Montreals best weapon

Started by DM83, June 08, 2024, 12:17:21 AM

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TecnoGenius

#30 Cosby?

Or is this a joke and MTL's best weapon was WPG #30?  (Ouch)
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Blueforlife

Very confused about this thread

ModAdmin

I'm sure DM83 will expand on his OP before this thread disappears.
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TecnoGenius

Quote from: ModAdmin on June 08, 2024, 04:25:26 AMI'm sure DM83 will expand on his OP before this thread disappears.

Might take a week, though!  Maybe we should make a poll on it: what did DM mean by this post?  My money's on #30 Ford!  Book it!
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BomberFan73

Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 08, 2024, 04:30:00 AMMight take a week, though!  Maybe we should make a poll on it: what did DM mean by this post?  My money's on #30 Ford!  Book it!

Pretty sure that is what he is saying.  Pretty much every big play was in his vicinity.

dd

Quote from: BomberFan73 on June 08, 2024, 12:33:26 PMPretty sure that is what he is saying.  Pretty much every big play was in his vicinity.
You noticed that trend too?? DM83 may have a point.....

TecnoGenius

Then please, someone, explain to me why Ford was down doing the NFL thing for an entire year?  Shouldn't he have been 1 tryout and done if he was awful?

What did MTL know ahead of time to pick Ford as the fall guy?  Or... did they test him early and then pick him due to on-field results?  I know I thought Ford would be a strong "new" player.  I thought Bonds would be the weak link.

Now the question is: Was this a "newbie" one-off weak game for Ford, or is he going to be a liability all season?  I think we all had huge hopes for him.
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Jesse

Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 10, 2024, 07:41:29 AMThen please, someone, explain to me why Ford was down doing the NFL thing for an entire year?  Shouldn't he have been 1 tryout and done if he was awful?

What did MTL know ahead of time to pick Ford as the fall guy?  Or... did they test him early and then pick him due to on-field results?  I know I thought Ford would be a strong "new" player.  I thought Bonds would be the weak link.

Now the question is: Was this a "newbie" one-off weak game for Ford, or is he going to be a liability all season?  I think we all had huge hopes for him.

Hey, I don't think Ford is a lost cause either,  but he essentially did have one try out and was down in the NFL. He was released at the end of training camp and spent the year waiting for another opportunity.
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What a stupid timeline.

Sir Blue and Gold

Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 10, 2024, 07:41:29 AMThen please, someone, explain to me why Ford was down doing the NFL thing for an entire year?  Shouldn't he have been 1 tryout and done if he was awful?

What did MTL know ahead of time to pick Ford as the fall guy?  Or... did they test him early and then pick him due to on-field results?  I know I thought Ford would be a strong "new" player.  I thought Bonds would be the weak link.

Now the question is: Was this a "newbie" one-off weak game for Ford, or is he going to be a liability all season?  I think we all had huge hopes for him.

He wasn't playing corner...

Throw Long Bannatyne

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Age old DC strategy, "go after the new guys repeatedly till they break", more often than not it forces mistakes and works.

TecnoGenius

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 10, 2024, 01:45:22 PMHe wasn't playing corner...

You mean in the NFL?  So they were misusing him?  I don't follow NFL, so could use any insight you might have on this.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 10, 2024, 04:24:59 PMAge old DC strategy, "go after the new guys repeatedly till they break", more often than not it forces mistakes and works.

Ya, but why select Ford for this and not Bonds on the other side?  Weird.  I find CFL teams often focus on the boundary side WR over the strongside WR.
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Sir Blue and Gold

Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 12, 2024, 03:42:44 AMYou mean in the NFL?  So they were misusing him?  I don't follow NFL, so could use any insight you might have on this.

Ya, but why select Ford for this and not Bonds on the other side?  Weird.  I find CFL teams often focus on the boundary side WR over the strongside WR.

The Packers signed him as a corner I think but in training camp he played a lot of safety. Partly because they are deep at corner and because they had injuries at safety but also probably because they didn't love what they saw.

