What's your opinion of the club

[blue_gold_84]

Thanks. But yikes.

[ichabod_crane]

It's not always how you start, but how you finish that matters. Toronto finishing 16-2...did not matter. Stunk out the East finals last year and ousted convincingly. Still giving the boyz some time to get cooking. No need to panic yet. Start off 0-4 though then something probably has to be shaken up almost.

Some stirrings of life last game, hopefully they improve on that by leaps and bounds against BC as they will need it!

Calgary made the west playoffs at 6-12 last year, so it's not over until it's over! I know just scraping in is not what most people want, but a 9-9 Bombers team in 1988 won it all. So anything is possible. I think the record for below .500 teams winning a grey cup though is pretty small. 2000 and 2001 are the only ones that come to mind.....2001 especially painful as a great Bombers regular season team choked against Calgary in that Grey Cup. Calgary had an 8-10 record and looking pitiful going into the playoffs and then had a 3 game hot streak! Wally's world magic I guess!

[Jesse]

Who would have thought that offence would be the problem 2 weeks in?

I assumed we'd start slow because of the lack of reps, but this is ridiculous.

[blue_or_die]

I'm not sure what's worse - the offense's start or the 2-3 posters on here doom-n-gloomin' back and forth in the echo chamber

[TecnoGenius]

I assumed we'd start slow because of the lack of reps, but this is ridiculous.

It's funny, I rewatched week 1 and Suits kept saying all 1st half stuff like "just wait, Zach won't have rust for more than 1-2 series".  Just kept repeating that.  And then we went 2'n'out, 2'n'out, 2'n'out, 2'n'out.

Eventually Suits shut up about Zach when it was clear by halftime there was major trouble, right here in river city!  Trouble with a capital T, that rhymes with Z, and that stands for Zach!     

I can see the major week 3 TSN talking point being What's Up With WPG?  What's up with Zach?

[TecnoGenius]

I'm not sure what's worse - the offense's start or the 2-3 posters on here doom-n-gloomin' back and forth in the echo chamber

Uh, if only 2-3 posters are "doom-n-gloomin'" in this forum then by definition it is not an echo chamber.  If anything, it's the opposite... (give that statement some thought)

And I've been counting... the "trouble in river city" crowd has grown to at least 5-6 posters if you look carefully at all the comments.  Only 2 of us are making a big stink though.  So many don't want to go against the crowd, but they sure do exist... I bet there's more lurking!!

But hey, I don't want anyone to misrepresent my stance.  I've been very clear:  I don't want to blow up the team or go nuts, I just want some indication that we're exploring all the options and doing all we can to make some SMS room to hopefully bring in a select 1-2 vets!  And I don't think we'll lose everything all year or not have a cup shot!  All I want to see is something other than "next-next-next man up", and much more effort and brains from all coaches and coordinators.

Oh ya, and the $225k+ crowd of players we have: they need to start earning their pay.

[dd]

Agree on the $225k+ crowd comment. That's the problem when you're a big marque player getting the mega bucks while the rest of the team compromises their contract amount so we can keep the 'superstars' happy. Well if the superstars ain't producing—-and 3 measly touchdowns in 2 games is a massive disappointment, the natives get restless real quick. Folks say we couldn't afford rourke if he came back, bahahah, I'd cut Collaros so quick his head would spin, problem solved. With big big dollars come big big expectations and so far #8 has been a big big disappointment.

[blue_gold_84]

I'm not sure what's worse - the offense's start or the 2-3 posters on here doom-n-gloomin' back and forth in the echo chamber

Definitely the latter. The former is out of anyone's control on the forum.

[Road Griller]

Agree on the $225k+ crowd comment. That's the problem when you're a big marque player getting the mega bucks while the rest of the team compromises their contract amount so we can keep the 'superstars' happy. Well if the superstars ain't producing—-and 3 measly touchdowns in 2 games is a massive disappointment, the natives get restless real quick. Folks say we couldn't afford rourke if he came back, bahahah, I'd cut Collaros so quick his head would spin, problem solved. With big big dollars come big big expectations and so far #8 has been a big big disappointment.

Your best players have to be your best players.  QB,RB, MLB and two receivers are taking up way to much of the SMS IMO.

We can afford NR with just a few releases.  Not a problem.  We wouldn't even notice. Just do it before vet cut down day.

[LXTSN]

My concern level is at a 3.5/10.

ZC has been playing at the lowest level we've seen since joining the team.
Buck has barely implemented any intricate plays into the offense.
Lots of injuries piling up.

These are the 3 biggest issues we have right now. All 3 of these are going to improve.
ZC will get more reps and receivers and OL will build chemistry.
Buck will slowly implement more and more as the season goes on. 
Guys will get healthy. Olivera is day to day, so that will help getting him healthy. Lawler and Nichols are not done for the season, and Biggie is finally looking good and healthy!

I'm very optimistic since this is the worst we've seen the bombers play in a long time! Can only go up from there lol
Even if we finish the season 9-9, we will make the playoffs and be a big threat to win it all again. It just takes some time to retool this squad with the pieces we lost in the offseason.

[Lincoln Locomotive]

I'll sum up my feeling about the team and the coaches with one word.....complacency

[blue_or_die]

Uh, if only 2-3 posters are "doom-n-gloomin'" in this forum then by definition it is not an echo chamber.  If anything, it's the opposite... (give that statement some thought)

And I've been counting... the "trouble in river city" crowd has grown to at least 5-6 posters if you look carefully at all the comments.  Only 2 of us are making a big stink though.  So many don't want to go against the crowd, but they sure do exist... I bet there's more lurking!!

