Mike O'Shea / Walters has let this team/fans down

Started by boscoe, June 07, 2024, 05:39:38 AM

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boscoe


Remember O'Shea prior to Collaros? How stubborn he was and all the mistakes fans called him out for. Collaros made everything better and suddenly O'Shea was the next legendary CFL coach.

2 Grey Cup losses that should be put on the coaching staff once again failed to prepare this team for the season opener on national television and a rematch game.

Not playing players in preseason was epic failure.

Walters and his staff did not bring in 1 quality new player. NOT a 1.

Walters free agency was a disaster. Losing Grant is unacceptable. You do not find talent like that on the street and now after game 1 you can say the game turned on his replacements mistake.

Back to the coaches..... They had zero answer to the Alouettes combo defense. They stormed the run and dropped guys into space deep which forced Collaros to throw short all game long. The coaches not a one time properly adjusted their game plan, and once again just showed up with an attitude that they are good enough to overcome in-game issues. They just think magically it will turn around. Why? cause the hope is what saved the personnel 4 yrs ago.

This has 8-10 record all over the season and could get really ugly fast.


TecnoGenius

Harsh, but I agree with basically everything, except your first sentence.  (MOS was on the way to winning cups even before Zach.  I still maintain Nichols would have done it in 2019.)

It's clear we don't do nearly enough prep or per-team gaming, and it's clear the other top teams who come here do.  MTL came with a specific plan to beat just us.  Funnily enough, it looked nearly identical to the GC plan... hitch screens, giving Cody wide open flats to scramble, and being a ballhawk D.

We mozy in and just try to do normal Bomber ball.  Ya ok, I saw 2 plays I'd consider "new" on O, though one might have just been a mistake.  We have this whole off-season and this is all we come up with?

Does no one read the forum?  I've been screaming since the GC you can't underthrow or feather them in on this MTL D.  You just can't.  They hawk in front of all deep routes.  You need to go over their heads.  That Zach EZ INT is near identical to the GC one, and it's inexusable.  That should be thrown behind every one and let our guys make a circus grab.

Ya, Kenny tried in Q1, but just because he whiffed doesn't mean you abandon the idea.  Did you notice how even with the Kenny whiff, there was no one behind him to INT it?

As you said, the PS was completely wasted.  We try out a zillion "bad scouting" non-finds for nothing.  Our huge need: OL, found no one.  KR Mitchell should have been fired after PS2 like I said when he showed precisely what would happen in week 1.

I'm looking at the roster and it's basically Bonds who is the only PS IMP try-out who stuck?  Good for him, and he might be a keeper, though he did get burned tonight.  But we have such need at so many positions, and this is all we get on our AR after the wasted PS?  Are we Chris Jones?

We start so many NATs and DPs we should have just signed those guys right away and used PS to gel the expected starters, like CGY did in both PS games.

So Walters & scouts let us down.  We drank the hopium going into week 1, but the nagging fears are being realized.

Maybe spending your whole wad on QB/RB/WR is not the key to success?  Are we now EDM 2022?  Best receivers all on one team that can't win a single game?  How we laughed at them... Did we not see how having no OL means your WRs can't get the ball?

As to coaches, like you said: just like the GC, our O rarely could get going, and when they did get a good drive they fell into the MTL trap, which we all saw coming, of shutting the door on scoring.  You can't run the same bloody sequence of plays at the same exact place on the field and not expect the D to see it coming!  We don't take any shots until we get to our "take shots" area and then we are surprised when they pass-rush us to oblivion and ball-hawk with extra defenders playing the mid-game!

Don't get me started on execution.  For everyone's sake we need to hope it's just rust.  Our QB/RB/WRs are unchanged from '23 save for 1 WR.  Every single one took a turn sucking.  Especially Zach.  That much money on those guys cannot have this result.  You can't even blame the revamped OL as they did OK-ish!  Zach was underthrowing most of the night, against the don't-underthrow-on-us team.  (Except for the 2 overthrows in Q1.)

