Should the overpaid stars restructure?

[theaardvark]

We didn't move on from Hall we kept him around so we did lose Younger. Much different situation as there was no way to keep both Brown and Zack.

Hall was kept, yes, but in a reduced role, Hall could have just as easily retired.  Yes, we would not have been able to keep Brown and Zach, but moving forward with the future over a future HOF.

I am sure Collaros will come into for this year,and maybe even next or the GC, and hopefully we will find the next Dru Brown by them for 2026.  I think, win or lose, after 2025 Zach is probably going to retire...

[Blueforlife]

Hall was kept, yes, but in a reduced role, Hall could have just as easily retired.  Yes, we would not have been able to keep Brown and Zach, but moving forward with the future over a future HOF.

I am sure Collaros will come into for this year,and maybe even next or the GC, and hopefully we will find the next Dru Brown by them for 2026.  I think, win or lose, after 2025 Zach is probably going to retire...

The key is Hall didn't retire we retained both.  The comparison holds no weight imo. We got the best of both worlds, retaining both ensures a smooth transition.

Developing another Dru Brown is exceptionally hard even with a decade.  That said we don't know what Brown is yet but I do see great things for him.

Predicting Zach's future is a very difficult thing to do at this time.  I have no idea nor do I see much value in that speculation at this time.

[Blue In BC]

Sept 9 2023, Collaros defeats the Riders 51 - 6 and throws for 5 TDs and 300+ yards.

In 2023 he threw for the 2nd most yards, the most TD's and had the highest QB rating for the season.

Bombers were 14 - 4. Only the Argos had a better season record, noting they didn't make the Grey Cup.

I know the past is the past but lets settle down here.

[Blueforlife]

Sept 9 2023, Collaros defeats the Riders 51 - 6 and throws for 5 TDs and 300+ yards.

In 2023 he threw for the 2nd most yards, the most TD's and had the highest QB rating for the season.

Bombers were 14 - 4. Only the Argos had a better season record, noting they didn't make the Grey Cup.

I know the past is the past but lets settle down here.

The past indicates where you are in the present.  Nice reminder of what we are.  The call to settle down echoes my thoughts exactly.

[TBURGESS]

The past is the past. It's not a predictor of the future. This year Collaros hasn't thrown a TD pass and has thrown 3 picks in 2 games.

[Blue In BC]

The past is the past. It's not a predictor of the future. This year Collaros hasn't thrown a TD pass and has thrown 3 picks in 2 games.

So the past is the past but you use the 2 games this year as a defining line? Our win loss over 4 years of being in the last 4 Grey Cups is all washed away over 2 games?

I agree they were not good performances, but it's a little early to base the season on that.

[TBURGESS]

So the past is the past but you use the 2 games this year as a defining line? Our win loss over 4 years of being in the last 4 Grey Cups is all washed away over 2 games?

I agree they were not good performances, but it's a little early to base the season on that.

No, the last 4 years don't matter anymore. Football is a what have you done for me lately game and lately, Collaros hasn't been very good at all. Does that mean he can't get better going forward? Of course not. 

[Blue In BC]

No, the last 4 years don't matter anymore. Football is a what have you done for me lately game and lately, Collaros hasn't been very good at all. Does that mean he can't get better going forward? Of course not.

The players around him haven't played well.  You want to put all the blame on him it seems. Losing our starting RB, 2 rookie receivers, 2 changes on the OL. Losing TOP which is a factor of bad offence as well as defence not getting the opponent off the field.

Coaching decisions not allowing Collaros or most of the vets to participate in pre season and thinking that isn't a factor? Bland play calling by Buck?

Deflection my butt.

[Blueforlife]

To suggest the past means nothing is over the top in my opinion.  We have build a mini dynasty and created a team culture that we might not achieve again in many years.  Our current team is aging in some areas and we have struggled this season.  Our success this year will be dependent on how we adjust and perform now but it's deeply rooted on the past success and continuity of our coaches, management and vetern core.  Yes sports is what have you done for me lately business but it's two games after many years of dominance.  You can't dismiss the success we have had and pretend it doesn't matter.  Some on here have confidence in this organization, coaches and players as we have seen greatness for many years.  That bar has been set really high and this year we might fall a little short of past success but it's to early to know.  Some on here are being way to hard and over critical of Zach imo.  Give it time, have patience.

