Coaching? Recruitment? Execution? Preparedness?

[TecnoGenius]

Point is highly skilled players are being taken out of the game by gorillas who's only skill is smashing, just like hockey.  They are not the players that make the game exciting or fans pay to come see.

Well, you just described basically every DT and WILL/MLB.  Their job is to smash.  That's fundamental to stopping the run.

Yes, it sucks the high $$ skill skinny guys like WRs get the painful end of that stick.  And it sucks when many of them are taken out in a season.  Milt always says he stopped playing because of the hits -- take the hits out and he'd have played 5 more years.

But it is football.  Unless we want them grabbing at waist-flags, there's not much we can do.  And teams will try to stack their DTs/LBs with HULK SMASH guys.

[TecnoGenius]

People will try and justify why a player lay motionless on the field after the hit call they want. If it was shoulder to shoulder there would be no one laying on the ground. The fact that acklin got up and was upset pointing at his Adam's apple and his teammates causing a melee tells me it was a shoulder to the head hit. Players know when someone crosses the line.

That may be the clue as to what the contact was: shoulder to throat/shoulder.  But that would mean Sankey's throat also took Acklin's shoulder too.  It just sucks for Acklin because Sankey weighs 2X as much.  There is nothing illegal about shoulder to throat/shoulder.

We are just becoming aware of the impacts of concussions to long term health of players, and when it comes to safety, error on the safe side. There's no place in the game for a hit like that, and I don't care what your feeble justification is as there is no justification for that

Ok, so Sankey is coming straight uphill and Acklin is starting to move straight downhill.  Please enlighten us as to what Sankey is supposed to do.

Keep in mind ball carriers sometimes truck the D... Strevie.  Oullette the other night trucked a DB crazy hard H2H mid-game when he got mad he was getting no yardage.  No one cares about that DB.  Is that ok?

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Sankey is far from a DB, the guy is a muscular tank.

What can he do, well for starters don't lunges forward at the guy with all your weight going head high. It wasn't a launch but **** close. Another thing is you can Lower your target zone. Don't hit high. He could have just as easy hit hit in the gut with his shoulder and everything would have been ok, but he chose to hit high in the head area ala Micah awe. He was head hunting. That's the problem.you see only what you want to see trying to justify a hit that cant be justified. Fine comes out tomorrow and this bogus argument will be over thank god.

[TecnoGenius]

Ever heard of whiplash???  His head is definitely moving frame to frame.  Those photos don't tell us very much, we'll have to wait to see if the league thinks he deserves extra punishment.

They tell us that 100% it wasn't H2H, which was the claim.  Again, do what I suggested saving the pics to disk and flipping through them in the same window like a movie.  It's more obvious then.

If their heads/necks do not move as they collide (the frame where both heads seem to occupy the same space) then by definition something else on their body is the first point of contact.  And by definition that would be a clean hit as only "using your helmet as a weapon" is illegal.

Of course by the final frames Acklin's head is moving because as two fast-moving bodies collide the head basically becomes a free-floating flying object because of its mass.

[TecnoGenius]

Sankey is far from a DB, the guy is a muscular tank.

So is Oullette, and that was my point.  Oullette has more muscle than Sankey.  Are you going to complain about Oullette trucking an Acklin-sized DB?

What can he do, well for starters don't lunges forward at the guy with all your weight going head high. It wasn't a launch but **** close. Another thing is you can Lower your target zone. Don't hit high. He could have just as easy hit hit in the gut with his shoulder and everything would have been ok, but he chose to hit high in the head area ala Micah awe. He was head hunting. That's the problem.you see only what you want to see trying to justify a hit that cant be justified. Fine comes out tomorrow and this bogus argument will be over thank god.

I'm not justifying squat.  I don't like skill R's getting knocked out any more than you do.  However, I am pointing out what is legal per current CFL rules.  And it'll be even harder to take this type of stuff out of the game.

Ya, he could have gone a foot or two lower I guess, but then you might get low enough to do major knee damage if you hit the knee/thigh and the guys foot gets planted/stuck.  Sayles hit on that carrier did that, and Sayles got knocked out.  And the carrier looked like he had major pain on the knee/shins.  Sometimes there is no right answer.

