Ottawa @ Winnipeg.

Started by Pigskin, July 01, 2024, 04:47:08 PM

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Pigskin

No practice today. Big question is, will ZC8 be ready for Friday nights game.



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Blue In BC

I think he'll be ready to play. I don't know if the " rope " is getting shorter. IMO it shouldn't be but there is some panic among several posters. What the coaches think we'll see on Friday.

Just a guess but Alston probably gets activated in place of Johnson. Oliveria gets his 1st 100 yard rushing game this week.

Bombers win or lose based on our run game.
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Pigskin

Quote from: Blue In BC on July 01, 2024, 05:14:40 PMI think he'll be ready to play. I don't know if the " rope " is getting shorter. IMO it shouldn't be but there is some panic among several posters. What the coaches think we'll see on Friday.

Just a guess but Alston probably gets activated in place of Johnson. Oliveria gets his 1st 100 yard rushing game this week.

Bombers win or lose based on our run game.

With the Bombers signing Lucky and placing Kody Case back on the PR, there might be a couple of receivers packing there bags.
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Blueforlife

Quote from: Blue In BC on July 01, 2024, 05:14:40 PMI think he'll be ready to play. I don't know if the " rope " is getting shorter. IMO it shouldn't be but there is some panic among several posters. What the coaches think we'll see on Friday.

Just a guess but Alston probably gets activated in place of Johnson. Oliveria gets his 1st 100 yard rushing game this week.

Bombers win or lose based on our run game.
Agree ready to go.
Agree no rope
Agree on panic
Agree on Alston
Sure hope you are right on Brady, Agree if he is healthy
I see a pick 6 coming, maybe for Ford?

Blue In BC

Quote from: Pigskin on July 01, 2024, 05:44:55 PMWith the Bombers signing Lucky and placing Kody Case back on the PR, there might be a couple of receivers packing there bags.

If we did sign Whitehead then we've added 2 players to the roster. Wheatfall was moved to 6 game IR last week.  The math says something has to give. It isn't a good business decision to " hide " a rookie on the 1 game IR for an extended time. I'm not aware of any new injuries.

That suggests we need to shuffle the PR around. Thinking in terms of FIFO, that suggests Johnson and Mitchell as the most likely candidates to be released. The  other feeling is that Alston and Case were the depth behind Lawler.

Mitchell seemed to only be a returner candidate due to Smith injury earlier.

That said, O. Wilson hasn't exactly lit it up so I wouldn't say he's safe either.

LOL. I'm hedging my bets.
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DM83

Either way you cut it
Winnipeg has the poorest rated QB.zac is headed for the retirement list.
We were all surprised by the receivers once we had a Quarterback with an arm, actually were able and open  and could Catch.

Lt guard should be improved.
How does Kramdi remain a starter.
How long does____________ remain a starter on defence.

ModAdmin

Quote from: DM83 on July 01, 2024, 08:12:24 PMEither way you cut it
Winnipeg has the poorest rated QB.zac is headed for the retirement list.
We were all surprised by the receivers once we had a Quarterback with an arm, actually were able and open  and could Catch.

Lt guard should be improved.
How does Kramdi remain a starter.
How long does____________ remain a starter on defence.

Simplistic statements that mean absolutely nothing.  For example, expecting Zach to perform as he did last year with the player turnover and injuries on offence in particular is  unreasonable.  And who is ___________?
"You can't let praise or criticism get to you. It's a weakness to get caught up in either one." - John Wooden

Blue In BC

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Quote from: DM83 on July 01, 2024, 08:12:24 PMEither way you cut it
Winnipeg has the poorest rated QB.zac is headed for the retirement list.
We were all surprised by the receivers once we had a Quarterback with an arm, actually were able and open  and could Catch.

Lt guard should be improved.
How does Kramdi remain a starter.
How long does____________ remain a starter on defence.

In case you didn't notice:

1. Lawler wasn't able to complete his 1st game of the season.
2. Whitefall wasn't able to complete his 2nd game of the season.
3. Johnson played his 1st game on the weekend.
4. Schoen wasn't able to complete his 3rd game of the season.
5. Clercius is a rookie
6. Oliveria missed the 1st game. He was limited in his 2nd game. In his 3rd game he was getting back to healthy.
7. Two changes on our OL since 2023.

Now if you want to blame all of that on Collaros, that's your opinion. I don't think you'll get a majority agreeing with you. Try posting something positive about some part of the team.

