We Are League Worst (officially)

Started by TecnoGenius, June 18, 2024, 08:06:51 AM

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TecnoGenius

Quote from: Pigskin on June 18, 2024, 02:04:25 PMBut, no booing at the games. lol.

Almost every single one of my posts attempts to offer some constructive ideas to go with the criticism.  Everything I say is in the hopes of a better team and more wins.

Booing is a perfect example of something that in no way will ever make a player or team better.  I'm very consistent.
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TecnoGenius

I noticed not a single "haha chill" post addressed the original premise.  Weak sauce guys.  Not even trying to debunk or explain away the fact we're 9th out of 9 teams?

No one was surprised?  I was when I realized this fact.  I thought we were bottom third, but I didn't know we were plum last.

Personalizing it against the messenger doesn't make it untrue or any less disturbing.
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Blueforlife

Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 19, 2024, 12:40:13 AMI hope so!  I'm on the ledge guys!  ;D  ;D  ;D
On the ledge regarding posting another panic thread with same theme lol

Don't look down

TecnoGenius

Quote from: dd on June 18, 2024, 10:03:16 PMI know it's been said many times before, but the Lions went 0-5 and won the grey cup. With Brady and Lawler our, our offensive production is going to suffer—currently scoring 16 pats a game on average, that doesn't win you too many ball games. So our game plan has to change. We aren't going to win shoot outs, so concentrate on high percent plays that move the ball consistently and work at winning the 25-20 games, forget string to score 40 points a game, ain't gonna happen until our 2-3 offensive superstars come off the IR and our O line gets it together. Until then, work with what you've got and try and get a 0.500 record u til our studs get back.

First off, it's not 2-3 O superstars on IR, it's 2.  Not trying to be pedantic, but it accuracy really matters for this conversation, as we'll see below.

Our offence was at 100% full strength for a full half of week 1!  And it stunk total rocks!  This isn't a "when the IRs come back the O will be great" issue.  The 2 stars can come back tomorrow and I bet we play much like that half of week 1.  Because clearly there is another problem, whether RT, LG, C, 5th WR (or Buck!)... I don't know, but the weakness is more than just the O IR.

We won't get better by wishing and hoping and waiting.

Horseman sees the problem more clearly.  Others take note.  The 2-3 prior-years M.O. of never bringing in anyone in-season cannot possibly apply this year because a) we were already very weak with way too many rookies/sophomores due to SMS limitations, and now b) we've lost a ton of vets and rookies/sophomores to the 6GIR.

Other teams had a much better starting point and they have had less injuries and yet even they are going out and picking up vets and middlings.
Never go full Rider!

dd

I know it's been said many times before, but the Lions went 0-5 and won the grey cup. With Brady and Lawler our, our offensive production is going to suffer—currently scoring 16 pats a game on average, that doesn't win you too many ball games. So our game plan has to change. We aren't going to win shoot outs, so concentrate on high percent plays that move the ball consistently and work at winning the 25-20 games, forget string to score 40 points a game, ain't gonna happen until our 2-3 offensive superstars come off the IR and our O line gets it together. Until then, work with what you've got and try and get a 0.500 record until our studs get back.

TecnoGenius

Quote from: dd on June 19, 2024, 03:07:59 AMSo our game plan has to change. We aren't going to win shoot outs, so concentrate on high percent plays that move the ball consistently and work at winning the 25-20 games, forget string to score 40 points a game

It's an idea, but I'm not sure I agree.  The only reason to abandon our mid/deep game is if our OL is so incompetent we can rarely get more than 2.7s.  Is that the case?  Maybe.  (If so, why aren't we exploring OL options?)

Teams are beating us by limiting our game in some way.  They are limiting our deep game with pressure, or limiting our run game with box-stacking and LB/DB cheating up to the line.  They are limiting all of our pass game by getting pressure with just 4.  They are limiting our short game bringing LBers and DBs into Zach's lanes.