I would bet a lot of money there is no fine for Sankey on that hit.  So we'll see who is "bogus".

However, there should be a fine for Wynn following Sankey and stealing the ball from a writhing Acklin!!  That's the real classless move here.

[Blue In BC]

Ever heard of whiplash???  His head is definitely moving frame to frame.  Those photos don't tell us very much, we'll have to wait to see if the league thinks he deserves extra punishment.

Of course. It happens many times during games. It's not necessarily a penalty.  In this instance the head moved forward not backwards. That's clear in the last 3 pictures.

Look at Acklin's head in relation to Sankey's number on his jersey.

[TBURGESS]

Check out Acklin on the sidelines after the hit. IIRC he motions to his neck when explaining it to someone.

[Blue In BC]

Check out Atkin on the sidelines after the hit. IIRC he motions to his neck when explaining it to someone.

That's been discussed already. A shoulder to the body below the head and the head with forward momentum is going to come into contact with the shoulder pad of Sankey. You can see that in the pictures provided.

It shows Sankey's head to the left of Acklin's head. Hitting a player in the throat with the helmet would be difficult to do even if you tried to do it.  You can see that Sankey's arm is down but Acklin's head is on or near the top of his shoulder.

There was no clothesline across the throat which would be a penalty and result in a strike across the throat.

Now I can't guarantee no fine happens. Some of this becomes political and intended to change some behaviours. I don't expect a fine but some of those issued have been strange. Fining the kickers for complaining about chipped balls comes to mind.

[TBURGESS]

BIBC - I think you have the wrong idea about my comment. I think it was a clean hit.

[Blue In BC]

BIBC - I think you have the wrong idea about my comment. I think it was a clean hit.

My apologies. It's been an interesting discussion but quite heated. We all want players protected from injury as much as possible.

[TecnoGenius]

Check out Acklin on the sidelines after the hit. IIRC he motions to his neck when explaining it to someone.

To clarify, he's motioning right at his adam's apple/throat.  Which makes perfect sense based on the aforementioned theories.

I actually think Acklin is most upset about the Wynn douche behavior after the play.  That garbage got a penalty (late, only on review), and hopefully gets a fine (can OC get a fine?).  Wynn's the one with the history.

Acklin actually would look pretty good in blue & gold right about now.  I think he'd be a good fit.  He's not great, but certainly serviceable.

[TecnoGenius]

My apologies. It's been an interesting discussion but quite heated. We all want players protected from injury as much as possible.

It all comes down to where you set the line.  Some people want it here, some there.  It's all a matter of degrees.

Does anyone have the word on whether Sankey got the fine today or not?  I did a search just now and crickets.  Why isn't there a central place for all this info in a timely manner (like the charts for me & Foxhound!).

[Blue In BC]

No word on any fines this week across the CFL. I'm not expecting one for Sankey, but we'll see.

EDIT: 3 players fined including Hallett for a block he made.

Nothing on the Sankey play being discussed.  Whether people agree or disagree, no penalty and no fine is the result.

[TecnoGenius]

No word on any fines this week across the CFL. I'm not expecting one for Sankey, but we'll see.

EDIT: 3 players fined including Hallett for a block he made.

Nothing on the Sankey play being discussed.  Whether people agree or disagree, no penalty and no fine is the result.

Well, that answers that.  CFL has set the precedent for this season, which just so happens to match the precedent last season.  At least I don't have to learn something new...  Now we know where the "line" is.

As for Hallett... what on earth did he do?  An illegal illegal-block?  Certainly not on ST?  Must have been on a D play like a crackback?  But I didn't see him out there?  I'm not sure how you get a fine on a ST block play unless you do some Duron Carter-level facemasking.

[Blue In BC]

Well, that answers that.  CFL has set the precedent for this season, which just so happens to match the precedent last season.  At least I don't have to learn something new...  Now we know where the "line" is.

As for Hallett... what on earth did he do?  An illegal illegal-block?  Certainly not on ST?  Must have been on a D play like a crackback?  But I didn't see him out there?  I'm not sure how you get a fine on a ST block play unless you do some Duron Carter-level facemasking.

I don't know that there is a new line that was set on the Acklin hit.

IIRC Hallett did draw a penalty on ST's. It might have been a low block from behind on a return?