on the 6-game IR would require the Blue Bombers to sign another QB. If Zach only spends a game or two on the 6-game then there is no SMS relief. It would actually result in a bigger cap hit because the new QB would be added to the bottom line.

Why not just put a PR guy on the AR is the "3rd QB"?  I don't think any law says a QB has to be a QB.  Boom, SMS and find-a-guy-quick problem solved.
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Quote from: dd on July 06, 2024, 05:59:14 PMThanks Pete, I stand corrected. I was going by article 4 in amateur rule book, obviously different for the pros. Thanks for pointing that out

You were right, dd, but they changed the rule maybe 5 seasons ago?  Before that it was just as you said.  I never did like this rule change... But I guess it was done to make officiating easier?  Didn't help this time (or the ref tried to rig the game)...

To see proof it was not an IFP, see my post in the other thread:
http://forums.bluebombers.com/index.php?topic=55793.msg1627119#msg1627119
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Quote from: theaardvark on July 06, 2024, 06:27:30 PMWas it play calling or execution?  Buck had a much smaller playbook with Streveler, and the team was much more focused on executing that gameplan.

Both, but there was some amazing game-scheming and play-calling going on.  Buck's best week of work this season.  Which is good, because they were looking like slackers deep under PAS so far this season.

Watch how Buck changed from Brady->gut Strev->edge split-the-D strategy all first half to Brady->gut Strev->gut-2-yards-behind in 2nd half.  OTT probably spent all HT adjusting to the 1st half scenario, all for nothing as we went to a really unique and creative head/tail gut-run strategy.

You can't appreciate it live time, so go back and watch those one-two punch runs again.  Try slow-mo.  No one has a clue whether Brady is the decoy or Strev is the decoy, and they often let ball-carrying Brady run right by them 1 foot away!  I got a bad case of the grins watching those a few times.

Buuuuuuuuuut... all those great ideas really only work with Strev as the QB.  We'll need to see Buck figuring out some new magic for Zach, too.  Or Buck can start doing what we all wanted/thought he would week 1: Make Strev part of every game plan for 25-50% of the snaps.  Then roll with whatever is working best against team B that week.
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blue_or_die

I have a few very important points to add to this thread:

- there are 2+ IPAs you can find at PAS: Arrow by TCB, found in the "Locally Grown" concessions (there are at least two in the lower bowl; one on the east side and one on the south end zone, as well as one on the upper decks (at least on the west side as that's where my seats are). The other would be one from the macro kiosks that sell non-Coors beer, usually from BC or AB. These are expensive and not very good IMO. I recommend having the local stuff

- "Pilsner" is NOT the same as "pilsner". The capitalized version is the brand name of the crap that comes from Suckscrapchewan and it would fail on the profile of what an actual (lower case p) pils is defined as. A lower case pilsner is a style, not a brand, and when done right, is fresh, crisp and refreshing on a hot summer day. TCB makes a Bomber themed pils which they also sell at the Locally Grown concessions. Buy that and support local.

- if you find yourself craving a Saskie Pilsner but are short on cash, they let you take an empty cup into the stadium. Simply take your cup and scoop up the liquid content in one of the men's urinal. Cheaper, closer to a true Pilsner, and I imagine tastier (you tell me). Also, possibly higher ABV. Support local.

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Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 07, 2024, 06:08:08 AMWhy not just put a PR guy on the AR is the "3rd QB"?  I don't think any law says a QB has to be a QB.  Boom, SMS and find-a-guy-quick problem solved.


It adds the cost of a game check over a PR check to the SMS. OTOH, the rules now allow 2 QB's on the field at the same time. So in theory a team could add another player on offence as a QB that was a receiver or RB.
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J5V

Quote from: Blue In BC on July 08, 2024, 03:37:54 PMIt adds the cost of a game check over a PR check to the SMS. OTOH, the rules now allow 2 QB's on the field at the same time. So in theory a team could add another player on offence as a QB that was a receiver or RB.
Maybe someone can tell me if my thought is a bad one of having Strev and Zach on with BO in an effort to confuse the opposing D. Use Strev as an another RB that could potentially pull up and throw if he sees something. Use Zach as a pure passer. Mix in some flea-flickers and you could have a very creative, fun offense. No?
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Quote from: J5V on July 08, 2024, 10:27:58 PMMaybe someone can tell me if my thought is a bad one of having Strev and Zach on with BO in an effort to confuse the opposing D. Use Strev as an another RB that could potentially pull up and throw if he sees something. Use Zach as a pure passer. Mix in some flea-flickers and you could have a very creative, fun offense. No?

It's not the worst idea and we're likely to see it at some point. Streveler could line up in the backfield and take a pitch out or at least give the illusion that might happen. He could slide out to take a pass as an outlet.

Streveler with the ball in open space can't be disregarded by defences. He'll truck over most DB's.

In effect it potentially takes a LB out of the box which improves the ability to run.
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Quote from: blue_or_die on July 08, 2024, 03:28:34 PMif you find yourself craving a Saskie Pilsner

Under no circumstances would I ever crave a Saskie Pilsner. I have a ton of clients in Saskatchewan and while my trips are always great trips they all insist that we have a cold beverage from time to time and the Pilsner breaks out.