Holy moses, we couldn't even complete a hitch screen!  Talk about insult to injury: the 100% success go-to play that MTL/Cody uses to get cheap yards (and used a lot this game), we couldn't even get a completion?  Oh the irony.

The D was horrifically bad, so that should put to rest the idea that starting 832 NATs is a good idea.  Ok, we did stop the Cody hitch screen twice I think.  I'm proud of them for that.  But then they whiffed on 3 or 5 more of them.

Did Jefferson get a stat?!  Oh wow, look, a game where Jeffcoat is out Jefferson gets nothing.  Shocked-pikachu-face.jpg.  Oh look, Jeffcoat will be out all year because we told him to pound sand!  Anyone liking our pressure package??  Cody had all. night. long. nearly every passing play.  Just sitting back taking his pick of long routes.  Probably singing showtunes to himself to pass the time, when he's not laughing at the joke that is our DL.

Now compare that to the pressure MTL got on Zach...

And don't get me started on Castillo...

Everyone's heads were in the clouds, players and coaches.  The only ones I noticed doing anything were Cole, Haba, and, ironically, the least-paid WR on the AR: Wilson.

If I'm KW I'm cutting some duds and taking that and the Grant savings and hiring some real players at key positions.  But I'm not, and he won't.  So the best we can hope for is that MOS chewed these guys a new one post-game, and continue to do so on cycle day 1.  Cutesy time is over.

I predicted that whoever loses this game will have a real bad 1st 6 games... well, that's us.  Besides OTT, not sure who we will beat early on.  Heck, OTT likely lights us up too, as they won't be nearly as bad as last year.
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TecnoGenius

You know what?  I left PAS feeling just like I used to after most every game in 2013-2014.  You know that feeling, when your guys didn't really have a chance, but you still hoped they might win.  When you'd have a FG and a safety at halftime.  When the other team would move the ball at will and we'd struggle just to get a first down?  When the QB was throwing into the turf and the WRs were Helen Keller?  When going into the 4th the math said you had a slim chance, and then the opponent would drive the stake into your heart with a dumb flea-flicker while your DBs had no clue what was going on?

Ya, that feeling.  We haven't had to face that in a loooong time.  Even when BC came in and beat us up in 2023 I didn't get that feeling.

Ten years ago it was BLM and Lulay and Reilly doing that to us.  Now we have to relive it thanks to never-HoFer Cody??  Ugh, in some ways this is waaay worse.  Very sad.
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ichabod_crane

I will disagree on one point. Nichols would have NEVER won a cup for the Bombers. Nickel and diming goes nowhere in the end. See Sask for many years. Make playoffs, but not the kill shot to win the big one.

2018 western final in Calgary a case  in point. I was at that game and could sense bombers were going to lose as Nichols could not hit a deep shot for the life of him to Darvin Adams. Collaros comes in and Darvin gets the back breaker deep shots two years in a row.

TecnoGenius

I won't turn this into a Matt Nichols thread (but would love to expound on it in a fresh thread!) but our team could have used a lot more nickel & diming tonight.  Most every mid/deep shot tonight was a wasted shot.  It's just the way MTL plays, and we could have found ways to capitalize if our coordinators wanted to actually stay late and do some thinking/planning.  Only had 7 months to do it...

If we dinked & dunked more in this game we likely win.  (Same with the GC.)
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ichabod_crane

#5
We will agree to disagree on this point. Not saying having a mixed offence is wrong, but you need some back breaker shots in some games. A lot of emotion involved and momentum swings. Having a full slate of weapons is better than relying on nickel and diming mainly. Ask any Sask fan how that turned out for them for many years.