The players around him haven't played well.  You want to put all the blame on him it seems. Losing our starting RB, 2 rookie receivers, 2 changes on the OL. Losing TOP which is a factor of bad offence as well as defence not getting the opponent off the field.

Coaching decisions not allowing Collaros or most of the vets to participate in pre season and thinking that isn't a factor? Bland play calling by Buck?

Deflection my butt.

Facts are presented above.

[theaardvark]

No one is suggesting that Zach has forgotten how to play.  The key is, does he still have the physical ability.

His throws have been off, if it physical, or is it adjusting to a new oline and some new rec's, and not having BO20?

Picks are uncharacteristic for him, what is causing them?

We all hope that is just a little rust that he needs to shake off...

[Blueforlife]

No one is suggesting that Zach has forgotten how to play.  The key is, does he still have the physical ability.

His throws have been off, if it physical, or is it adjusting to a new oline and some new rec's, and not having BO20?

Picks are uncharacteristic for him, what is causing them?

We all hope that is just a little rust that he needs to shake off...

Rust, Oline, lack of run game are my bets

Zach throws ints always has always will.  His TD to Int ratio has always been good here.  Let's see if he can continue that.

[Blue In BC]

No one is suggesting that Zach has forgotten how to play.  The key is, does he still have the physical ability.

His throws have been off, if it physical, or is it adjusting to a new oline and some new rec's, and not having BO20?

Picks are uncharacteristic for him, what is causing them?

We all hope that is just a little rust that he needs to shake off...

A prison break of DL getting through the OL. Off the top of my head there have been several dropped balls by receivers. One deflection by the DL and one by the receiver.

I can't tell if Wilson is getting open but he's not getting many looks.

Collaros looked better in game 2 than in game 1 so there is a rust issue. I suspect he's trying too hard due to other problems on offence. He just needs to settle.

Bombers have used a balanced offence over the good years but we haven't been able to do that yet this year.

[TBURGESS]

The players around him haven't played well.  You want to put all the blame on him it seems. Losing our starting RB, 2 rookie receivers, 2 changes on the OL. Losing TOP which is a factor of bad offence as well as defence not getting the opponent off the field.

Coaching decisions not allowing Collaros or most of the vets to participate in pre season and thinking that isn't a factor? Bland play calling by Buck?

Deflection my butt.

Doubling down on your strawman arguments, eh? Yup, it's everyone but Collaros who is playing badly, coaching badly and getting injured. Collaros shouldn't take any of the blame cuz he's been great for 3 years and a playoffs. The rest shouldn't take any blame cuz we're a dynasty. 

The past is the past. It's not a predictor of the future. This year Collaros hasn't thrown a TD pass and has thrown 3 picks in 2 games.

This is what I said. This is what I meant. 

[Pete]

In last night sask hamilton game they talked about Blm  having to make changes to his playing style in order to extend his career, I would suggest its the same for Zac, he doesnt have the same mobility or offensive line,
His release needs to be quicker, be willing to take the shorter pass, and check down more often. Otherwise he might see a downturn in his effectiveness like bo experienced.

[Road Griller]

Doubling down on your strawman arguments, eh? Yup, it's everyone but Collaros who is playing badly, coaching badly and getting injured. Collaros shouldn't take any of the blame cuz he's been great for 3 years and a playoffs. The rest shouldn't take any blame cuz we're a dynasty. This is what I said. This is what I meant.

Doubling down on your strawman arguments, eh? Yup, it's everyone but Collaros who is playing badly, coaching badly and getting injured. Collaros shouldn't take any of the blame cuz he's been great for 3 years and a playoffs. The rest shouldn't take any blame cuz we're a dynasty. This is what I said. This is what I meant.

Look at Harris last night, under pressure all game, sacked 4 times.  Loses 2 key receivers and an online man.  Hangs in there and pulls it out.  Fantastic performance.

Zach has not played well in his last four starts.

Friday is now or never territory imo , not a great situation for sure but how long can the team let this continue and have the L's keep piling up?

Maybe try a ball control offence instead of duck and chuck.  Starts with Buck, then we find out if Zach can still sustain drives and score or is simply just done as a starter.