Blue Bombers Transactions - October 5

[blue_gold_84]

Quite probably he gets brought in for TC at the very least. Lower SMS hit and Riders have some older players that will not be back.

I'd say he's got a strong chance to stick with them next season. Could be a good pick-up for the Riders in what I can only surmise as a pending rebuild.

[Blue In BC]

I'd say he's got a strong chance to stick with them next season. Could be a good pick-up for the Riders in what I can only surmise as a pending rebuild.

I'd expect the Riders to be big players in free agency. So we can't tell who they might go after and land. The one thing that is certain is there will be significant changes up to and including a change at GM and HC levels.

[TecnoGenius]

Argos sign AMER WR Agudosi: https://www.argonauts.ca/2023/10/10/argos-add-american-wr-carlton-agudosi/

People will deny it and say it does not help to do a "playbook" signing but was pretty sure they were set at receiver. so...

Ya, now I'm convinced that teams do this to steal playbooks and get all the juicy tips from everything they saw at practice.  So Agudosi was practising with us up until, what, 2 weeks ago?  All the little trick plays and wrinkles we haven't shown teams yet are now falling into Pinball's hands.

I felt that in the '22 GC they were basically listening in on the Buck booth as they were countering our plays exactly, often before we even snapped the ball.  Now this could be due to dull and uncreative Buck calls and prep, or it could be superb calling and film study and tactics by TOR.  Or it could be last season they had AH33 spilling all the beans.

This year when they seem to know our plays before every snap, I won't hesitate to think of Agudosi.

Agudosi was basically useless as a receiver save for his one big game.  He was so bad that even NAT BOO and tiny RB McCrae beat him out of a spot.  And we didn't even feel like we wanted the safety net of a true backup IMP WR, which most teams would want going into a probable GC situation.

Should have kept Agudosi on the PR just to stop this scenario.  If he wanted more $$ on the AR, bribe him with money with a contract on the PR, or lie like every other team and put him on the 6GIR.

This is a dirty and low move by TOR, plain and simple.  There is no way Agudosi sees the field in the post-season.  Ya, they could activate him as a placeholder to make it look legit in the remaining garbage-season games, but that's it.  He'll be on the PR at year end and won't even get his name on the cup, should they win.  I hope they paid you more than 30 pieces of silver, Agudosi.

I don't know why every year we shoot ourselves in the foot letting teams take advantage of us (SSK does this virtually every year).  We never snipe any of our main competitors' players to steal their playbook.  You think that wouldn't be useful to Hall?  A team as good as TOR will be hard enough to beat in the GC as it is; with the entire playbook now revealed they will have an insurmountable advantage.

Formula 1 has rules against this with strict fines and penalties or firings.  You can't reveal any info from your previous team.  Why doesn't the CFL have something similar?

[blue_gold_84]

LOL

[Jesse]

LOL

x2

[BlueGold8597]

Ya, now I'm convinced that teams do this to steal playbooks and get all the juicy tips from everything they saw at practice.  So Agudosi was practising with us up until, what, 2 weeks ago?  All the little trick plays and wrinkles we haven't shown teams yet are now falling into Pinball's hands.

I felt that in the '22 GC they were basically listening in on the Buck booth as they were countering our plays exactly, often before we even snapped the ball.  Now this could be due to dull and uncreative Buck calls and prep, or it could be superb calling and film study and tactics by TOR.  Or it could be last season they had AH33 spilling all the beans.

This year when they seem to know our plays before every snap, I won't hesitate to think of Agudosi.

Agudosi was basically useless as a receiver save for his one big game.  He was so bad that even NAT BOO and tiny RB McCrae beat him out of a spot.  And we didn't even feel like we wanted the safety net of a true backup IMP WR, which most teams would want going into a probable GC situation.

Should have kept Agudosi on the PR just to stop this scenario.  If he wanted more $$ on the AR, bribe him with money with a contract on the PR, or lie like every other team and put him on the 6GIR.