You might want to re-watch the game and look at all the grounders that Streveler tossed up. He also tossed up the game losing int in OT.

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Pigskin

Quote from: Blue In BC on July 01, 2024, 09:08:42 PMIn case you didn't notice:

1. Lawler wasn't able to complete his 1st game of the season.
2. Whitefall wasn't able to complete his 2nd game of the season.
3. Johnson played his 1st game on the weekend.
4. Schoen wasn't able to complete his 3rd game of the season.
5. Clercius is a rookie
6. Oliveria missed the 1st game. He was limited in his 2nd game. In his 3rd game he was getting back to healthy.
7. Two changes on our OL since 2023.

Now if you want to blame all of that on Collaros, that's your opinion. I don't think you'll get a majority agreeing with you. Try posting something positive about some part of the team.

You might want to re-watch the game and look at all the grounders that Streveler tossed up. He also tossed up the game losing int in OT.



No, BO20 was limited in the 1st. game and missed the second one.
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Blue In BC

Quote from: Pigskin on July 01, 2024, 09:15:46 PMNo, BO20 was limited in the 1st. game and missed the second one.

Fair enough but still makes the point that he missed most of TC and pre season. It's not even clear whether he's back to 100%. It's unlikely he's back to game speed or conditioning.

Cumulatively we haven't had our starters, at once all healthy and read to play for long.

No disagreement that Collaros has not looked good, but it's not as simple as him being the only issue.

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Blueforlife

#10
Quote from: DM83 on July 01, 2024, 08:12:24 PMEither way you cut it
Winnipeg has the poorest rated QB.zac is headed for the retirement list.
We were all surprised by the receivers once we had a Quarterback with an arm, actually were able and open  and could Catch.

Lt guard should be improved.
How does Kramdi remain a starter.
How long does____________ remain a starter on defence.
Just like pre dynasty you continue your trend making bold statements that rarely hold up, are difficult understand and often don't contribute to the discussion. 
Zach has struggled and as others point out there is more at play here.  Zach isn't headed to retirement anytime soon.
Kramdi is a work in progress and will start all year.  His development time will pay off.
Patience will pay off.  Get healthy and we will be ok.  Won't be easy but we can grind out a reasonable season still.  He have some good talent left, a few good new faces and a rock solid core of coaches / management.

Let's focus the discussion on the task at hand, how we beat Ottawa.

My receipe is:
1. Establish the run and stick with it
2. Stretch the field a bit
3. Get pressure and give Brown a lot of different looks
4. Be agreesive on D as needed
5. If Zach plays mix in a little more Strev as to limit further injury
6.  Give the faces on O some touches

dd

I am anticipating Ottawa comes out and stacks the box in an attempt to stop the run and force us to pass-which hasn't been our strong suit so far.

So you can say we re going to run the ball until they stop the run and force a bunch of 2 and outs and then the boo birds will be howling!!!

Blue In BC

Quote from: dd on July 01, 2024, 11:39:25 PMI am anticipating Ottawa comes out and stacks the box in an attempt to stop the run and force us to pass-which hasn't been our strong suit so far.

So you can say we re going to run the ball until they stop the run and force a bunch of 2 and outs and then the boo birds will be howling!!!

The run game has been our strength and opponents know that. It's no surprise they stack the box and we see that often and in particular early in games.

Depending on our field position in our 1st possession, I'm suggesting a 20+ yard pass to the wide side, preferably to the left. Even if it doesn't work, it plants the seed.

Running up the gut for 2 yards and then getting sacked on 2nd down is part of our slow starts.
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ichabod_crane

I have a sixth sense the Bombers go on a little run now with home cooking next two games...enough "pre-season" already! ;) Zach has to find his range again and Olivera gets rumbling. Some very good signs late in the Calgary game on offence. Defence doing their best considering they are losing time of possession (unheard of in prior years) and special teams doing OK. No big returns given up at least so far. Seeing progression every week. If Streveler does not throw up a lame duck in overtime that game might still be going.

Jesse

Quote from: ichabod_crane on July 02, 2024, 03:05:50 AMI have a sixth sense the Bombers go on a little run now with home cooking next two games...enough "pre-season" already! ;) Zach has to find his range again and Olivera gets rumbling. Some very good signs late in the Calgary game on offence. Defence doing their best considering they are losing time of possession (unheard of in prior years) and special teams doing OK. No big returns given up at least so far. Seeing progression every week. If Streveler does not throw up a lame duck in overtime that game might still be going.

That's how I felt last week, so hoping I was just a week too early!
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