Mock Drafts

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Pete

Quote from: Blue In BC on April 01, 2024, 10:05:51 PMLots of reasons potentially. SMS available at the moment. A player that is willing to extend or re-sign is always up for a question.

If Dobson wins a starting spot on the OL or plays a significant time this year and does well, his value could go up heading to free agency etc.

We may draft a better candidate on an ELC. Rosters are fluid and choices are made across the spectrum.

You said Jones. Did you mean Ford? He may opt for another NFL shot next off season. He decide to move to Edmonton  and play with his brother.


yep..(fixed it, thanks). with ford all the more reason to see where he stands... i wonder if there's  a possibility we could trade him to the elks now? It might help them in resigning tre ford.
Maybe for their number 1 pick and throw in one of our 2nd round pics.
As far as resigning Dobson it would likely be a lot cheaper than if we wait and he has a great year with the opportunity now Grey is gone

TecnoGenius

Quote from: theaardvark on March 31, 2024, 02:36:16 AMThat rule doers not apply if you are starting more than the required 7 NATS

If you specify that you are starting 5 Nats on O and 2 on D, and you actually start 6 NATs on O and one NAT goes down, you can bring in a DA, because you are still playing 5 NATs on O. 

We all think that, and it stands to reason, but I'm not sure I've ever seen it in writing in a CFL rulebook.  Does anyone have the ratio rulebook link handy again?  Ratio stuff is not in the main rulebook... which I find... odd.

The latest ratio update dictating the DNA/DNS rules clearly states a DA (nee DI) can only ever sub in for an IMP.  (Special DNA/DNS/DA rules notwithstanding.)
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Blue In BC

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Quote from: Pete on April 02, 2024, 12:15:36 AMyep..(fixed it, thanks). with ford all the more reason to see where he stands... i wonder if there's  a possibility we could trade him to the elks now? It might help them in resigning tre ford.
Maybe for their number 1 pick and throw in one of our 2nd round pics.
As far as resigning Dobson it would likely be a lot cheaper than if we wait and he has a great year with the opportunity now Grey is gone


The team may have an idea where Ford stands on extending or re-signing for 2025. They may also have an idea whether he has a legit chance of starting in 2024.

I wouldn't rule out the trade you suggested but it depends on a bunch of variables.

A starting Canadian DB is like a starting Canadian RB. It's a huge bonus but falls into more of an exception than the rule.

OTOH, starting Canadian OL are a necessity. Will Neufeld or Dobson be Bombers in 2025? Age and SMS hits make that uncertain.

I get that re-signing Dobson would be less expensive re-signing him now. Dobson knows that too. For what it's worth he was born in Ottawa. I'd be happy if we do re-sign him early.

So IMO we need to have success in the 2024 draft regarding an OL. Does that mean trying to move up by means of a trade? IDK. We have more Canadian DB's coming to camp than usual. Josh Hallett, Kelly, MacDougall, McCarthy and Ford.

We aren't really sure how good any of them are besides Ford. We expect Nick Hallett and Kramdi to be locks to make the AR.  Ford should be a lock to at least make the AR. Hard to say how many of the other group fill out the roster.

How much interest do the Bombers have in the 1st pick and what would they give up to get it. Interesting question but I doubt it happens. I see a better chance that we move up to # 3 - # 5 for example, but that's just speculation on my part.
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theaardvark

What is really humorous is that this is the CFL.  And these are NAT players.  As compared to the likes of the NBA, the NFL or even the NHL, these potential draft picks are rather unknown quantities.  And the teams picking are utilizing a handful of scouts, most of whom have never seen the majority of these players live.

So, doing a mock draft, even of the first round, is purely conjecture and for entertainment purposes only.

Glancing at the mock drafts out there, where the NHL/NFL and NBA have a consensus group of players for the first round, with the top few players usually written in stone, its hard to find 2 CFL mocks that have any commonality in the first round.

But that's the CFL offseason for ya.

Good on the people that take the time and effort to put together a mock for our entertainment.  Who actually go through some of the scouting, and the combines. 