One caveat to this. If you have a very very very good defence you can win with a mediocre offence. Bombers in 1988 were like this. Chicago bears in 1985. Baltimore ravens in their first Super Bowl. Probably close to the worst offence in nfl that year! Trent Dilfer never scared anyone as a qb! Low turnovers and decent running attack and a good kicker.  Baltimore Defence was lights out that year like a buzz saw that could not be overcome.

TecnoGenius

I'll give full credit to MOS for saying in his post-game:

"I don't know that I had them prepared well enough for this one"

"coulda done a better job gettin them ready"

https://www.bluebombers.com/2024/06/06/coach-oshea-june-6-2/

Bingo MOS.  I'm sure he silently means all the other coaches/coords too.

But he is digging in on saying it's ok if the starters don't play the PS.

Hey, where is MOS's dinged-up cap?  He was wearing a camo cap in this presser, and so I'll assume during the game.  There's our problem!  He ditched the lucky cap that "came with the rip"!   ;D  ;D  :D  :D  :o  8)
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ichabod_crane

In the Manitoba mafia we trust! 😂 they better show up by next game though or things will get wild in the Peg! Jets limping out of the playoffs like a wounded animal was bad enough, but bombers sucking two games in a row would get even me thinking there is trouble in Mudville! Even the mighty Casey might not lift them out of their funk if that happens! 🤪

LXTSN

This is a MAJOR overreaction, and I really hope you're trolling lol

Most of the players on the offensive side of the ball didn't play in the preseason. I think they fix that for future seasons.
We are going to have to win some these first 4-5 weeks ugly and that's okay! If we start the season 3-2, I would be happy with that. It just takes a little while to get the ball rolling.

My worry-level is at a 1/10 right now.

Sir Blue and Gold

#9
Let the fans down?

We're 36-5 in our last 41 home games. There's not a team in any professional sport who wouldn't sign up for that.

Blue In BC

I didn't realize that the balls are chipped in 2024 and all the kickers hate them. It's impacting accuracy according to Castillo.
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Waffler

Over reaction, yeah, but only a bit. Also you forgot Sheahan, I've never thought he was good enough.

Soft training camp for the vets, an annual Grey Cup trip equals this team mailing it in, coaches included. Just seems like the team needs a big shake up but that would be the anti-MOS thing to do.
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Sir Blue and Gold

Quote from: Waffler on June 07, 2024, 01:01:50 PMOver reaction, yeah, but only a bit. Also you forgot Sheahan, I've never thought he was good enough.

Soft training camp for the vets, an annual Grey Cup trip equals this team mailing it in, coaches included. Just seems like the team needs a big shake up but that would be the anti-MOS thing to do.

A big shake up?

We've got a new special teams coach.
We've got a new defensive coordinator.
We've got 12 players on the roster who played their first games yesterday which is the most "shake-up" since 2019 (and is 26% of the roster).

You would like more change? Or you want O'Shea to make the players run the stadium steps before each practice?

Waffler

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 07, 2024, 01:30:18 PMA big shake up?

We've got a new special teams coach.
We've got a new defensive coordinator.
We've got 12 players on the roster who played their first games yesterday which is the most "shake-up" since 2019 (and is 26% of the roster).

You would like more change? Or you want O'Shea to make the players run the stadium steps before each practice?

I agree with you 100%. Lots new.  But you could argue that the coaching changes are all in house promotions and just more of the same. Does it bring new energy or view points? In hockey for example, you'd fire the coach and the team would go on a tear on be in the Stanley Cup. NOT suggesting that here.

The new players we had forced on us but no one took a job from a vet.

So yes, we have changed but as far as a big shake up here the last one was the trade for Zach.

In contrast, Montreal. Fired Khari 2 years ago, signed Lemon and Sankey last year. They take big swings to use a baseball analogy.
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blue_gold_84

It's one game. Granted it was a lousy performance but it's still one game.

What a silly, pointless thread.
#forthew
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BomberFan73

Quote from: blue_gold_84 on June 07, 2024, 01:50:46 PMIt's one game. Granted it was a lousy performance but it's still one game.

