We Are League Worst (officially)

[BBFANDM]

I don't particularly like to call out members but this post is utter nonsense.  Even if it is in jest, it does not help discussions being so blatantly wrong.  You need to do better Road Griller.

I would say from an effort point of view Streveler is giving his all however until we seem him pass on a number of downs vs just being a one trick pony we won't know if he has improved since 2019. It does seem that ZC08 hasn't been the same QB since the middle part of last year. Its not all on the QB our Oline has been declining as well. I would be bringing in some QBs with an eye to the future because I am not convinced things will change much with Zac and I am also not convinced Streveler is the answer as an every down QB, it could be a long season.

[TecnoGenius]

We were better tonight but still not good enough for the win

Our defence played like they were hungover!! Alexander Hollis looked like Randy moss out there and repeatedly 'mossed' our secondary.

Yes.  But the D wasn't completely hopeless, and we did make a ton of stops for 3 instead of 7.  That kept us in the game.  Actually quite amazing given how we're down to next-next-next-next man up on D.

The big problem was our DBs are weak and our DL is weak.  That means VAJ has all night at the double/triple moves by good Rs mean wide open guys exploding for TDs.  As we saw.

And it wasn't just VAJ picking on the all-rookie weak side: he was testing Ford and Holm too, and beating them regularly.  I didn't expect that from Holm.  Alexander was once again completely useless on the pass.  Maybe we should start thinking about using Hallett 21 at FS against pass-mostly teams like BC.  Hallett can basically be our version of Dequoy: skinny, light and fast; roving all over the place rather than run support.  In those games I wouldn't even dress Alexander, unless he's a better HB or CB than the rookies we're forced to field.

I don't think we got a single sack...

But like I've said so many times, our D will have to do their best and we should focus all $$ guns on the O and solve all the O problems.  If our really-hampered D can do this well, it's good enough.  If our O had put up 35-40 as they are built to do, we'd have won the game.

Now we're maybe down Schoen, and still down Lawler.  And maybe the new kid.  Now it's looking so bad on O that the dream of perfecting it to get the 40s is lost until mid/late season.  Even doing what I said and bringing in 1-2 O vets will not help.  It may be hopeless for the next several games.  I have no idea how we're supposed to beat CGY in 1 week with a surging Maier, and OTT showed they could beat us like 3-4 injuries ago...

[TecnoGenius]

If this was our first game, I wouldn't feel so bad.

If only there was a way for our team to practice for two games before the season started to create this cohesiveness.

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[BBFANDM]

If you're going to be the head mod you need to understand when someone is simply trolling the forum. Been that way for weeks. Will continue until you do something.

I don't think we need the mod to get involved this forum is for everyone not just the people you agree with. Its easy to call someone a troll but its hard to prove. I think it better to just use logic to make your points and if that doesn't work then just ignore the person.

[TecnoGenius]

Week 3 update: yup, still the worst.  EDM is 0-3 now, but they put up a respectable legit 36 points vs league-top-3 TOR.

We tried our darn best and only put up 24.

MBT looking a lot sharper than Zach.  Mitchell and Lewis looking better than our guys.  EDM's main problem in week 3 was almost no run game.  At least we have that (usually).  MBT will give EDM a legit shot at not being awful this year.

Dukes is this tiny little noobie backup and he's one of the best QBs this week.  And this with what looks like a far weaker TOR team this season.  He probably has a future here.

[dd]

EDM is for real with MBT slinging it for them. They're at least a TD better than us. Yup, we are the worst team in the west, it will be a stretch to make the playoffs this year.

[blueraid]

IF we don't shore up our D ....D Line and DB'S, we are going to be in for a very tough road to try and get back into contention....Qb's and especially guys like Macleod-Bethel Thompson will have their way with us...

[dd]

MBT will have a career game vs our D. It's going to be uuuuuugly!!

[J5V]

Where do we rank among the Western clubs?

Western teams are scoring an average of 25.82 points per game.
Western teams are giving up an average of 26.28 points per game.

WPG is scoring an average of 18.3 points per game.
WPG is giving up an average of 25.3 points per game.

BC is scoring an average of 26.3 points per game.
BC is giving up an average of 25.3 points per game.

EDM is scoring an average of 29 points per game.
EDM is giving up an average of 30.3 points per game.

CGY is scoring an average of 24.5 points per game.
CGY is giving up an average of 25 points per game.

SSK is scoring an average of 31 points per game.
SSK is giving up an average of 25.5 points per game.