I'd say, making a perfect CFL round 1 mock is probably harder than a perfect first round in March Madness. 

But people still put together brackets in March...
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Blue In BC

The conversations are always interesting. We could use players just about anywhere from a position point of view. OL, DL and receiver in particular. I don't particularly see us drafting a DB or LB, but you can never say never.

Part of the equation is what does management think about a few of our back ups. IDK and we don't know so that's the question to start.

The draft seems top heavy with OL and we could use more depth for the future. So I predict on that basis we choose an OL with our 1st choice. After that I have no idea. Just looking forward to how this works out.
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TecnoGenius

Quote from: Pigskin on April 12, 2024, 07:11:21 PMFor the most part I like what Marshall is thinking. But, I am not sure I would go with with 2 DLs in our first 4 picks.

But this mock does correspond somewhat to our theories here, at least the "positional need" theories.

1 OL is the bare minimum we need after losing 1 NAT / 1 IMP OL.  We could make it work if we feel secure in both our current talent level and our retention program for next FA.  But 2 OL wouldn't be a surprise either.

1 WR also makes sense as we have just who-dat Murphy to backup both Demski & Woli, eh?

2 DL... well, what else do we want?  If we have no clue as to the empty-spot DT plan and DE plan... hedge our bets by having some decent DL DP in house on 2-year ELC?  Could be the next Fatboi or Kongbo in there.
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Blue In BC

Quote from: TecnoGenius on April 14, 2024, 09:10:44 AMBut this mock does correspond somewhat to our theories here, at least the "positional need" theories.

1 OL is the bare minimum we need after losing 1 NAT / 1 IMP OL.  We could make it work if we feel secure in both our current talent level and our retention program for next FA.  But 2 OL wouldn't be a surprise either.

1 WR also makes sense as we have just who-dat Murphy to backup both Demski & Woli, eh?

2 DL... well, what else do we want?  If we have no clue as to the empty-spot DT plan and DE plan... hedge our bets by having some decent DL DP in house on 2-year ELC?  Could be the next Fatboi or Kongbo in there.


I agree. The fly in the ointment is whether we are secure in our current talent and retention for the future. That's going to be the same every year. As I mentioned earlier, we've lost 23 players that were either on the AR or PR. I don't find that particularly unusual for any team.

I think Eli and Dobson can be quality players but I'm not clear on when their contracts expire. On defence it's not unreasonable to think players like Thomas, Gauthier and Benson might be in their last season.

It's a balanced decision as to developing players and having enough SMS left to go out and " buy " a player in free agency to fill in the necessities.

Bombers have managed to succeed on achieving that balance.

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Pigskin

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I think we probably take OL Hergel at #8. REC, Duncan-Busby at #17, but then I would like to see the Bombers take MLB 6'3" 240, Nick Wiebe at #20.
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Pete

Hergel will probably get a good look in the nfl, Duncan Busby might be a good choice at 8, no way he lasts til 17th. Id like to see us get one of Sambu/Hergott/Brubacher at 18 then either Clerius (WR) or another ol at 20

dizzycamper

Quote from: Pete on April 15, 2024, 11:14:32 PMHergel will probably get a good look in the nfl, Duncan Busby might be a good choice at 8, no way he lasts til 17th. Id like to see us get one of Sambu/Hergott/Brubacher at 18 then either Clerius (WR) or another ol at 20

Believe we should go for one of the edge guys @ 8 (Brubacher, Hergott or Okpoko), then O-Line @ 17 (roster guy for 2024) and a receiver @ 20 (there will be some good receivers here i.e. his father was a running back for us at one time or the other Laval receiver).

theaardvark

I think that all things being equal, we need to draft at positions we already start a NAT at.  Keeping continuity of NAT talent at those positions lets us develop the best INT players at other positions.

But if there is a glaringly superior player available, I don't care his position or NFL opportunities, draft him.  I think this is more likely deeper in teh draft as guys with NFL opportunities are passed over, and with the number of starting NATs we already have, and the number of picks we have, we can invest in these flyers.

