Dave Naylor: A look at where every team sits at QB

Started by blue_gold_84, January 10, 2024, 07:03:08 PM

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https://www.tsn.ca/cfl/dave-naylor-a-look-at-where-every-cfl-team-sits-at-quarterback-1.2060605

Some solid analysis from Naylor going into free agency and looking ahead to the 2024 season.

I wonder if we see Streveler return to the CFL this year.
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Quote from: blue_gold_84 on January 10, 2024, 07:03:08 PM
https://www.tsn.ca/cfl/dave-naylor-a-look-at-where-every-cfl-team-sits-at-quarterback-1.2060605

Some solid analysis from Naylor going into free agency and looking ahead to the 2024 season.

I wonder if we see Streveler return to the CFL this year.

I wonder if Prukop will look for a temp. job in the USFL to supplement his earnings again and come back to the Bombers later in the fall.

theaardvark

With Crum in house, not sure Ottawa opens the vault to sign Dru.  Plus, Adams looked good, and who knows Masoli's prognosis, he's had enough time to recover.  Look what time did for Collaros.

WIth SSK reupping Harris, and Mitchell re-upping in Ham, MBT in EDM, And Fajardo in MTL, not sure any team is looking for a new #1 or even someone they can sign for a "compete for #1" salary.  Unless Dru gets some serious cash, I can see us still being in the hunt as FA time comes.  And I'm sure, all things being equal, he'd rather sign here, because he will get better, and will get snaps.  Collaros has been fairly durable in his tenure here, but he's not getting any younger. 

I hope Dru gets a legit chance to start if he leaves, but I'd prefer him to stay...

That said, if the brain trust has a potential QB on the neg list they are excited about, having a #2 QB on the cheap for 2 years means we can sign more of our other FA's.  And when teh time comes, and we need a new QB1, maybe we take a run at stealing Dru back.  IF we haven't developed the next Dru.
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Quote from: theaardvark on January 10, 2024, 08:20:02 PM
With Crum in house, not sure Ottawa opens the vault to sign Dru.  Plus, Adams looked good, and who knows Masoli's prognosis, he's had enough time to recover.  Look what time did for Collaros.

WIth SSK reupping Harris, and Mitchell re-upping in Ham, MBT in EDM, And Fajardo in MTL, not sure any team is looking for a new #1 or even someone they can sign for a "compete for #1" salary.  Unless Dru gets some serious cash, I can see us still being in the hunt as FA time comes.  And I'm sure, all things being equal, he'd rather sign here, because he will get better, and will get snaps.  Collaros has been fairly durable in his tenure here, but he's not getting any younger. 

I hope Dru gets a legit chance to start if he leaves, but I'd prefer him to stay...

That said, if the brain trust has a potential QB on the neg list they are excited about, having a #2 QB on the cheap for 2 years means we can sign more of our other FA's.  And when teh time comes, and we need a new QB1, maybe we take a run at stealing Dru back.  IF we haven't developed the next Dru.

This is the exact opposite of what Kyle Walters said about Dru Brown. He suggested that even if the Bombers could put forth a competitive offer, Dru would still likely go elsewhere for an increased opportunity.

He doesn't need to be the day 1 starter to have a better opportunity on another team.
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Quote from: theaardvark on January 10, 2024, 08:20:02 PM
With Crum in house, not sure Ottawa opens the vault to sign Dru.  Plus, Adams looked good, and who knows Masoli's prognosis, he's had enough time to recover.  Look what time did for Collaros.

WIth SSK reupping Harris, and Mitchell re-upping in Ham, MBT in EDM, And Fajardo in MTL, not sure any team is looking for a new #1 or even someone they can sign for a "compete for #1" salary.  Unless Dru gets some serious cash, I can see us still being in the hunt as FA time comes.  And I'm sure, all things being equal, he'd rather sign here, because he will get better, and will get snaps.  Collaros has been fairly durable in his tenure here, but he's not getting any younger. 

I hope Dru gets a legit chance to start if he leaves, but I'd prefer him to stay...

That said, if the brain trust has a potential QB on the neg list they are excited about, having a #2 QB on the cheap for 2 years means we can sign more of our other FA's.  And when teh time comes, and we need a new QB1, maybe we take a run at stealing Dru back.  IF we haven't developed the next Dru.

They'll be lucky if Masoli is back before July, he certainly won't be available for the start of the season...and Bob Dyce 's job is on the line.

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Jeff Hamilton on Dru brown:

Lots of talk about Bombers QB Dru Brown and where he?ll end up once free agency opens on Feb. 13. It likely won?t be Winnipeg, which Bombers GM Kyle Walters predicted in his media availability Tuesday. Brown loved his time on the prairies but wants a legitimate chance to earn more playing time. With Zach Collaros under contract for two more years, that just isn?t going to happen in Winnipeg. I?ve long said I believe Brown will end up with the Ottawa Redblacks, working under new offensive co-ordinator Tommy Condell. Condell and Collaros are close and Collaros speaks incredibly highly of Brown, and I imagine his scouting report has already been passed along. With Jeremiah Masoli coming off an Achilles injury, and Dustin Crum still in need of some seasoning after his rookie year, I picture Brown at Redblacks training camp this spring vying for his first No.1 job.
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theaardvark

If Condell is high on Collaros... should we look at "Ricky Ray'ing" Collaros now?  If Dru Brown is the next starter in the league, why not here, why not now.

We could get a something for Collaros, save some cap space to sign BO20 and DS83, and have a QB that we can move forward with long term.

I'm not saying we are better off with Dru over Zach, but Zach is one hit away from retirement, our Oline has kept him upright and safe.  We might not have the oline we've had the last few years, and that might factor in.