However, that's not to say I think he's misused or will be unsuccessful in the CFL. He could very well be a great CFL corner, especially on the field side. He gave up a few big plays but the sample size is low and all defensive backs give up big plays sometimes. It was far from a horrible showing even if there were some issues.

He's going to get tested a bunch next on Thursday so the great news is we won't have to wait long for the second report card. 

We need to give it a few games.

CrazyCanuck89

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 12, 2024, 04:46:56 AMThe Packers signed him as a corner I think but in training camp he played a lot of safety. Partly because they are deep at corner and because they had injuries at safety but also probably because they didn't love what they saw.

However, that's not to say I think he's misused or will be unsuccessful in the CFL. He could very well be a great CFL corner, especially on the field side. He gave up a few big plays but the sample size is low and all defensive backs give up big plays sometimes. It was far from a horrible showing even if there were some issues.

He's going to get tested a bunch next on Thursday so the great news is we won't have to wait long for the second report card. 

We need to give it a few games.

UDFAs need to be versatile, in the NFL.

I agree, it's a similar situation to Lokombo in Sask.

dd

He's a rookie getting his CFL baptism....he'll have to figure it out or next man up

CrazyCanuck89

Quote from: dd on June 12, 2024, 05:39:51 PMHe's a rookie getting his CFL baptism....he'll have to figure it out or next man up

Who's a rookie?

Blueforlife

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Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 10, 2024, 07:41:29 AMThen please, someone, explain to me why Ford was down doing the NFL thing for an entire year?  Shouldn't he have been 1 tryout and done if he was awful?

What did MTL know ahead of time to pick Ford as the fall guy?  Or... did they test him early and then pick him due to on-field results?  I know I thought Ford would be a strong "new" player.  I thought Bonds would be the weak link.

Now the question is: Was this a "newbie" one-off weak game for Ford, or is he going to be a liability all season?  I think we all had huge hopes for him.
Knee jerk reaction to Fords first game of the season, imo.  Give him time, have patience.  One game means nothing especially for an outstanding athlete like Ford.  He has potential, give him time.  Give the D time to sync.

TecnoGenius

Quote from: CrazyCanuck89 on June 12, 2024, 06:50:35 PMWho's a rookie?

Ford.  Ya, he's not, but he kinda is, in a way.  I think he started a couple of games for us in '22?  Maybe backed-up on others?  Then he bailed.  This will certainly be his first full season starting in the CFL.

I don't even remember: did he dress a whole season for us or did he flit off down south mid-season?
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Blueforlife

Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 13, 2024, 02:15:08 AMFord.  Ya, he's not, but he kinda is, in a way.  I think he started a couple of games for us in '22?  Maybe backed-up on others?  Then he bailed.  This will certainly be his first full season starting in the CFL.

I don't even remember: did he dress a whole season for us or did he flit off down south mid-season?
My memory sucks but I think we had him for year, didn't play much and we let him go to try his luck down South.

Jesse

He was here for the whole year, but only started in the last game of the season when we played all backups.
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TecnoGenius

Quote from: Jesse on June 13, 2024, 10:55:52 AMHe was here for the whole year, but only started in the last game of the season when we played all backups.

But he did sub in a fair bit on rotation, right?  I remember noting that he was pretty decent when in, and not just a garbage-season game.
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DM83

Nope.  Ford is the issue vs. Montreal.
Vs. Ottawa the cancer seems to have spread.  Dis you all see the number of Bombers going at half speed?


TecnoGenius

Quote from: DM83 on June 14, 2024, 06:41:18 AMNope.  Ford is the issue vs. Montreal.
Vs. Ottawa the cancer seems to have spread.  Dis you all see the number of Bombers going at half speed?

Ford may have botched things vs MTL but he did quite well vs OTT.  Especially in the 1st half, he was making impact plays.

And we can't bash on Kramdi in this game, he was laying the wood all night, all over the place, and we had him playing at least 2 different positions!

With the game's run results, I'd say our DL and run-stop LBers were more of a problem than the DBs.  Ya, DL got killed by injuries, but ~130Y rushing is not acceptable.