On defense we are, remarkably, tied for second with BC at 25.3 points per game but we're right there with CGY who is only giving up 25 points per game. It's early but this surprised me. Kudos to Jordan Younger and the D for performing as well as they have, injuries and all other things considered.

On offense we are dead last at 18.3 points per game, a full TD behind the average and almost 2 TDs behind the leaders, EDM and SSK. This, by far, is the most alarming area of concern and O'Shea gambling for the TD with only 6 seconds on the clock speaks to the desperation to score points. Lawler, BO, Wheatfall, and now Shoen injured, O-Line struggles, lack of production from Demski, Woli, and Augustine, and some suspect play calling have been a perfect storm of disaster for the offense. O'Shea and Pierce have their hands full but desperately need to find ways to put the ball in the end zone.

[dd]

Where do we rank among the Western clubs?

Western teams are scoring an average of 25.82 points per game.
Western teams are giving up an average of 26.28 points per game.

WPG is scoring an average of 18.3 points per game.
WPG is giving up an average of 25.3 points per game.

BC is scoring an average of 26.3 points per game.
BC is giving up an average of 25.3 points per game.

EDM is scoring an average of 29 points per game.
EDM is giving up an average of 30.3 points per game.

CGY is scoring an average of 24.5 points per game.
CGY is giving up an average of 25 points per game.

SSK is scoring an average of 31 points per game.
SSK is giving up an average of 25.5 points per game.

On defense we are, remarkably, tied for second with BC at 25.3 points per game but we're right there with CGY who is only giving up 25 points per game. It's early but this surprised me. Kudos to Jordan Younger and the D for performing as well as they have, injuries and all other things considered.

On offense we are dead last at 18.3 points per game, a full TD behind the average and almost 2 TDs behind the leaders, EDM and SSK. This, by far, is the most alarming area of concern and O'Shea gambling for the TD with only 6 seconds on the clock speaks to the desperation to score points. Lawler, BO, Wheatfall, and now Shoen injured, O-Line struggles, lack of production from Demski, Woli, and Augustine, and some suspect play calling have been a perfect storm of disaster for the offense. O'Shea and Pierce have their hands full but desperately need to find ways to put the ball in the end zone.

Thanks for posting the stats.

They backup my earlier post saying we re a TD short vs other teams, and that's exactly what we are.

We are going to need all our first string receivers and RB healthy to make a run at things, thing is I don't see that happening soon. Lawler and Schoen, our #1&2 receivers, are hurt now with BO recovering from an injury, the injury bug has hit us at key positions and we re at 0-3, going into Calgary, soon to be 0-4. We ll have to run the table to get in the playoff hunt

[TBURGESS]

BC was 1st down on the 1 at the end of the game. If we add 7 points to our defensive stats or 2.3 points/game to the 25.3 we end up at 27.6 per game or second worst in the west behind Edm. 

[dd]

Ya, BC definitely took it easy on us and I don't know why they just didn't score. This is professional football. I guess they're thinking they d win the season series so who cares about points for and against, which I thought if the season series is tied doesn't it come down to point differential??or do we play an odd number of games against them this season so points for and against don't matter??

[J5V]

BC was 1st down on the 1 at the end of the game. If we add 7 points to our defensive stats or 2.3 points/game to the 25.3 we end up at 27.6 per game or second worst in the west behind Edm.

Fair enough, but still not far off the average which is remarkable all things considered. It's not like we've giving up 40 points a game consistently. I do believe in the law of averages evening things out over time. We are going through some adversity right now. The leaders on this team have been through adversity before and they will be the ones to guide our team through this rough patch. It's unrealistic to think we will never have to endure times like this. Every team does. Better days are ahead.

[dd]

As the saying goes'tough times don't last, tough people do'

[Blue In BC]

Ya, BC definitely took it easy on us and I don't know why they just didn't score. This is professional football. I guess they're thinking they d win the season series so who cares about points for and against, which I thought if the season series is tied doesn't it come down to point differential??or do we play an odd number of games against them this season so points for and against don't matter??

Points for and against potentially matter in the final calculation in the event of a multiple team tie. I only remember that happening a couple of times. The points for and against wouldn't be the first calculation.

Let's say BC, Winnipeg and Calgary tie for 1st. BC beats Winnipeg twice and loses both games to Calgary. OTOH, Winnipeg beats the Stamps twice and BC once.

I think that gives Winnipeg 1st with 3 wins. The points for and against might then come into play for Calgary and BC with only 2 wins in the season ending tie between those teams.

I'm not 100% certain but I think that happens. IIRC those 3 teams did tie like that and Winnipeg ended up 3rd.