Started by TecnoGenius, February 09, 2024, 05:37:52 AM
Quote from: Blue In BC on February 09, 2024, 03:34:06 PMVanterpool was 1 of 14 T's in FBS to not allow a sack in 500+ snaps. Also didn't take a penalty in 900+ snaps.Good size and is an interesting candidate. That said, it wouldn't surprise me to see Richmond back before TC if the team makes him a better contract offer. I can why he wouldn't want another ELC deal but how much would it take?
Quote from: Blue In BC on February 09, 2024, 03:34:06 PMVanterpool was 1 of 14 T's in FBS to not allow a sack in 500+ snaps. Also didn't take a penalty in 900+ snaps.
Quote from: LXTSN on February 09, 2024, 03:41:30 PMI lean towards giving Ivey the shot, however... There will need to be competition.
Quote from: theaardvark on February 09, 2024, 03:43:07 PMYou have to wonder why Richardson, who was under contract already, would choose to retire.
Quote from: theaardvark on February 09, 2024, 03:43:07 PMNo, when he agreed to that deal, Yoshi and Big Stan were not going anywhere except by injury, where Richardson would be able to come in and prove himself. He unfortunately didn't get that chance.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on February 09, 2024, 08:31:03 PMIvey (not Ivy I guess) was miles behind Richmond in development... If I/we didn't think Richmond was ready, then Ivey must certainly not be either? But I guess potential desperation can lead to unorthodox decisions?
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 09, 2024, 08:48:33 PMI remember Ivey from last pre-season and was not impressed, but who knows.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on February 09, 2024, 08:38:30 PMThere were a couple of 2023 games where Yoshi was out with injury, and instead of putting Richmond in RT, we just moved Neufeld to RT and put the NAT spares in at RG.Looking back now, this may have been seen as an insult to Richmond who, as you said above, should have been activated to finally get his chance. (Maybe also an insult to Gray!)
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 09, 2024, 09:15:35 PMPretty sure Neufeld didn't have any snaps at RT last season and not sure Yoshi missed any games. Richmond did play the entire last game against the Stamps in place of Bryant in late Oct.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on February 09, 2024, 09:37:21 PMIt may have been 2022, but I thought 2023. If Neuf didn't play a snap at RT in either year then I'm going insane; I'm nearly positive I'm right, though. I'll dig through the depth charts and get back to you.Edit: Hmm, can't immediately find it in the charts, so it would have had to be an in-game temp replacement. Still pretty sure Neuf did take snaps at RT, because I made a mental note (and probably forum note, knowing me) that it was odd we didn't move Gray over. But if not in the charts, it couldn't have been an entire start. Maybe someone else remembers this so I don't have to go nuts digging through all my PVR?Note: Lofton seems to have gotten many of the pre/garbage-season RT snaps, according to the charts. What happened to him?
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 09, 2024, 09:54:39 PMLofton played LT for the Riders for 5-6 games last season but is listed as a FA now.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on February 09, 2024, 05:37:52 AMLosing Yoshi (Hardrick) is huge, but not insurmountable. So do we finally move Gray (if retained) there, or slide Neufeld in, or risk it on Ivy?Does Gray walk? No chatter yet in the tamper period, so it's looking good for retaining him, I guess. Does Yoshi walking let Gray ask for mega-$$ if he knows he's our only option at RT??Eli is set, but Dobson is still a question. We usually can retain the dev guys. I think Spooner is the last good dev guy we lost in FA? (Going by memory.) I'm thinking we do keep Dobson? I would make it a priority. He's great as the 6th and clearly will be good enough to be a starting G in another season or so. And isn't our NAT OL cupboard bare after those guys?So have at it. Let's hear the best guesses -- real good guesses -- as to what we're doing to fill those 2 gaping holes as well as 6th spot and new guys for the hopper. What are the odds we go 4 NAT OL? Is an early/mid-career FA IMP a possibility? KW has done it 3 time before. Can Ivy possibly get it done? Or will the scouts come up with near-impossible magic (never been done in WFC?)?After QB (where we're set), these questions are probably the most important ones that will define the success of the team in 2024.
Quote from: theaardvark on February 12, 2024, 03:23:18 PM6'2 286 is a little on the small side for a tackle, no? I hope his feet and speed make up for it...
Quote from: CrazyCanuck89 on February 12, 2024, 07:48:34 PMWho is this size?