What a silly, pointless thread.

Agree.  We'll know more about this team during the next few weeks.
Panicking now is a little over the top.

bluengold204

Quote from: Blue In BC on June 07, 2024, 12:45:35 PMI didn't realize that the balls are chipped in 2024 and all the kickers hate them. It's impacting accuracy according to Castillo.

Tbh that just sounds like an excuse for being a terrible athlete

Blue In BC

Quote from: bluengold204 on June 07, 2024, 02:54:26 PMTbh that just sounds like an excuse for being a terrible athlete

The article stated the USFL did the same thing in 2021 and eliminated them after 2 games due to same issues.

It also said all CFL kickers have complained. Whether that is entirely accurate I don't know. The Als kicker also missed a convert, so he had issues as well.

Is it impacting punting placement as well? Watching a few more games and we'll see what's what.

Castillo has been very consistent in his career. I'd take his opinion as valid.
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BomberFan73

I think kickers are very particular, and even a slightest change in the ball would affect how they think about kicking it.

Sir Blue and Gold

I don't really understand what kind of data they are getting from the chips on a field goal anyway? The technology has existed for a ton of years to determine how far a kick would sail or how far it would have been good from without using a chip. Velocity? Force? Like what is it? And why would anyone care?


Waffler

I would love to get a look at the chip, see how heavy and big it is. Where in the ball they place it? They say beside the laces which is odd because it would throw off the balance. This is why pitchers have been putting "foreign substance" on the ball since the sport began, it doesn't take much to make an otherwise balanced ball move.
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Waffler

Okay. I googled. the one the NFL uses is 3.3 grams and is the size of a nickel.
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kkc60

I think it's early, but going into this season the holes on this team were mostly clear: Receiver (Baileys spot), Corner, Returner, Tackle and DL. Of those spots, only tackle and DL appear to have some sort of answer. Ford got beat up on, Mitchell struggled returning punts, Wilson didn't do much of anything. Not a great look when holes the team has had all offseason don't really appear to be adequately filled

blue_gold_84

Quote from: bluengold204 on June 07, 2024, 02:54:26 PMTbh that just sounds like an excuse for being a terrible athlete

Yeah, that Sergio Castillo is quite the terrible athlete.

/s
#forthew
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BBRT

Quote from: blue_gold_84 on June 07, 2024, 01:50:46 PMIt's one game. Granted it was a lousy performance but it's still one game.

What a silly, pointless thread.

Yeah sort of have to agree - let's see how the season progresses. No need to jump off the bridge just yet. Maybe at the half way mark if we have not see any improvement then might take a walk to the Louise Bridge (is it still there)? ;D

bwiser

Quote from: blue_gold_84 on June 07, 2024, 01:50:46 PMIt's one game. Granted it was a lousy performance but it's still one game.

What a silly, pointless thread.
I agree. Its easy to over react to a poor performance like the one last night but no pre season work and losing Lawler early didn't help. If we see another poor performance against Ottawa then we have something to worry about.

Foxhound

#26
The Alouettes were quite simply much better prepared to play Thursday evening than were the Blue Bombers. Case closed. This of course was very curious since anyone would have thought the Blue Bombers had all the motivation they needed to get revenge after last year's heartbreaking loss in the Grey Cup Game.

But the Bombers now have a week to get ready for their next outing. They better be ready.

 :-\
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CrazyCanuck89

Quote from: kkc60 on June 07, 2024, 04:14:42 PMI think it's early, but going into this season the holes on this team were mostly clear: Receiver (Baileys spot), Corner, Returner, Tackle and DL. Of those spots, only tackle and DL appear to have some sort of answer. Ford got beat up on, Mitchell struggled returning punts, Wilson didn't do much of anything. Not a great look when holes the team has had all offseason don't really appear to be adequately filled

You can't really call CB a hole yet.  Ford was in his second start and the other guy is a rookie.

blue_or_die

Can we trash this thread and raise it after ~5 games if it keeps going the same way?