I'd prefer that, assuming our OL isn't useless, we play the whole playbook.  We have to get back to mixing it up, kind of like what MTL is doing every week.  Keep everyone guessing and don't restrict our options.  I mean, really, we have a decade-long CFL vet for a QB and we want to play him like he's a rookie?  If so, what's the point of having the #1 rated QB?
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dd

We don't have the #1 rated Qb, our offense is #9 in the league

TecnoGenius

Quote from: dd on June 19, 2024, 03:33:10 AMWe don't have the #1 rated Qb, our offense is #9 in the league

Right before week 1 Zach was the #1 best player (let alone QB) in the TSN top-50 players.  And the only QB to take their team to 4 straight GCs in... well, probably not since EDM in the 80s?

Ya, I'd call that the #1 best QB.

Now, since that KO in week 1, certainly Zach has looked like the 9th best QB (ok, maybe 8th).  Just depends on how we measure things.
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BlueInCgy

This was predictable.  There have been numerous indications over the past two seasons that we were getting long in the tooth, it was painted over with a bunch of "There are no style points in a win".  Zach is only as good as his Oline, and we're nowhere near where we were in successful seasons.  And Zachs not the only problem, the drops we've seen thus far have been brutal.  Special teams has been garbage and we're uncompetitive and worse, unentertaining.  Every other game this weekend was miles better to watch.

We're going to be battling in the basement this year.  Personally if we have to go through a dreaded rebuild, let's get that started now and not delude ourselves

TecnoGenius

Quote from: BlueInCgy on June 19, 2024, 04:18:41 AMWe're going to be battling in the basement this year.  Personally if we have to go through a dreaded rebuild, let's get that started now and not delude ourselves

I'm nearly positive we can get back to winning with some key tweaks.  In no way would I call for a rebuild in-season, if for no other reason than it never has and never will work given the limitations of the CFL.

It will take the entire team and coaches rededicating themselves to excellence over nonsense.  And some key acquisitions.  If we do that I think we bounce right back up to 40+ points a game and start racking up the W's.
Never go full Rider!

Jesse

Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 19, 2024, 12:47:25 AMI noticed not a single "haha chill" post addressed the original premise.  Weak sauce guys.  Not even trying to debunk or explain away the fact we're 9th out of 9 teams?

No one was surprised?  I was when I realized this fact.  I thought we were bottom third, but I didn't know we were plum last.

Personalizing it against the messenger doesn't make it untrue or any less disturbing.

Plum last in average offence when 2 teams have only played one game. We're in top 3 for defence, so you can internally debate what place you'd put us in.

Another thought you should get out of your head is that we were 100% for the first half of week 1. We weren't. Brady hadn't been a part of training camp due to injury and was pretty much immediately out again. He was not healthy. The rest of our starters hadn't played together since the grey cup. It was a brand new OL. It was messy.

I don't like a lot of what the coaches have done so far, I think they've made this harder than it needs to be, but the real thing we're missing is Brady. Go back to the start of his tenure with us, when he struggles (or is missing), the offence does not look the same. Until he is back, and healthy, we're going to struggle on O.
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GOLDMEMBER

Holy Moly Tecno, yah things aren't great now but come on. Are you as a fan this fragile? It is still early.

This team will find there way.
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Jesse

Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on June 19, 2024, 12:36:38 PMHoly Moly Tecno, yah things aren't great now but come on. Are you as a fan this fragile? It is still early.

This team will find there way.

We've never seen Techno with a team that doesn't go to the Grey Cup every year.
My wife is amazing!

TecnoGenius

Quote from: Jesse on June 19, 2024, 01:03:39 PMWe've never seen Techno with a team that doesn't go to the Grey Cup every year.

Not true.  Check my profile: joined the forum 2015 after 2 years of lurking.

I was the one of the unlucky ones that went to around half the games in '13 and '14 @IGF and didn't see a single win.  I understand pain.  Scarred me for life.

However, I kept at it and got to see the slow rise of The Mafia starting in '15 with the arrival of Nichols.

If we go back to '12 / '13, so be it.  I'll be a STH for life.  But I won't be silent about my ideas this time!
Never go full Rider!

BomberFan73

I think we miss Hardrick's enthusiasm more than some thought we would.
That **** is contagious.