Quote from: Jesse on February 12, 2024, 02:12:00 PMI obviously don't have any inside knowledge, but I've read a couple of time that Gray is expected to move on? I imagine we want to keep him around and might be the best option at taking over at tackle. But perhaps he must also be looking for that pay raise - whether from us or elsewhere. Can't imaigine we'd willingly move on in a year Hardrick leaves.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on February 12, 2024, 10:08:54 PMStill no replies to my questions about McGloster... how did we let him walk? Was it a case of him getting good enough he wanted to start (and be paid) and we simply couldn't afford it since we were clearly set at OT?Or was it we thought he stunk and just let him walk and he didn't even get a pay raise?Or was this around when Lapo walked and he stole away McGloster? Ahh Aha.... the cfl stats site shows he started 2021 with OTT (weird, no line for MTL, but it's the same guy). So Lapo spotted his talent and offered him more than PR money. That wily Lapo. It finally starts to make sense.So then the ultimate beneficiary was MTL stealing him from OTT (FA? trade?) when it all fell apart post-Lapo and the witches had to be burned (baby & bathwater & all that).It just kind of irks me that we're sitting here ruing the loss of our star RT and trembling because we have zero idea how to replace him, when we had his perfect ready-made replacement in-house a few seasons ago, and could have probably kept him if we had bumped up his pay a little bit to match Lapo. But apparently we liked Richmond instead.GC-win-caliber OT to boot!! He was a shut-down RT in that game. Frustrating
Quote from: Pigskin on February 12, 2024, 10:59:49 PMMcGloster: Signed with Winnipeg in May 2019. Made the AR out of TC. Went to the PR after game 3. Then was released. Probably asked to be released to join LA Chargers.Aug 2019 signed with LA Chargers. Was released at the end of TC. [...]July 2022 signed by Montreal. PR all season. 2023 played 9 games.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on February 13, 2024, 01:15:44 AMWow! Quite a journey for him. Makes a little more sense now.But as for MTL... The instant they benched Rice and put McGloster as RT starter was when they started their big 8+ game winning streak, culminating in their GC win. I know this because I track Rice's career pretty closely.I don't think it's so much that Rice stunk as McGloster has become pretty darn good. Again, check out his GC performance against Willie & co. Yoshi got beat more than McGloster did...I would still consider Rice as a "no other option" RT option, especially if Gray walks. He's still sitting with no calls in FA == cheap(ish). If we did end up starting 4 NAT OL it opens up all sorts of extra roster / scheme options on D, which could really help with our soon-to-be underpowered D.Other FA OL still out there:N StewardN RichardsA TateA RileyN SaxelidN Van ZeylN JohnsonA KellyA LoftonN CampbellN SceviourA ThorntonN St JohnN ThomassinA NormanWow! There's actually a whackton of OL still in FA! Cross off everyone above who can't play OT. Who's left?Anyone know how good Tate is? No other names stand out to me.
Quote from: theaardvark on February 14, 2024, 08:53:11 PMIf we start the year with Bryant, Dobson, Kolankowski, Eli and Neufeld as our Oline, we will still have one of the best in the league.
Quote from: theaardvark on February 14, 2024, 08:53:11 PMRanking the "musts" this off season, Oliviera and Schoen were much higher than Hardrick, Jeffcoat or the other FA's we lost. We were never going to be able to keep them all, the fact that we got the top 2 pending FA's in the league to sign here is amazing.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on February 15, 2024, 03:01:43 AMNot week 1 we won't. That line-up would be extremely shaky, and it leaves no one proven capable as our 6th OL for jumbo (which we use all the time now).I would say at the bare minimum we must have Gray, and either Gray/Neuf are RT... or we magically pull a serviceable IMP RT out of thin air (Ivy or otherwise).If we are starting both Eli/Dobson in the 5, then we have big problems. Eli is better as 6th; and the backup, dressed C.
Quote from: Jesse on February 15, 2024, 12:12:11 PMI think you're severely over estimating the OL talent across the league. I do not see us moving Neuf to RT. Dobson/Eli will fight it out for the guard spot and the other will continue to be #6. We can find a tackle and still field an excellent OL in week 1.
Quote from: theaardvark on February 15, 2024, 03:41:44 PM*IF* we have to start the season with Neufeld at RT, it will not be a catastrophe. We could even DI Vanterpool or Ivy (no E) as they get up to speed, and then move Neuf inside as one of them is ready. Ideally, we replace Hardrick with a new American RT in camp, and have Eli/Dobson fight for Gray's job. With only 2 rostered right now, I'm hoping the scouts bring a few more in.