Zero argument from me that the game was TERRIBLE and our preseason plan was really poor (playing new guys lots is great; not giving your vet starters a chance to gel and shake the rust off is a bad idea and ignores a big part of the reason we have preseason games), but at the end of the day it was one game, consisted of a ton of new guys, a bunch of key starters in the tub, two rookie coordinators, and a computer chip in the football.

Terrible, horrible game, but a single game nonetheless. If we fail to shake the rust off and play like we are used to, we can flush this and move on. If we don't, then we can break out the pitchforks. But this regime has earned a mulligan or five.
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Waffler

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Pete

#31
The main beef i have with OShea/Walters is their refusal to bring anyone else in from another team to help fill our holes. We have a number of openings and we get is Loften. Last year we begged Walters to bring in Lemon and he signs with Montreal. (and we know how that turned out)
 We should try to sign Chandler Worthy immediately, and also look at Titus Wall, Mason FIne or Tevin Jones if Lawler is injured for any time.
 Your right the amount of rookies we brought in demonstrated quantity over quality at the db and wr positions. I will say both dt/end Adams and Woods look like keepers.
 We simply aren't good enough to just play bomber football and not scheme to take advantage of other teams weaknesses.

dd

Quote from: Pete on June 07, 2024, 10:02:47 PMThe main beef i have with OShea/Walters is their refusal to bring anyone else in from another team to help fill our holes. We have a number of openings and we get is Loften. Last year we begged Walters to bring in Lemon and he signs with Montreal. (and we know how that turned out)
 We should try to sign Chandler Worthy immediately, and also look at Titus Wall, Mason FIne or Tevin Jones if Lawler is injured for any time.
 Your right the amount of rookies we brought in demonstrated quantity over quality at the db and wr positions. I will say both dt/end Adams and Woods look like keepers.
I agree 100% on this. Its almost like they're too proud to pickup someone else's cast off.

Well Chandler Worthy is a ton better than anything we have currently fielding punts and kicks, and its killing our field position game.

And roll things back to the tail end of last season...Biggie is hurt, why not bring in Sankey??? can you imagine what our defense would look like with him in the lineup?? Well he looks pretty darn good in an Alouettes uniform!!! Total stud out there. And when Biggie comes back from injury and we can't afford both, you can always trade what you don't need, there was no downside to this move, but we didn't make it and it cost us a Grey Cup.

And the preparation for this season opener, yikes, don't even go there. We were lost out there last night, definitely pre season form on the vets and that falls squarely on the shoulders of the coaches.

DM83

One game.  Sure.  However stinky trend.
Ford! Yikes.
No deep threats? 
Bombers beat themselves.  Montreal just played basic fundamental football.
Bombers will and are having problems.
Nice flea flicker
Anyone watch numerous Bombers players giving little effort pursuing plays.  That's always a tell-tale sign, people do not care, are out of shape, and the team is lazy.

Whatever.  The team looked like it was playing an exhibition game.
Certainly not worth paying to see.  ( but I discovered 10% beer two weeks ago)

Waffler

Quote from: DM83 on June 07, 2024, 10:18:59 PMThat's always a tell-tale sign, people do not care, are out of shape, and the team is lazy.

I wouldn't say lazy at all. What I fear is over confidence, feeling too safe and system stagnation.
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Blueforlife

#35
Classic knee jerk reaction to a club that fell on their face but will get back up again, seen this story before.

Brutal game but let's take a breath and see what we got before we get too worried.

Losing Lawler will hurt bad.


