The demise of the Riders...Dickenson fired...GM extended.

Started by The Zipp, October 22, 2023, 03:19:16 AM

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Sec223

Quote from: John T. on October 22, 2023, 03:25:43 AM
I blame Brendan Taman.

If I remember correctly, to make the Bombers a powerhouse for a few years he pretty much gave away years of draft picks, resulting in the Bombers having virtually no good Canadian talent for years and years after Taman left. He gave away the farm for immediate success, which never translated into a Grey Cup.

Similarly, in exchange for a few winning years, it seems that he's left behind a mess of an organization. I don't know the details, because quite frankly, I don't care that much, but it's interesting that the one common feature both the terrible Bombers of yesteryear and the terrible Riders of today have is that they let Brendan Taman run the team.

More blame goes to Joe Mack.

blue_gold_84

Quote from: TecnoGenius on October 23, 2023, 10:37:32 PM
Yes, I'm a bit surprised JOD survives, actually.

I can only surmise he's safe due to losing Harris and 2024 is his last chance. It has to be.

But seven straight losses to end another season, finish 6-12 yet again, and miss the playoffs in such inept fashing should've been all the proof needed to move on from him as GM.

Quote from: BLUEBOMBER on October 24, 2023, 12:33:22 AM
Guess $hit happens when you build a stadium that looks like a toilet seat..  :)

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#forthew
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blue_or_die

Quote from: TecnoGenius on October 24, 2023, 06:40:33 AM
Oh no!  Daniella Ponticelli on CKRM Regina radio announced in the post-game that she's leaving the station after the GC.  I know few here will care, but man I'll miss that voice, it's half the reason why I tuned into the greenie post-gamers.  Maybe she just couldn't take the heartbreak anymore, or got some even better job offers for that buttery voice.

Maybe she's coming to WPG to take on my 3-hour post-game CJOB show idea!  ;) ;) ;)  One can dream...

I've listened to their postgame show a few times and agree she's extremely talented and has a relaxing voice to listen to! I see she's going to be doing play-by-play for the Pats. Good for her! Great talent.
#Ride?

blue_or_die

Also, I couldn't believe it when I read that O'Day was extended.

Not a popular opinion but I'm of the mind that even though the head coach absolutely plays a crucial role, it all starts with the foundation of talent and fit you put together and so is far more a determining factor of team success. I will put it out there and say that JOD's roster was more of a problem for the Riders than CD was trying (and failing) to control it.
#Ride?

BBRT

Quote from: Sec223 on October 24, 2023, 12:31:40 PM
More blame goes to Joe Mack.

I blame Nasty Nate! (Wonder if he postes anywhere these days)?

Jesse

Quote from: blue_or_die on October 24, 2023, 02:43:14 PM
Also, I couldn't believe it when I read that O'Day was extended.

Not a popular opinion but I'm of the mind that even though the head coach absolutely plays a crucial role, it all starts with the foundation of talent and fit you put together and so is far more a determining factor of team success. I will put it out there and say that JOD's roster was more of a problem for the Riders than CD was trying (and failing) to control it.

Agreed and thought this should have been a clean sweep last year.
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Throw Long Bannatyne

Quote from: blue_or_die on October 24, 2023, 02:43:14 PM
Also, I couldn't believe it when I read that O'Day was extended.

Not a popular opinion but I'm of the mind that even though the head coach absolutely plays a crucial role, it all starts with the foundation of talent and fit you put together and so is far more a determining factor of team success. I will put it out there and say that JOD's roster was more of a problem for the Riders than CD was trying (and failing) to control it.

Some outstanding talent has gone through Sask. and ended up playing elsewhere, O'Day failed to stem the exodus and build continuity.  He attempted to put a bandage on the wound by signing CFL retreads well past their shelf-life.

Bomber Diehard

That is an Oldie. ? Nasty Nate?
I hope he has retired from going in here.