Quote from: theaardvark on February 15, 2024, 03:41:44 PM*IF* we have to start the season with Neufeld at RT, it will not be a catastrophe.
Quote from: CrazyCanuck89 on February 15, 2024, 03:58:40 PMPeople do forget that Neufeld spent his first couple of years in the league at tackle.
Quote from: Jesse on February 15, 2024, 05:06:38 PMIt is the last thing I would do.I haven't forgotten, he just wasn't very good until he was moved to guard. Moving him from a spot where he has been successful is a great way to make two spots worse, instead of just one.
Quote from: Pigskin on February 15, 2024, 05:40:53 PMAt #8 there should be a couple of very good OLs. Daniel Johnson, 6'5" 320 LT Purdue, and Giovanni Manu 6'8" 350 LT UBC. Manu is said to be CFL ready. There is a very good TE in the top 20. Tanner McLachlan 6'5" 245, but he looks like a guy NHL teams will go after.
Quote from: CrazyCanuck89 on February 15, 2024, 08:20:18 PMThat should be great if the Bomber's get either of those tackles, even Manu's team mate. The guy could fall do to nfl interest.
Quote from: theaardvark on February 15, 2024, 03:41:44 PM*IF* we have to start the season with Neufeld at RT, it will not be a catastrophe. We could even DI Vanterpool or Ivy (no E) as they get up to speed, and then move Neuf inside as one of them is ready. Ideally, we replace Hardrick with a new American RT in camp, and have Eli/Dobson fight for Gray's job.
Quote from: Pete on February 15, 2024, 04:40:33 PMWHAT I would like to see is us draft a Canadian tightend. The cdn fb position is becoming antiquated, teams are putting more additional lineman in up front, and much like we used Jackson, a tightend with good blocking skills can also provide more reception opportunities. There's a reason te's are so important in the nfl. this would give the oline more support without losing an offensive threat. I wouldn't be adverse to even replacing Bailey with an import te.Was there even one fb last year that even approached 100 yrds total for the season?
Quote from: KINGCHARLES on February 15, 2024, 05:19:40 PMI'm going to put all my faith into a few people here. The Canadian Mafia and Marty Costello, Coach Costello is entering his 9th season as an OL coach here and his 7th as the main OL coach. We've consistently been a top 3 offence in the league for the last 5 seasons and a lot of that credit can go to the play of the offensive line. The last 2 seasons we've allowed the 2nd fewest amount of sacks in the CFL.Eli and Dobson were drafted with the intent on being groomed into starting roles and I think the Mafia wants to give them those opportunities this season. They will obviously also be looking at drafting 1-2 OL in this years draft with the full mentality of grooming and developing for the future.This offseason was an inevitable offseason for the Bombers, we needed to have change and some of that had to happen on the OL. I believe 3 of the last 5 seasons we have lost at least 1 starting OL to the salary cap. This is what will continue to happen with aging vets and dominating teams.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on February 16, 2024, 03:18:54 AMYes, that appears to be the need for this draft. TE/FB, unless we find a FA castoff NAT who will work for near-ELC...I can't think of a FB who got 100, but maybe one of those teams that throws the trick play to the FB/TE more often than usual? Who was that the last couple of years: BC, MTL? Don't remember. That play seemed to disappear in 2023, but was more common 2021-22?
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 16, 2024, 04:11:59 AMThe best example of a FB/TE type player in the league is Milanovic-Litre who's been all around the league, but just moved from Ottawa to Hamilton.
Quote from: Jesse on February 16, 2024, 11:27:58 AMI think with the bigger CFL fields, having a TE is kind of wasted. We'd rather just have the extra receiver on the field.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on February 16, 2024, 03:16:43 AMBut when's the last time we started week 1 with a rookie ELC IMP OL OT? Never? Not since I've been paying attention. Heck, our OL success run with Yoshi/Stan was literally built on sniping established tackles from other teams.Why all of a sudden do we think that either a) import rookie Jesus shows up TC and can start week 1, or b) one of our own existing "dev" IMP OT will be good enough? That would be relying on something the Mafia has literally never done before.I think (a) is a pipe dream, foggettaboutit. (b) Is more to our MO (at other positions), but is still a moonshot.Maybe we still snipe an existing, established FA. So many out there, some may take peanuts to keep working, and play for the best, GC-bound team. If I had to place bets, this would be my bet.If come week 1 it's Neufeld @ RT, then we know we were in "no other options" mode. Maybe he'll rise to the challenge, who knows. He wasn't bad when there; just not Yoshi level. I'd say Neuf @ RT is at least as good as Rice.