Jesse

Quote from: Pete on June 07, 2024, 10:02:47 PMThe main beef i have with OShea/Walters is their refusal to bring anyone else in from another team to help fill our holes. We have a number of openings and we get is Loften. Last year we begged Walters to bring in Lemon and he signs with Montreal. (and we know how that turned out)
 We should try to sign Chandler Worthy immediately, and also look at Titus Wall, Mason FIne or Tevin Jones if Lawler is injured for any time.
 Your right the amount of rookies we brought in demonstrated quantity over quality at the db and wr positions. I will say both dt/end Adams and Woods look like keepers.
 We simply aren't good enough to just play bomber football and not scheme to take advantage of other teams weaknesses.

Many of our core come from other teams. The "problem" is our success. This group has been so successful together that we've essentially have said they have earned the right to run it back. But in order to keep this group together, it's made it difficult to sign vets to augment when we're already going over the cap.
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dd

#37
Quote from: Blueforlife on June 07, 2024, 11:10:27 PMClassic knee jerk reaction to a club that fell on their face but will get back up again, seen this story before.

Brutal game but let's take a breath and see what we got before we get too worried.

Losing Lawler will hurt bad.


It's not knee jerk. Fans are free to voice their thoughts on the game and not everybody sees the game the way you do nor should they be expected to.

The fact is the bombers are paying certain players an absolute boat load of money to perform, so with that comes the expectation of performance, which we didn't get. So everybody has the right to be upset. Our so called MOP Qb and high priced receiver(s) got schooled by a Qb castoff and a kid just barely out of college.

We have kickers complaining about chips in the football throwing them off, yet the chip didn't seem to affect Montreal's kicking game. Absolutely Embarrassing, and the bombers collectively as a group should be ashamed of themselves. And with the injuries we have to key players such as Lawler and biggie, this group is going to struggle until they come back. I fully expect nothing better than a 3-3 record in the 6 games these guys are going to be out. Will be pleasantly surprised if they fair better, but won't be ranting when they don't. They don't have the horses to pull the cart.

Blueforlife

#38
Quote from: dd on June 08, 2024, 12:46:25 AMIt's not knee jerk. Fans are free to voice their thoughts on the game and not everybody sees the game the way you do nor should they be expected to.

The fact is the bombers are paying certain players an absolute boat load of money to perform, so with that comes the expectation of performance, which we didn't get. So everybody has the right to be upset. Our so called MOP Qb and high priced receiver(s) got schooled by a Qb castoff and a kid just barely out of college.

We have kickers complaining about chips in the football throwing them off, yet the chip didn't seem to affect Montreal's kicking game. Absolutely Embarrassing, and the bombers collectively as a group should be ashamed of themselves. And with the injuries we have to key players such as Lawler and biggie, this group is going to struggle until they come back. I fully expect nothing better than a 3-3 record in the 6 games these guys are going to be out. Will be pleasantly surprised if they fair better, but won't be ranting when they don't. They don't have the horses to pull the cart.

We can agree to disagree, we are seeing this differently and that's OK, not looking for an argument here.  Yup we all entitled to our opinion, which keeps this place balanced.  Seen this story before after a bad game or difficult stretch.  I take the long view, I like to watch for months not days before I judge a team.

I  disagree strongly about you calling out the best QB in the league and a stellar group of receivers.  A bad game, that's it and a bad injury.  I expect about the same record as you to start.  Maybe one more win.  Our offense is our strength and played bad.  It happens and Montreal D is stellar.  Imo you and others are over stating our weakness and you are not giving enough props to Montreal club that is pretty good and played exceptional.

I knew this year it would a challenge on the forum as soon as we show any weakness, many pile on.  This was extremely evident on here a number of years ago pre dynasty run.  I'll do me others can do them, that ok, Ying and yang.

dd

Our Qb and receivers are professionals, they get paid to perform, went you don't  perform, expect some heat especially when you're pulling down $600k. That's the nature of any professional athlete, you get paid the exorvinate bucks that the rest of the team has to adjust and make concessions for, you better put up the numbers, score goals, hit homer runs, or whatever it is that is expected from you.