On the bright side, Biggie was moving with speed and making plays.  That's always nice to see.
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Throw Long Bannatyne

Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 14, 2024, 07:52:01 AMFord may have botched things vs MTL but he did quite well vs OTT.  Especially in the 1st half, he was making impact plays.

And we can't bash on Kramdi in this game, he was laying the wood all night, all over the place, and we had him playing at least 2 different positions!

With the game's run results, I'd say our DL and run-stop LBers were more of a problem than the DBs.  Ya, DL got killed by injuries, but ~130Y rushing is not acceptable.

On the bright side, Biggie was moving with speed and making plays.  That's always nice to see.

Looked like Ford was responsible for the last TC Ottawa scored, although Holm ended up chasing the receiver he rarely screws up coverage. If that's the case Ford has already been responsible for 2-3 TD's given up in 2 games, that's not sustainable.

Sir Blue and Gold

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 14, 2024, 08:37:47 AMLooked like Ford was responsible for the last TC Ottawa scored, although Holm ended up chasing the receiver he rarely screws up coverage. If that's the case Ford has already been responsible for 2-3 TD's given up in 2 games, that's not sustainable.

Was a man call and usually DBs would switch there instead of getting lost in the wash. Having said that, Ford played a pretty good game yesterday. Certainly much better than week one.

LXTSN

In Ford's second real start, I think he did well. Certainly not the reason why we lost that game.

Throw Long Bannatyne

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Quote from: LXTSN on June 14, 2024, 02:58:00 PMIn Ford's second real start, I think he did well. Certainly not the reason why we lost that game.

At times Ford looked good but maybe he's being rushed along without a reason, he's not a ratio requirement and it's clear he doesn't fully understand the coverage yet.  Of course his replacement isn't immediately obvious with injuries and a number of experierienced DB's shown the door.

theaardvark

DBs communication in ways is even more important than Oline.  And getting to that point where you know what your partner is doing without saying anything takes time.  One half step out of timing and you can blow a coverage.  Not handing off a coverage cleanly happens less and less the more players work together. 

This DB corps is much newer than our Oline.  As they settle in, I think they have great potential.
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theaardvark

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 14, 2024, 03:19:12 PMAt times Ford looked good but maybe he's being rushed along without a reason, he's not a ratio requirement and it's clear he doesn't fully understand the coverage yet.  Of course his replacement isn't immediately obvious with injuries and a number of experierienced DB's shown the door.

I take exception to "number of DB's shown the door".  $SMS hamstrings a GM when other teams have money to spend and a hole to fill. 

We have the most veteran team in the league.  And those veterans make more money.  So you need ELC guys, every team does.  It's something a coach has to work with. 

If we'd "shown the door" to Nichols, Alexander, Parker and Holm, you'd have a point.  But we had Houston coming off an ELC needing a big raise, so we had to make a choice.  Parker's injury meant 2 holes to fill with ELC's in Ford and Bonds.

Still had 3 vets in the DB's to start the year (hopefully Nichols is just a precautionary thing). If Nichols is not available, Griffin II or McGhee are possibly next man up... 
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Count me as believing Ford had a much better game against Ottawa. 
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TecnoGenius

Quote from: theaardvark on June 14, 2024, 08:36:47 PMI take exception to "number of DB's shown the door".  $SMS hamstrings a GM when other teams have money to spend and a hole to fill. 

We did show the door to Rose.  And another team has decided he may not be totally washed up.  I bet Rose would have signed for ELC, too, as he almost certainly is ELC on a PR right now.
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theaardvark

Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 14, 2024, 11:57:43 PMWe did show the door to Rose.  And another team has decided he may not be totally washed up.  I bet Rose would have signed for ELC, too, as he almost certainly is ELC on a PR right now.

Rose is on OTT PR, not roster.  Bringing him in for a look see for a couple grand was obviously worthwhile for Burke. 

We had all the opportunity to bring him back, sure, but Younger and Hall obviously dod not think he was necessary, and even though he signed on the PR in OTT, we have no idea what his ask would have been here, if it was discussed at all.  Not sure if his injury/play was the only reason for not bringing him back. Healthy scratch for the WDF and GC...
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