This is a dirty and low move by TOR, plain and simple.  There is no way Agudosi sees the field in the post-season.  Ya, they could activate him as a placeholder to make it look legit in the remaining garbage-season games, but that's it.  He'll be on the PR at year end and won't even get his name on the cup, should they win.  I hope they paid you more than 30 pieces of silver, Agudosi.

I don't know why every year we shoot ourselves in the foot letting teams take advantage of us (SSK does this virtually every year).  We never snipe any of our main competitors' players to steal their playbook.  You think that wouldn't be useful to Hall?  A team as good as TOR will be hard enough to beat in the GC as it is; with the entire playbook now revealed they will have an insurmountable advantage.

Formula 1 has rules against this with strict fines and penalties or firings.  You can't reveal any info from your previous team.  Why doesn't the CFL have something similar?

I think that the Bombers could just as easily use this to their own advantage...ie. "you think you know what's coming, we'll specifically show you what looks like the play you are expecting and run a wrinkle you haven't seen before".

Also by the playoffs every team has so much film on every other team that you know what they are going to do. The problem is to stop it. Teams know that we like to run Brady behind a wall of 7 offensive linemen. Stopping that requires more than knowing that it's coming. Ultimately games are won and lost by physical battles more than by any tactical or strategic brilliance

[Waffler]

I would agree that every team needs a go to play that the other team can't stop even if they know it is coming. BUT football is in large part deception. Plays are called in the huddle for a reason. You want a mismatch. You want them guessing wrong.

I am not saying a new player walks in and plops a Bomber playbook on the meeting table. BUT during film study I would guarantee 90% of the questions are directed at the ex-Bomber. What are they doing here? What does this mean? etc. You can't convince me it's not a big help. It happens often enough that it MUST be. It can't all be coincidence with the number of times teams do it.

[TecnoGenius]

LOL

So they hired can't-catch no-effort probably-out-of-the-cfl-in-2024 Agudosi why??  Are you telling me there weren't far better receivers cut in the last month?  I guarantee you he will not be re-signed in TOR next season.  And I'm nearly positive he won't dress for the off-season.

So why did they hire him??  Naive.

[TecnoGenius]

I would agree that every team needs a go to play that the other team can't stop even if they know it is coming. BUT football is in large part deception. Plays are called in the huddle for a reason. You want a mismatch. You want them guessing wrong.

So many people forget that football is a big chess match.  There's a reason why the OC and DC are the second highest paid positions after the HC.  Sure, the layman has no idea they exist or that what they do matters.

Football is a mix of several things:
1. talent
2. execution
3. morale/hunger
4. strategy (play calling)

You can assign a percentage to each in terms of importance.  I'd posit that strategy is at least 30%.  To my eyes the '22 GC loss was mostly down to strategy: they clearly out-called and out-coached us.  Like they had mics in our OC's booth, or they knew the whole book and every look (cough cough Andrew).  (No I'm not saying they bugged the booth, but when it looks like they're in your playbook it sometimes feels that way.)

Film only gets you so far.  You don't necessarily know all the tweaks each look can branch to, as many haven't been used yet.  You don't know any of the trick plays that were practised but not yet used.  There's a reason 1 practice a week is closed: so the enemy can't see what your new tricks are.  Agudosi knows those things.  He's like a hidden camera or spy at every closed practice.  He has no loyalty to us, since we dumped him like week-old leftover turkey.

TOR, Pinball, and Dinwiddie strike me as the type of people that will do anything to win the big game, anything to get the edge, even if it's skirting ethical boundaries.  WFC always plays it straight.  Let's hope #1 and #2 above are enough, because TOR probably has #3 won, and with Agudosi potentially #4 (on D at least).  If we don't do something on the strategy front, the final result will be the same.

[blue_gold_84]

So they hired can't-catch no-effort probably-out-of-the-cfl-in-2024 Agudosi why??  Are you telling me there weren't far better receivers cut in the last month?  I guarantee you he will not be re-signed in TOR next season.  And I'm nearly positive he won't dress for the off-season.

So why did they hire him??  Naive.

LOL

You okay?