Its a tough decision, and no one wants to move away from Zach, he's taken us to 4 GC's.  But if a team can move on from Ritchie Hall to make sure they don't lose a Jordan Younger... is this any less of a toiugh decision?
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Quote from: blue_gold_84 on January 11, 2024, 03:43:59 PM
What are you on this morning, Aardsy?

Nothing.  The whole Younger move has changed things. 

If Dru Brown is the next big thing, and we let him walk now, and we lose Collaros to injury (or father time) this year, we have zilch for QB in the year before we host the GC.

This prospect gets even worse next year, with Zach a year older and 20 games more on his tires. 

Was EDM smart in moving Ray for Jyles?  A guy with 20 starts and an 81.7 QB rating?  Probably the worst trade in all CFL history.

Was CGY trading Mitchell to HAM a smart move?  Probably, Maier has performed much better than Mitchell, but that' not a high bar to clear.

Is Collaros ate the same stage of his career as Mitchell, or where Ray was?  I;d say he's somewhere between. 

Just saying, if you can "demote" a DC that is rumoured to be next in line for any number of NFL HC jobs (just kidding) but still a premier DC in the league just to hold on to a promising your coach and stop him from signing elsewhere, then that opens up this discussion.

I don't think it will happen, not suggesting it should.  But should it be considered?  It depends on how high they are on Dru.
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blue_gold_84

In-house coaching changes should have no bearing on roster changes, much less ones on the other side of the ball.

So, no. Such considerations should not be made, as it's also an absurd comparison.

Collaros remains QB1 in the organization.
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Quote from: blue_gold_84 on January 11, 2024, 06:56:02 PM
In-house coaching changes should have no bearing on roster changes, much less ones on the other side of the ball.

So, no. Such considerations should not be made, as it's also an absurd comparison.

Collaros remains QB1 in the organization.

You miss the point.  If the organization can make a personnel decision based on moving on from a veteran to prevent losing a prospect, be it a coach, a player or a waterboy, that opens the discussion.

Promoting Younger but not considering promoting Dru (who does have 3 years in the organization, he's not just a flash) just seems counter-intuitive.

Yes, Zach is QB1, there is no doubt.  And the only time you can consider trading a QB1 is if you have someone to replace him.  Does Dru have more ability today?  I don't know.  But I do know:

He's more affordable (we have some BIG decisions to make that $200k could help)
He's younger
He fits here
When pressed into action, he has delivered.

Zach won us 2 GC's and all fans will be forever thankful for that.
But, Zach was at the helm for the last 2 GC losses.  And his play has been questioned in that regard.

It a tough decision to make, and either one could well be wrong.  But not having the discussion is worse.
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Quote from: theaardvark on January 11, 2024, 07:05:42 PM
You miss the point.  If the organization can make a personnel decision based on moving on from a veteran to prevent losing a prospect, be it a coach, a player or a waterboy, that opens the discussion.

Promoting Younger but not considering promoting Dru (who does have 3 years in the organization, he's not just a flash) just seems counter-intuitive.


Yes, Zach is QB1, there is no doubt.  And the only time you can consider trading a QB1 is if you have someone to replace him.  Does Dru have more ability today?  I don't know.  But I do know:

He's more affordable (we have some BIG decisions to make that $200k could help)
He's younger
He fits here
When pressed into action, he has delivered.

Zach won us 2 GC's and all fans will be forever thankful for that.
But, Zach was at the helm for the last 2 GC losses.  And his play has been questioned in that regard.

It a tough decision to make, and either one could well be wrong.  But not having the discussion is worse.


Wha?

You're saying that because we were willing to make a change in one area then it means we're automatically open to it everywhere? This wasn't some sudden sort of change of heart - orgs (or at least the Bombers) should/are open the changes all the time. They do them if it makes sense, and the fact they don't do it often is because we've been so successful. Promoting Young and cutting Zach are completely unrelated things...
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Quote from: theaardvark on January 11, 2024, 07:05:42 PM
You miss the point.

You can't miss what doesn't exist.

I'll let the organization determine Collaros' worth to the WFC, not a fan whose mental gymnastics on this forum are as well known. The latter hasn't earned the consideration, anyway.
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Quote from: blue_gold_84 on January 11, 2024, 07:23:25 PM
You can't miss what doesn't exist.

I'll let the organization determine Collaros' worth to the WFC, not a fan whose mental gymnastics on this forum are as well known. The latter hasn't earned the consideration, anyway.

When Buck literally says that Dru is entitled to the chance to start in the league, I'm guessing that's consideration.  The Bomber's OC believes Dru has the ability to be a CFL starting QB today.

The question becomes:

Is he a better fit here than Zach.

Obviously, this team is loyal to its players to a fault. 

But the facts remain.

Dru would be younger and cheaper.  Would he be better?  I'm not in a position to know, but if it is even close, then the younger/cheaper factors come into play.

Can Zach finish 2025 better than he finished 2022 and 2023?

Can Dru continue to grow in 2024 and 2025 and bring the cup home at home?

Can signing Drew and trading Zach free up enough cash to sign DS83 and BO20?

This ain't checkers, its 3D chess...
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blue_gold_84

Quote from: theaardvark on January 11, 2024, 07:33:27 PM
When Buck literally says that Dru is entitled to the chance to start in the league, I'm guessing that's consideration.  The Bomber's OC believes Dru has the ability to be a CFL starting QB today.

Pierce can say whatever he wants and I'm sure O'Shea would agree on such an assessment. We've seen what Brown can do and that bodes well for him going forward. It doesn't mean the team should cut Collaros and go with Brown as QB1 going into the 2024 season, though. Pierce isn't the final authority on that.

Quote from: theaardvark on January 11, 2024, 07:33:27 PM
This ain't checkers, its 3D chess...

It's neither, Aardsy.
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