And this is not one game. ZC hardly played lights out in last year's grey. Up, in fact, he struggled there too. I am seeing a trend here and it's heading in the wrong direction.

And I ll chill out on the receivers, they can only catch what's thrown to them and the pass to Lawler and schoen in the end zone for 12 points is what cost us the game. Beginning to wonder if we did the right th8ng letting brown go.....

Blueforlife

Quote from: dd on June 08, 2024, 03:06:29 AMOur Qb and receivers are professionals, they get paid to perform, went you don't  perform, expect some heat especially when you're pulling down $600k. That's the nature of any professional athlete, you get paid the exorvinate bucks that the rest of the team has to adjust and make concessions for, you better put up the numbers, score goals, hit homer runs, or whatever it is that is expected from you.

And this is not one game. ZC hardly played lights out in last year's grey. Up, in fact, he struggled there too. I am seeing a trend here and it's heading in the wrong direction.

And I ll chill out on the receivers, they can only catch what's thrown to them and the pass to Lawler and schoen in the end zone for 12 points is what cost us the game. Beginning to wonder if we did the right th8ng letting brown go.....
Zach, Lawler and Schoen are some of the best players in the league and yes they need to consistently produce but they also will have bad games.  Zach has had a few bad games but his time as Bomber has been mostly exceptional.  I believe you are strong overstating the negative here.  Losing Brown was unfortunate but a necessity due to cap issues.  I loved Brown but a scenario to keep him was far fetched.

I seen no trend on Zach just a few normal bumps in the road.

TecnoGenius

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TecnoGenius

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 07, 2024, 01:30:18 PMYou would like more change? Or you want O'Shea to make the players run the stadium steps before each practice?

Might have helped stumblin' Brady in week 1!  Not my words even: MOS said similar in the post-game about Brady's wobbly footwork possibly being helped by practice/TC.

So ya, 10 laps up and down the 100-level for every skill player!  Stat!
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TecnoGenius

Quote from: kkc60 on June 07, 2024, 04:14:42 PMWilson didn't do much of anything. Not a great look when holes the team has had all offseason don't really appear to be adequately filled

Wilson did have a solid short catch near the end.  He had very solid hands and perfect technique and then tried to move it up field.  I remember it because I was thinking as it was leaving Zach's hands that "better not drop it" like Demski et al did most of the night on those short passes.

Maybe we should have looked his way sooner.  I bet MTL wasn't given him much coverage.
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ichabod_crane

Quote from: Blue In BC on June 07, 2024, 03:03:27 PMThe article stated the USFL did the same thing in 2021 and eliminated them after 2 games due to same issues.

It also said all CFL kickers have complained. Whether that is entirely accurate I don't know. The Als kicker also missed a convert, so he had issues as well.

Is it impacting punting placement as well? Watching a few more games and we'll see what's what.

Castillo has been very consistent in his career. I'd take his opinion as valid.

WHO EXACTLY was demanding more data on kicked balls? First I ever heard of this and I could care less! WATCH THE VIDEO people! What more do you need unless the betting biz is dealing with how long actual kicks/punts are? Overload and I don't watch the CFL/NFL/NHL or ANY Sport for the gambling. Sometimes buy Grey Cup pool tickets for fund raisers, but that's about it. Could care less about the gambling aspect outside laughing when people eventually lose money to the house like in Las Vegas. A sucker is born every minute....although I dabble in Lotto 6/49 & Lotto Max every once in a while as taking a long shot for mega millions is a nice dream to have!! :D

I have a love of sport and competition and rivalries. Nothing else I need to motivate me to watch the games. Athletes representing Canada in any international hockey/basketball/soccer competition, Olympics, downhill skiing, etc, I am pulling for those athletes. A stupid bet is the last thing on my mind. Maybe related to mobile phone addictions too. Getting a buzz from the betting "Win" the few times it happens! :D

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Quote from: dd on June 08, 2024, 12:46:25 AMIt's not knee jerk.