Pete

I don't get the O'day extension, the number one shortfall Sask has had in the past 4 years has been their offensive line.
They tried to blame Fajardo and Maas but look how they are doing now.
One of the keys to the bombers rebuild was the offensive line, spending big bucks to get Bryant, drafting, and making it a focus.
Going into 2023 everyone knew the riders oline was terrible, yet it still is a major issue at the end.
They spent 250 k on Lanier,  spent on Wienike as well both of whom didn't perform well enough,  They did bring in Godber who BC thought wasn't good enough and a 37 yr old Blake, not nearly good enough.
Bringing in talent is a gm priority, and their gm failed badly.

blue_or_die

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on October 24, 2023, 05:30:35 PM
Some outstanding talent has gone through Sask. and ended up playing elsewhere, O'Day failed to stem the exodus and build continuity.  He attempted to put a bandage on the wound by signing CFL retreads well past their shelf-life.

They had some good players but every team does. I never thought they had the critical mass of good players who were also good culturally as a fit. HC has the job of cultivating that but there's only so much you can do with cancers like Gainey and Marshall and the clown show.
#Ride?

TecnoGenius

Quote from: Pete on October 24, 2023, 08:53:50 PM
Going into 2023 everyone knew the riders oline was terrible, yet it still is a major issue at the end.

JOD needs to look at KW and switch to a 3-IMP OL when you don't yet have a good unit.  We played Bond at guard for 2(?) seasons when we didn't have the depth or talent.  SSK needs to do the same until smart OL drafting can start to pay off, as well as some shrewd FA pickups.

SSK has two of the league-best NAT WRs: Emilus and KSB.  That should allow them to go 3-IMP OL without problem.
Never go full Rider!

TecnoGenius

Quote from: blue_or_die on October 24, 2023, 09:04:38 PM
only so much you can do with cancers like Gainey and Marshall and the clown show.

In the off-season they need to drop all the joggers and half-rumpers, and #1 in that club is Marshall.  After they go down 1 score Marshall just tunes out and saunters down the field and doesn't even try to tackle.  And he lets through every explosion trying to get the INT.

If Marshall is back that will be a huge sign that JOD has no idea what he is doing.  There are plenty of guys on that team with real heart and you need guys that universally buy in.  As WFC says: FIFO.

I wonder what unfortunate team is dumb enough to pick him up... hopefully none.  It's a shame, as he has talent.
Never go full Rider!

ichabod_crane

Quote from: John T. on October 22, 2023, 03:25:43 AM
I blame Brendan Taman.

If I remember correctly, to make the Bombers a powerhouse for a few years he pretty much gave away years of draft picks, resulting in the Bombers having virtually no good Canadian talent for years and years after Taman left. He gave away the farm for immediate success, which never translated into a Grey Cup.

Similarly, in exchange for a few winning years, it seems that he's left behind a mess of an organization. I don't know the details, because quite frankly, I don't care that much, but it's interesting that the one common feature both the terrible Bombers of yesteryear and the terrible Riders of today have is that they let Brendan Taman run the team.

Taman pushed all his chips in for that 2013 grey cup win in Regina.

TecnoGenius

Quote from: ichabod_crane on October 25, 2023, 01:45:45 AM
Taman pushed all his chips in for that 2013 grey cup win in Regina.

Which may be the correct approach if your team is looking at losing a ton of players and years of losing anyhow...

If SSK doesn't go all-in in that year, do they win that cup?  They sold the next 5 years of that franchise in order to get that win.  And it was the greatest win in SSK history and one that every fan will remember and love forever.  Would those SSK fans have traded making but losing the WSF every year for 5 years for that one single GC win followed by years of sucking?

We may be faced with a similar situation in the near future... We all think we know what The Mafia will do; but do we really?
Never go full Rider!

TecnoGenius

Vibrating Sheldon called in to CKRM if you want a good laugh

https://open.spotify.com/show/4cJeQqJewWwNEeqEzevV4s
SportsCage - October 23rd, 2023

starts around 14 mins; a wild 7 mins.... "Ya"

:o :o :o
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