Now I am use to pretty bad beer (not sure anyone remembers black label and not sure it is still around) but I rank Pilsner up there with Black Label.

J5V

Quote from: BBRT on July 08, 2024, 11:34:16 PMUnder no circumstances would I ever crave a Saskie Pilsner. I have a ton of clients in Saskatchewan and while my trips are always great trips they all insist that we have a cold beverage from time to time and the Pilsner breaks out.

Now I am use to pretty bad beer (not sure anyone remembers black label and not sure it is still around) but I rank Pilsner up there with Black Label.
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gordo

Quote from: blue_or_die on July 08, 2024, 03:28:34 PMI have a few very important points to add to this thread:

- there are 2+ IPAs you can find at PAS: Arrow by TCB, found in the "Locally Grown" concessions (there are at least two in the lower bowl; one on the east side and one on the south end zone, as well as one on the upper decks (at least on the west side as that's where my seats are). The other would be one from the macro kiosks that sell non-Coors beer, usually from BC or AB. These are expensive and not very good IMO. I recommend having the local stuff

- "Pilsner" is NOT the same as "pilsner". The capitalized version is the brand name of the crap that comes from Suckscrapchewan and it would fail on the profile of what an actual (lower case p) pils is defined as. A lower case pilsner is a style, not a brand, and when done right, is fresh, crisp and refreshing on a hot summer day. TCB makes a Bomber themed pils which they also sell at the Locally Grown concessions. Buy that and support local.

- if you find yourself craving a Saskie Pilsner but are short on cash, they let you take an empty cup into the stadium. Simply take your cup and scoop up the liquid content in one of the men's urinal. Cheaper, closer to a true Pilsner, and I imagine tastier (you tell me). Also, possibly higher ABV. Support local.

Go Bombers!
HaHa Great post! 

And thanks for assisting me in my quest for an IPA.  Next game I will search out the "Locally Grown" concessions to get Arrow by TCB.  Weird but I don't recall seeing one of those in my many jaunts around PAS. We are in the East Side Upper Deck but I do get down to the lower bowl.

Totally agree on your view of Pilsner.  One suggestion though.  Rather than bringing a cup, a straw would suffice.


TecnoGenius

Quote from: blue_or_die on July 08, 2024, 03:28:34 PM- if you find yourself craving a Saskie Pilsner but are short on cash, they let you take an empty cup into the stadium. Simply take your cup and scoop up the liquid content in one of the men's urinal. Cheaper, closer to a true Pilsner, and I imagine tastier (you tell me). Also, possibly higher ABV. Support local.

Don't forget to spit out the puck!
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theaardvark

So, the old "wishbone" alignment.

Maybe even throw in a direct snap to Strevie or BO

Early in the game, you should be able to spot who they are keying on.  That's what "adjustments" are for.  If they key on one, start confusing them with other options.

I still love the 2nd and shot Streveler one step to the line, then fade back and toss...  mix that in with the one step into the line, fade back a step, and then take off up the middle.. I think CS17 brings a lot to the O when used properly, on SY and in 2 QB sets.

But none of these ones like Hamilton ran with Mitchell out in the flat.  That's dumb.
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Can't believe nobody mentioned...

GOOD: Relaxed security!

The Zipp

Quote from: squonk on July 09, 2024, 05:10:24 PMCan't believe nobody mentioned...

GOOD: Relaxed security!

the walk through detectors were nice...

Throw Long Bannatyne

Quote from: The Zipp on July 09, 2024, 05:30:58 PMthe walk through detectors were nice...

I was wondering what happened to PJ, he probably set the detectors off one too many times and they banned him from the stadium.

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Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 09, 2024, 08:57:10 PMI was wondering what happened to PJ, he probably set the detectors off one too many times and they banned him from the stadium.

Got banned and changed his name to blueforlife, lol.
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Quote from: Jesse on July 09, 2024, 09:31:05 PMGot banned and changed his name to blueforlife, lol.
LMAO I was thinking the same thing. Just more well behaved this time? :D
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Quote from: The Zipp on July 09, 2024, 05:30:58 PMthe walk through detectors were nice...

There's walk-thru detectors??  I only ever go in the tailgate entrances... so I have no clue what goes on at the "real" gates.  The staff at one gate know me & the kid by now and never give us any grief.
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4Q13:59 Black announces that Lu says that Brady might not return to the game.  That's exactly what I was asking for a week or 2 back.  So rarely do the TSN sideline people do anything useful regarding in-game injuries.  Maybe Lu heard our complaints?

Of course, it turned out wrong (-ish... he did say "not likely"), as Brady came back a few mins later, but at least Lu was doing his job and trying!

UGLY

4Q5:38 Right after the Clercius fight, Dobson lifts his foot up and shows the sidline how his cleat completely disintegrated and his sock is hanging out!  The he hobbles off.  Never seen that before!  Hilarious!
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