It's the definition of knee-jerk. It's one game.

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Quote from: dd on June 07, 2024, 10:09:08 PMWell Chandler Worthy is a ton better than anything we have currently fielding punts and kicks, and its killing our field position game.

Chandler Worthy is also a very good receiver. I've had him in my Fantasy lineup when he was with the Argonauts. I remember that the last time was when the Argos were playing two games in one week and he got me a bundle of points in the first game. I was rubbing my hands with glee and then he wasn't dressed for the second game! Groan.

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blueraid

Injuries starting to pile up and at a time when we can ill afford it....Garbutt
now Kelly ouch...Besides that there is something definitely missing with this club so far this year....Nobody is driving off the ball like we used to ....the offence looks unco-ordinated ....and we have definite obvious holes in the D.....The least this management could do is bring in a credible return man after letting one walk....Worthy is definitely out there and if no attempt is made to at least have a look at him, then we are in a lot more trouble than first thought...Hanging on to a player like Chris Smith (unproven) when there is a viable option out there is not good management....Starting deep in our end kick after kick after kick all game is not a recipe for success

pdirks67

It's Game 1 of 18. The defence, surprisingly, looked serviceable. Collaros looked like he had a heavy layer of offseason rust - the WD40 will be applied this week and he will look better against Ottawa.

The part of the team I had the most confidence in - our offensive skill players - did nothing. They'll improve.

If we play like this in Games 2-6, we've got a major problem. Until then, I trust the Manitoba Mafia to clean things up.

Blue In BC

Quote from: pdirks67 on June 09, 2024, 05:03:38 PMIt's Game 1 of 18. The defence, surprisingly, looked serviceable. Collaros looked like he had a heavy layer of offseason rust - the WD40 will be applied this week and he will look better against Ottawa.

The part of the team I had the most confidence in - our offensive skill players - did nothing. They'll improve.

If we play like this in Games 2-6, we've got a major problem. Until then, I trust the Manitoba Mafia to clean things up.

Our veterans still nearly no reps in pre season. A few were also very limited in pre season. You made some valid points about what it looks like going forward.

I'm more concerned about injuries at this point. However we'll see if Bighil gets activate and how that impacts the game. Losing Lawler right off the bat is unfortunate but other teams have similar issues.

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4 losses in a row is not the definition of kneejerk, but I agree, far too early to start calling for Walters and OShea's heads.

It is time for a win, for sure.  Ottawa should be prime for the picking.  Season opening bye, new QB, lots of new faces, and a severely PO'd Bomber team coming into town.

I'll take the Bombers
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peg_city

I wonder how BC feels giving up 35 points to a back up quaterback.

And they are the analysts pick to win the Grey Cup.

ichabod_crane

Argo's Dukes looked half decent in the game in Winnipeg last year when they sat Kelly. He has some tools for sure. Kelly may be out of a job by the time he gets reinstated! From MOP to the outhouse! ;)

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Quote from: theaardvark on June 10, 2024, 06:35:33 PM4 losses in a row is not the definition of kneejerk, but I agree, far too early to start calling for Walters and OShea's heads.

It is time for a win, for sure.  Ottawa should be prime for the picking.  Season opening bye, new QB, lots of new faces, and a severely PO'd Bomber team coming into town.

I'll take the Bombers

It's a new season, 1 loss and this panic thread and some of its responses are the definition of knee jerk.

Blue In BC

Quote from: theaardvark on June 10, 2024, 06:35:33 PM4 losses in a row is not the definition of kneejerk, but I agree, far too early to start calling for Walters and OShea's heads.

It is time for a win, for sure.  Ottawa should be prime for the picking.  Season opening bye, new QB, lots of new faces, and a severely PO'd Bomber team coming into town.

I'll take the Bombers


 2 of the losses were pre-season games that our veterans didn't play. Winning in pre season is not the goal used to evaluate the season.
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