Guardian cap

Waffler · July 05, 2024, 02:29:40 PM

It's been allowed to wear all year but I haven't seen one yet. But I see a lot of players wearing the Q-collar which is supposed to keep slightly more blood in your head as cushion. Either one may offer slight or no protection from concussion depending on who you believe.

Since the Q-collar is widespread, just wondering why no one is wearing the guardian?

BomberFan73 · July 05, 2024, 02:37:10 PM

Quote from: Waffler on July 05, 2024, 02:29:40 PMIt's been allowed to wear all year but I haven't seen one yet. But I see a lot of players wearing the Q-collar which is supposed to keep slightly more brain in your head. Either one may offer slight or no protection from concussion depending on who you believe.

Since the Q-collar is widespread, just wondering why no one is wearing the guardian?

Because the Q collar looks kinda cool, but the guardian cap is the opposite of that.

Jesse · July 05, 2024, 02:53:02 PM

The guardian cap may reduce impact on a crash test dummy in a lab setting, but can you imagine trying to run and cut and break through a gap in the OL with a big pillow on your head?

blue_gold_84 · July 05, 2024, 03:46:08 PM

The data on the Guardian Cap as it relates to concussion prevention appears to be inconclusive thus far: https://www.cbc.ca/sports/football/concussion-experts-encourage-guardian-caps-1.7233481

I don't think we'll see players wear those in actual games any time soon. The Q-Collar seems better suited, IMO.

theaardvark · July 05, 2024, 04:35:34 PM

Quote from: Jesse on July 05, 2024, 02:53:02 PMThe guardian cap may reduce impact on a crash test dummy in a lab setting, but can you imagine trying to run and cut and break through a gap in the OL with a big pillow on your head?

Pretty sure it isn't like running with a big pillow on your head.

GC's are not manly. We've heard a number of players say that they play like men and that makes them look like a wus.

Now, guys that have a history of concussion should wear them, and it should be mandated in future contracts as such.

Jesse · July 05, 2024, 09:03:14 PM

Quote from: theaardvark on July 05, 2024, 04:35:34 PMPretty sure it isn't like running with a big pillow on your head.

What makes you sure of this?

Pigskin · July 05, 2024, 09:50:39 PM

Quote from: Jesse on July 05, 2024, 09:03:14 PMWhat makes you sure of this?

They only weigh 7 ounces. So, it can't be a weight issue.

The Zipp · July 05, 2024, 09:59:17 PM

Quote from: BomberFan73 on July 05, 2024, 02:37:10 PMBecause the Q collar looks kinda cool, but the guardian cap is the opposite of that.

Pretty much the answer. Looking like the great gazoo out there.

TecnoGenius · July 06, 2024, 07:38:22 AM

Quote from: The Zipp on July 05, 2024, 09:59:17 PMPretty much the answer. Looking like the great gazoo out there.

Awesome. That's exactly it.

Are teams running in-between helmets for this year? Many players seem to have ones that look a bit bigger from 2023... or is it just me? And not every player, just certain players. Do they get a choice? Is there some new bigger-but-not-ridiculous helmet this year? (Not sure if I've noticed it on our team, but definitely other teams.)

Edit: found one! Just look at Dru Brown's helmet in tonight's game! Holy smokes, it's huge! So much taller than his head. So what do you call that helmet? That didn't exist in the CFL in 2023 AFAIK.

P.S. Lot of good it did Dru...

Waffler · July 06, 2024, 01:31:29 PM

I think Brown wears the Schutt F7. By a wide margin most players wear Riddell, as Dru Brown did last year. Maybe he should switch back, it's an excellent question. I attach pic of both helmets.

All helmets are updated regularly, I know the NFL tests them and has a list of allowable models.

theaardvark · July 06, 2024, 03:43:37 PM

Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 06, 2024, 07:38:22 AMAwesome. That's exactly it.

Are teams running in-between helmets for this year? Many players seem to have ones that look a bit bigger from 2023... or is it just me? And not every player, just certain players. Do they get a choice? Is there some new bigger-but-not-ridiculous helmet this year? (Not sure if I've noticed it on our team, but definitely other teams.)

Edit: found one! Just look at Dru Brown's helmet in tonight's game! Holy smokes, it's huge! So much taller than his head. So what do you call that helmet? That didn't exist in the CFL in 2023 AFAIK.

P.S. Lot of good it did Dru...

Pretty sure, as long as it meets certain safety testing standards, CFL players can wear any brand/model. Its not like the Gretzky Jofa helmet, they still have to pass testing. Same with faceguards.

I think the NFL has much more limited standards for which brand/style of helmet you can choose from and a very limited number of faceguard choices. When the Darth Vader ones came out, they made some changes then, but the CFL seems to allow a wider range of faceguards.

The NFL want to look like a professional, uniform, league. Here we are a little more cowboy.

dd · July 06, 2024, 05:03:46 PM

Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 06, 2024, 07:38:22 AMAwesome. That's exactly it.

Are teams running in-between helmets for this year? Many players seem to have ones that look a bit bigger from 2023... or is it just me? And not every player, just certain players. Do they get a choice? Is there some new bigger-but-not-ridiculous helmet this year? (Not sure if I've noticed it on our team, but definitely other teams.)

Edit: found one! Just look at Dru Brown's helmet in tonight's game! Holy smokes, it's huge! So much taller than his head. So what do you call that helmet? That didn't exist in the CFL in 2023 AFAIK.

P.S. Lot of good it did Dru...

Just goes to show you that regardless of how big the helmet is, players still get hurt. You can't fault brown on this, he did everything he could by wearing the helmet that offered the most protection to his head, and still got hurt by a cheap shot

Throw Long Bannatyne · July 06, 2024, 05:03:46 PM

Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 06, 2024, 07:38:22 AMAwesome. That's exactly it.

Are teams running in-between helmets for this year? Many players seem to have ones that look a bit bigger from 2023... or is it just me? And not every player, just certain players. Do they get a choice? Is there some new bigger-but-not-ridiculous helmet this year? (Not sure if I've noticed it on our team, but definitely other teams.)

Edit: found one! Just look at Dru Brown's helmet in tonight's game! Holy smokes, it's huge! So much taller than his head. So what do you call that helmet? That didn't exist in the CFL in 2023 AFAIK.

P.S. Lot of good it did Dru...

Always thought Collaros wore a huge helmet, already reminded me of the Great Gazoo!

theaardvark · July 06, 2024, 06:33:26 PM

1: Had Brown been wearing a GC, would he have been injured?

2: Had Brown had his helmet properly secured so it could protect him, would he have been injured?

Answer to one is probably, the answer to 2 is maybe not.

Helmets, like seatbelts, can only protect you if used properly. Brown's helmet coming off the way it did screams that it wasn't being used properly.

DM83 · July 06, 2024, 06:41:04 PM

Get rid of those stupid things. Players have some responsibility to putting themselves in a prone or unprotected position. If you make your head available to get slammed into, then try a different strategy.

The rule should be amended to emphasize the vulnerable QB. They should not be collisioned, they should be "@
Wrapped up and laid sown
When a QB leaves the pocket, he then becomes a runner and subject to all types of tackles.