But hey, I don't want anyone to misrepresent my stance.  I've been very clear:  I don't want to blow up the team or go nuts, I just want some indication that we're exploring all the options and doing all we can to make some SMS room to hopefully bring in a select 1-2 vets!  And I don't think we'll lose everything all year or not have a cup shot!  All I want to see is something other than "next-next-next man up", and much more effort and brains from all coaches and coordinators.

Oh ya, and the $225k+ crowd of players we have: they need to start earning their pay.

I don't think anyone is denying the poor performances of the new guys or the highly paid guys. What I'm rolling my eyes at is stuff like:

- "we need to sign retired guys"
- "our players need to reneg their contracts"

Your thesis is something along the lines of, we need some sort of significant shakeup. I'm not sure how you reach that conclusion after 2 games. It might be as simple as: the new guys get better as their game experience grows (logical), and our highly paid guys start to earn their money (as we have precedence).

So it's not really the disappointment or even anger after the first two weeks I take exception with, it's the proposed solutions and lack of faith that these things can still come together in the next 19 weeks of football left. We did just go to four straight cups with this regime...

Now, I wonder what this place (which looks and feels like ground zero after an H bomb went off, if I'm gonna be honest) will look like on Friday if we whoop BC?

[TecnoGenius]

Buck has barely implemented any intricate plays into the offense.
Buck will slowly implement more and more as the season goes on.

Why?  Buck's O skill players only had 1 roster change compared to all of last year!  Only Bailey was swapped out.  Ya, with Kenny out now it's 2, but look just at half 1 of week 1 for argument's sake:

Why didn't we have the full playbook open for week 1?  Why did we need to slowly ramp up?  Just to make the 1 new guy comfortable?  It doesn't make any sense.  Logic dictates you play your normal book and just ignore the #5 as a decoy all game.

We lost our #5 WR.  MTL lost their #1 WR, and they were using their entire playbook playing 100% full speed just like last season never ended!

So why did we use just 1/10th of our book?  Make it make sense.

[TecnoGenius]

- "we need to sign retired guys"
- "our players need to reneg their contracts"

Your thesis is something along the lines of, we need some sort of significant shakeup. I'm not sure how you reach that conclusion after 2 games. It might be as simple as: the new guys get better as their game experience grows (logical), and our highly paid guys start to earn their money (as we have precedence).

You bash the restructure idea but still to this day not a single person has said how we can get more SMS to sign anyone over ELC.

Ok, so you'll say you don't want to sign anyone except TC cuts, as we are doing.  That's a valid opinion.

So you are precluding us from signing any vet, whether retired or not.  Even though we have precedence for this (Denmark).

So I ask, who's smoking the hopium and having magical thinking that the Nth man down the TC cut roster is going to "get better as their game experience grows".

We didn't have a single "best hips I've ever seen", "this kid is the next big CFL WR", guy in TC this year (or last).  That doesn't mean these kids can't be the next all-star after 2-3 years in the league.  But it almost certainly means they won't be the next Alford or Schoen in year 1!!  And we need dire help right now.

It's like you've forgotten how far down the depth chart we're dredging now.  I would 100% agree with what you are saying if the week 3 depth chart was identical to the week 1 chart.  But it's not.  Many positions are now the backups, or 3rd or 4th stringers.  And even the positions that only went from starter to backup went from "weak week 1 starter that probably wasn't starter material to being with" to "even weaker" because they were already next-man-up from last season's personnel losses!!

We will have an incredibly hard time winning any games if our week X starters are the guys that were deemed too poor to even be on the PR in week 1!

And ya, I have nothing against "retirees" like Jeffcoat.  Are you telling me that if KW says he signed Jeffcoat and he starts week 3 that you wouldn't be excited and hopeful?  What, you'd be angry?  Disappointed?  You'd rather we start a nobody that couldn't even make our PR in 2023?  It's like you've forgotten that Haba was injured in week 2!  I can't even name who'll start DE at week 3, can you?

Other teams are starting their runs for the cup and taking every game seriously.  Just like we used to.  And we're sitting here starting TC fodder at many key positions, and probably going to keep start 9, 10, heck why not 14 NATs, because we all know that NATs excel at DL in the CFL...

I don't want a shakeup compared to the week 1 chart.  I want something done about the week 3 chart!  I'm only proposing bringing in 1-3 vets, maybe one at a time week to week, at the most-key positions.  Since I've decided we need to focus on the O and 40 points, I'd start with a vet 5th WR.  I'd like to see a beast IMP OL as 3rd IMP, but I do appreciate how that is much harder to plug'n'play mid-season.  And I'd like to see a vet DE and/or DT.  WR and DL can 100% be plug'n'play (see MTL last season), so no reason not to try.

1, 2, or 3 vet acquisitions is not a "shakeup", and many teams have already made such moves since week 1 to cover their injury/performance woes!!  Why not us?  Why is this controversial?  This year is nothing like past years where it was our superstars injured and the heir apparent was already in-house and quite capable of tiding us over until the vet returned.  So why are we treating it as such?

[TecnoGenius]

Now, I wonder what this place (which looks and feels like ground zero after an H bomb went off, if I'm gonna be honest) will look like on Friday if we whoop BC?

Then I'll be praising the Lord and handing out cigars to everyone.  We all want to win.

And hey, we could win because it's still a game @PAS, and even without Kenny we still have one of the strongest O's on paper, and BC is showing cracks.  If our OL tightens up, Zach shapes up, Desmki/Schoen wake up, and the 2 rookies don't screw up, we could possibly achieve the 40 we'll need to win.

It'll take a ton of pressure off of change ideas for the O.  But it won't do anything to reduce the calls for fixes for the 10th-men-up on the D...