I don't want to use 8 and 17 as flyers, I'd like an OL, a WR and/or a DL at those spots.  But after that, game on.
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Throw Long Bannatyne

Quote from: theaardvark on April 12, 2024, 08:09:17 PMWhat is really humorous is that this is the CFL.  And these are NAT players.  As compared to the likes of the NBA, the NFL or even the NHL, these potential draft picks are rather unknown quantities.  And the teams picking are utilizing a handful of scouts, most of whom have never seen the majority of these players live.

So, doing a mock draft, even of the first round, is purely conjecture and for entertainment purposes only.

Glancing at the mock drafts out there, where the NHL/NFL and NBA have a consensus group of players for the first round, with the top few players usually written in stone, its hard to find 2 CFL mocks that have any commonality in the first round.

But that's the CFL offseason for ya.

Good on the people that take the time and effort to put together a mock for our entertainment.  Who actually go through some of the scouting, and the combines. 

I'd say, making a perfect CFL round 1 mock is probably harder than a perfect first round in March Madness. 

But people still put together brackets in March...

Don't have an opinion on players I haven't seen other than a few that showed up at the CFL Combine, but a few holdover draft picks that I thought showed good potential from last years TC and pre-season games.

Max Charbonneau LB 6'-3" 225 lbs. Could be the next Shayne Gauthier.

Bret MacDougall DB 6'-2" 205 lbs.  Good nose for the ball, might backup Kramdi.

Jake Kelly DB 5'-11" 179 lbs.  Bit light but might stick on ST.

Jeremy Murphy WR 6'-1" 191 lbs. Adequate backup to replace BOLO.

Tanner Schmekel DT 6'-1" 291 lbs. Didn't show much last season but we'll see what he's learned playing behind Jake and Lawson, in the same boat as Anthony Bennett, time to "show me".

Kind of surprised they haven't invited Cole Adamson from the U of M back, 6'-5" 265 lbs. he was switched over from DL to OL during last year's TC, that could be an indication of lack of mobility or technique.  With that size you'd think they'd want to take another look at him, like Geoff Gray he's also an engineering grad.

dizzycamper

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on April 16, 2024, 05:12:41 PMDon't have an opinion on players I haven't seen other than a few that showed up at the CFL Combine, but a few holdover draft picks that I thought showed good potential from last years TC and pre-season games.

Max Charbonneau LB 6'-3" 225 lbs. Could be the next Shayne Gauthier.

Bret MacDougall DB 6'-2" 205 lbs.  Good nose for the ball, might backup Kramdi.

Jake Kelly DB 5'-11" 179 lbs.  Bit light but might stick on ST.

Jeremy Murphy WR 6'-1" 191 lbs. Adequate backup to replace BOLO.

Tanner Schmekel DT 6'-1" 291 lbs. Didn't show much last season but we'll see what he's learned playing behind Jake and Lawson, in the same boat as Anthony Bennett, time to "show me".

Kind of surprised they haven't invited Cole Adamson from the U of M back, 6'-5" 265 lbs. he was switched over from DL to OL during last year's TC, that could be an indication of lack of mobility or technique.  With that size you'd think they'd want to take another look at him, like Geoff Gray he's also an engineering grad.

Max Charbonneau after BB training camp, went back to U of Ottawa and had himself a very good season in the OUA, attaining first team all-star status @ linebacker. Believe he should make the team, as a replacement for Briggs or Gauthier down the road.

Bret MacDougall after BB training camp last year, went back to U of Windsor and appeared in 8 games in the secondary. Nice size...

The other four that you have listed remained with the Bombers for the year. I like Murphy and Kelly and with another year on the roster, we will see how they develop into CFLer's. Bennett seen the field the most, but as a first round pick I don't know. If you see/saw my earlier comment about my selections this year, that is why. I believe a couple/few of the d-line ends that are available in this year's draft would provide more on a rotation basis, as what we saw last year. Schmekel, based on what I hear/read great character team guy, but need to see more play on the field.