Quote from: LXTSN on February 16, 2024, 01:04:10 PMI would say the closest thing to a NAT TE in this league would be Jevon Cottoy. I think that type of WR/TE would be a better fit to replace Bailey, rather than fit them into a FB position. Leadblocking and and special teams play would be the most important skills for a new fullback. I thought Burtenshaw was decent, is he still available?
Quote from: theaardvark on February 16, 2024, 03:23:05 PMSO, I guess Lofton makes us a GC champ again?
Quote from: DM83 on February 17, 2024, 04:22:04 AMGray was the worst player in the line. He was the first to miss his block and run downfield to the third level, and miss a second block in the secondary, he was very tall.Hardwick was a good bet to miss a block every game. He was lucky that Our QB got rid. Of the ball fast, or escaped contain. Hardwick was obviously given the. o lineman award, because it was getting embarrassing for Stanley to win it again.Those two guys won't be missed
Quote from: TecnoGenius on February 17, 2024, 11:03:05 AMHaha, ya. Reading my post again I think I nailed it: we know we need a vet(ish) at RT. But surely many others on the FA list were better bets? Or maybe Lofton is the only one who'd take our pittan$e? Anyone we bring up on ELC will just be the next IMP dev guy. (Ivy's kind of in a weird middle ground.)Reading Yoshi's "guilty" presser, surely there was some way we could have met him in the middle? I bet if we came within $50k of SSK we could have kept him. Argh, aggravating.Here's how I see it: if we had a readymade solution in a PR guy who we know can do it, or a cast-off who we know can do it and know we can get, or an already-here NAT we know can do it... then you let Yoshi walk. If you don't have one of those things, and the alternative is panic chaos and sackfest, then why oh why don't you find the cheapest price you can keep Yoshi for?Now I'm wondering about Richmond... what occurred first? Did Richmond retire or did Yoshi agree to terms with SSK? If Richmond retired after Yoshi's decision, then I'm calling shenanigans. If Mafia had Richmond set as the solution then this is one big cluster. If that happened, KW is fuming.As for Lofton... I'm not sure Rice wouldn't be a better RT choice, though once again this may hint that money is critically low...
Quote from: theaardvark on February 17, 2024, 02:52:02 PMWhich of Oliviera or Schoen do you give up to sign Hardrick? Just curious...
Quote from: dd on February 18, 2024, 11:29:04 PMStreaked is not super human. Yes he can run the ball aggressively, but I recall him hobbling at the end and playing through a lot of pain. His running style comes at a cost, and that cost is injury. I hope he plays an injury free season but doubt that that happens
Quote from: DM83 on February 21, 2024, 07:51:10 AMA lot of players after injuries, never come back to pre-injury status. Bailey was a glue guy, but as a higher paid Import, he needed to get seperation. Great team guy and real football player. Maybe they bring him back when they cut Lawler?
Quote from: Jesse on February 21, 2024, 11:18:44 AMThe way receiver contracts are going, we probably sign Lawler and Schoen next year for less than they're making now.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 21, 2024, 03:52:04 PMMaybe Lawler, but Schoen signed at $230k which is a very fair price. Unfortunately they will both be FA's next season, so unless signed early Walters can't control their asking price.
Quote from: Jesse on February 21, 2024, 04:02:29 PMI mean the sum of their two salaries could be less in 2025 than it is in 2024.
Quote from: dd on February 18, 2024, 11:29:04 PMStreavie is not super human. Yes he can run the ball aggressively, but I recall him hobbling at the end and playing through a lot of pain. His running style comes at a cost, and that cost is injury. I hope he plays an injury free season but doubt that that happens
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 21, 2024, 05:24:09 PMIf they make it to FA there's no guarantee that will be true, key is to lock up one on a multi-year deal before FA begins and decide whether they can afford to keep the other or not. Walters is spending too much money on the offence, at some point he needs to correct the imbalance.
Quote from: theaardvark on February 21, 2024, 05:39:40 PMOur WR situation might change next year. This year, we did not have a recruit step up like Schoen did when he came. One reason might be, there was no playing time, our WR corps was stacked. Which might be why Sheed is not signed...If we have the next Schoen show up this year, then we can move on from one of Lawler or Schoen. And ride an ELC for a year again.