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markf

Quote from: theaardvark on July 03, 2024, 03:14:27 PMSo, Streveler threw a TD pass (Collaros hasn't all year), scored 10 points in a quarter to take it to OT, and made a bad pass to get picked off.

Not an ideal showing for a starting QB, but for a backup coming off the bench, pretty darned good.

Will that change when he's had a full week with the #1's?  With Buck setting a gameplan solely for him?  I would hope so.

Also backups to backups, needing more help than they can offer, and,  Demski slipped on the int.

Who knows, if Demski had not slipped what would have happened. At least knock it down.

Also, they blitzed about nine guys, maybe coach should have called a time out.

He did well under the circumstances.

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0-5 would be a deep hole, and dropping to that at home would be a disaster, both in the standings and at the box office.

Forget walk up crowds to see an 0-5 team.  Even signing Lucky wouldn't fix that.

Ask me how to fix it?  I'm not paid that kind of money... but there are guys that are being paid to do it, both on the field and sidelines.

We've seen OTT once already, we've seen Dru for 3 years, we should be able to beat them at home.
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Quote from: markf on July 03, 2024, 07:27:14 PMAlso backups to backups, needing more help than they can offer, and,  Demski slipped on the int.

Who knows, if Demski had not slipped what would have happened. At least knock it down.

Also, they blitzed about nine guys, maybe coach should have called a time out.

He did well under the circumstances.

Strev said his arm was contacted making that pass and it didn't go where he intended it to.  Stamps brought the house on that play, Buck needed to anticipate the blitz and have a safety valve in place.

dd

When you know they're going to bring the house,how about change the snap count to draw them offside or a simple drop back screen pass that kills all blitz's?? To think Steve is going to beat the blitz is nuts

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Quote from: theaardvark on July 03, 2024, 03:14:27 PMSo, Streveler threw a TD pass (Collaros hasn't all year), scored 10 points in a quarter to take it to OT, and made a bad pass to get picked off.

Not an ideal showing for a starting QB, but for a backup coming off the bench, pretty darned good.

Will that change when he's had a full week with the #1's?  With Buck setting a gameplan solely for him?  I would hope so.

At this point and for this game, I think Strev gives us the best chance to win.  IMHO something has been off with Zach since late last year including the West Final and Grey Cup.  He seems very indecisive (holding onto the ball too long) afraid to stand, deliver and take a hit, and afraid to scramble ahead for positive yards. 

He reminds me of Bo Levi when he started his decline and seems headed to Drew Willy territory.  Not sure what's going on...but he's no where near his prior level of play as a Bomber.  It is reminiscent of his play as a Roughrider...very concerning... and maybe he gets himself out of it...but I think sitting him if he's healthy enough to be the back up might be good in the long term for his health and his psyche.
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Quote from: theaardvark on July 03, 2024, 03:14:27 PMWill that change when he's had a full week with the #1's?  With Buck setting a gameplan solely for him?  I would hope so.

Buck's scheme changed 100% when Strev came in vs CGY.  Zach was getting jumbo or super jumbo most of the time.  Strev was more the normal 5 R out.

Buck will 100% change the O to match Strev, just like he was 100% changing it to match the new crap-OL + can't-escape-Zach situation.

The best of both worlds would be to "pull a MOS" and lie and say Zach is the #1 healthy guy all week (and fake it in open practice) when in reality it's all Strev this week.  Heck, assuming Zach isn't too banged up, I'd chart him as starting (or at least dressing) too, then just start Strev.

Make OTT gameplan entirely around Zach, then throw Strev at them.
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TecnoGenius

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 03, 2024, 07:54:25 PMStrev said his arm was contacted making that pass and it didn't go where he intended it to.  Stamps brought the house on that play, Buck needed to anticipate the blitz and have a safety valve in place.

I think he said he was hit when throwing, which he was.  The arm contact part was earlier on another pass which was errant, and he got the ol' arm-on-arm whack right in the middle of the throwing motion -- which can't be good for your throwing muscles.  Always looks like a looney tunes cartoon when that happens and the QB arm bounces back like "booooooooooiiiiiiiiing".
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TecnoGenius

Quote from: dd on July 03, 2024, 08:29:48 PMWhen you know they're going to bring the house,how about change the snap count to draw them offside or a simple drop back screen pass that kills all blitz's?? To think Steve is going to beat the blitz is nuts

Ya except we were already getting 2-3 IPs just from the fact Strev was in there instead of Zach.  We start doing hard counts and they likely double that.  Besides, CGY fans were actually being loud & effective at that stage.  Any cadence would likely have been drowned out.
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Our daily IR report lists everyone as questionable. That includes a couple of players still on 6 game IR. They are not going to be taken off IR early so they are out period. Is that so hard to state?

Now the others, I guess we'll find out on Friday when they issue the depth chart.
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Quote from: theaardvark on July 03, 2024, 03:14:27 PMSo, Streveler threw a TD pass (Collaros hasn't all year), scored 10 points in a quarter to take it to OT, and made a bad pass to get picked off.
I just don't buy that Zach is finished. That guy throws dimes to either corner of the end zone. He throws equally well rolling left, or right, and if given time has shown himself to be an elite QB in this league. I agree with Techno that what Zach is suffering has everything to do with the OL. If we can somehow come up with a way to solve that problem I have no doubt we'll see MVP Zach again. The guy is a surgeon and can carve up a secondary like few others.

That said, I'm a big fan of Streveler. The guy is a natural leader and he brings just the right mix of passion and ability to give opposing D's nightmares. The guy is a stud and it would be a mistake to doubt his ability to beat you with his legs or his arm! When he is in there everyone on the offense believes he can get it done and follows his lead. He is pure Bomber and we are very lucky to have him wearing blue and gold.
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dd

I love Strev s bravado, he's a bruising runner but he can't pass to save his soul. I like think it's just a matter of getting him reps but we've seen this before when he was here. I am hoping Zach can play out of his funk and strev s sticks to short yardage plays

TecnoGenius

Quote from: dd on July 04, 2024, 02:05:53 AMI love Strev s bravado, he's a bruising runner but he can't pass to save his soul.

Most of his series in relief of Zach vs CGY was passing.  Except for his first 3 or so big duds, he was pretty spot on by the 4th.  We didn't run much on that TD drive.

I think the duds were mostly causing by either pressure hitting him or him trying to chuck on the move.  He seems to have no arm strength if he doesn't plant a foot.  So plant the foot!

I'm starting to get pretty confident his passing is improved from 2019!  The only question is how much improved.  But it's not like he never passed and didn't win us games in 2018-2019 (as starter)!!  He just wasn't great at it then.  But be honest, you detractors: he was never Brohm or LeFevour level bad.  He's always been a mid-level passer.  Our hope now is he's an upper-mid-level passer.  That can win you games!
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