[Horseman]

The Bombers knew this was a possibility before they released Agudosi, so why do it? should of just kept him on the PR unless he asked for his release which is doubtful.

[Jesse]

So many people forget that football is a big chess match.  There's a reason why the OC and DC are the second highest paid positions after the HC.  Sure, the layman has no idea they exist or that what they do matters.

Football is a mix of several things:
1. talent
2. execution
3. morale/hunger
4. strategy (play calling)

You can assign a percentage to each in terms of importance.  I'd posit that strategy is at least 30%.  To my eyes the '22 GC loss was mostly down to strategy: they clearly out-called and out-coached us.  Like they had mics in our OC's booth, or they knew the whole book and every look (cough cough Andrew).  (No I'm not saying they bugged the booth, but when it looks like they're in your playbook it sometimes feels that way.)

Film only gets you so far.  You don't necessarily know all the tweaks each look can branch to, as many haven't been used yet.  You don't know any of the trick plays that were practised but not yet used.  There's a reason 1 practice a week is closed: so the enemy can't see what your new tricks are.  Agudosi knows those things.  He's like a hidden camera or spy at every closed practice.  He has no loyalty to us, since we dumped him like week-old leftover turkey.

TOR, Pinball, and Dinwiddie strike me as the type of people that will do anything to win the big game, anything to get the edge, even if it's skirting ethical boundaries.  WFC always plays it straight.  Let's hope #1 and #2 above are enough, because TOR probably has #3 won, and with Agudosi potentially #4 (on D at least).  If we don't do something on the strategy front, the final result will be the same.

Alright, let's walk down this path.

Let's assume that Agudosi walks into the Argos locker room, plops down his play book and spends the next month locked in an office with Dinwiddie.

Every Argo's defensive player memorizes every play, knows every possible route tree of every possible formation, because they're all savants and retain that information over the next month if they spend every second doing it on the chance we meet each other in the Grey Cup.

So defensive back A lines up against Lawler, recognizes the formation and knows the 3-5 possible ways Lawler will take this route (all of which go to different parts of the field based on the defensive alignment) and that he is the first read on this particular play ( because we couldn't possibly change anything over the next 6 weeks).

How does this help?

Especially if Zach, at any moment, can change the play with an audible that certainly wouldn't be the same come play-offs.

[blue_gold_84]

The Bombers knew this was a possibility before they released Agudosi, so why do it? should of just kept him on the PR unless he asked for his release which is doubtful.

Probably because it's completely irrelevant. He's a fringe player who's caught 15 passes in the CFL the last two seasons.

This reminds me of the Terence Jeffers-Harris release in Nov. 2011. The only difference is our resident conspiracy theorist wasn't around back then to sully threads.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

Alright, let's walk down this path.

Let's assume that Agudosi walks into the Argos locker room, plops down his play book and spends the next month locked in an office with Dinwiddie.

Every Argo's defensive player memorizes every play, knows every possible route tree of every possible formation, because they're all savants and retain that information over the next month if they spend every second doing it on the chance we meet each other in the Grey Cup.

So defensive back A lines up against Lawler, recognizes the formation and knows the 3-5 possible ways Lawler will take this route (all of which go to different parts of the field based on the defensive alignment) and that he is the first read on this particular play ( because we couldn't possibly change anything over the next 6 weeks).

How does this help?

Especially if Zach, at any moment, can change the play with an audible that certainly wouldn't be the same come play-offs.

Just to clarify your post, there is no longer a printout of the playbook, it would most likely be contained on a tablet which could not be copied and would have to be turned in once he left the team.  So the only useful information Agudosi could pass on to the Argos, would have to be committed to memory.

[Jesse]

Just to clarify your post, there is no longer a printout of the playbook, it would most likely be contained on a tablet which could not be copied and would have to be turned in once he left the team.  So the only useful information Agudosi could pass on to the Argos, would have to be committed to memory.

There's nothing to clarify, I'm walking through an entirely made up scenario which would give every possible advantage to the Argos...and it's still worthless.