Argos at Blue Bombers PRE GAME thread

[blue_gold_84]

Does he? If he's barely playing the last 5 games of the year....

Even if he does play, he doesn't easily take it. He's certainly in the conversation for MOP, but I don't think he's the front-runner.

There are a few others in the conversation, including Collaros and Oliveira.

[John T.]

Not playing against the Bombers should (but won't) remove Chad Kelly from any consideration as MOP.

If he was injured and legitimately couldn't play that would be a different story, but that's not what's happening here.

"He beat up everybody on the schoolyard that was smaller than him" doesn't make you the toughest kid in school. Likewise, beating all of the teams that are worse than yours while avoiding the one and only team that might be your equal isn't MOP material, it's cowardice, plain and simple.

Whether that cowardice is his or his coaching staffs', it's repugnant. I've lost what little respect I had for that team.

[Jesse]

IMO Kelly takes MOP easily this year, I believe Zach will get a few votes and it wouldn't surprise me if VA ends up with a couple votes.  I think Brady and Betts will be a solid battle with voters for CDN.

I really don't get the argument for Kelly as MOP.

Betts isn't a candidate for MOC anymore either, imo.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

I really don't get the argument for Kelly as MOP.

Betts isn't a candidate for MOC anymore either, imo.

Kelly really hasn't lost a game this season yet so I think he'll most likely win MOP as most voters are in the East and they're probably tired of voting for Zach and want to cast a vote for someone else.  It might not be right, but it's happened before, notably to Bryant and Walby.

[blue_gold_84]

Since when do team wins determine an individual accolade like MOP?

[TBURGESS]

I see the MOP coming down to Kelly in the East vs Brady O in the west. (Collaros has been good, but Brady's been outstanding)

[blue_or_die]

Kelly will win MOP even if he shouldn't.

[dd]

Collaros has had an erratic and inconsistent year, yes, he's the past MOP, but shouldn't even be in the discussion. Brady would be my nomination for our club, he's been consistent all year.

[TecnoGenius]

I know the narrative surrounding the Argos, but "most outstanding" doesn't really apply to what Kelly has done this year, imo.

Kelly led and willed the team to wins even when they should have lost.  That is what elevates him to possible MOP.  The QB gets all the glory and blame for team wins / losses.  Similarly, Zach gets the blame for all the losses to garbage teams.  That is why if it's Kelly vs Zach, they'll give it to Kelly: unless Zach kicks BC butt in 1 week and gets 300+ yard games with tons of TDs for the remainder of the season.

Even if he does play, he doesn't easily take it. He's certainly in the conversation for MOP, but I don't think he's the front-runner.

Don't kid yourself, Kelly is far and away the front-runner.  You don't win all but 1 (non-garbagetime) game and lock up the division with 100 games to go and not be front-runner for MOP.  If we had won all those basement games we should have this season then Zach would be the clear front-runner because of the TD edge.

I think Brady and Betts will be a solid battle with voters for CDN.

Brady had career best game tonight according to CJOB.  It's that type of late-season performance, on top of the 90% consistent performance earlier in the season, that makes him a solid possibility for MOP.  And if he doesn't get MOP. how do they not pick him for MONAT?  Betts has had many games with zero or near-zero stats.  We made him look silly last time.

If Brady can get 100 every game and show he can't be stopped when closing out games, then I think he deserves MOP, but it's very hard for media to pick a RB over a QB; and the league does love kissing TOR butt... "the league needs TOR fans, the other teams be darned"

[TecnoGenius]

Whether that cowardice is his or his coaching staffs', it's repugnant. I've lost what little respect I had for that team.

TOR is doing the smart thing that most HCs would do.  Not only do you save him from injury, but you save his headspace by not risking a humiliating loss to WPG, or worse, one of the garbage teams.

@IGF I was sitting there thinking... what if on the last couple of critical TOR drives you put in Kelly to drive the field for a TD and probably win the game?  I was watching him all 4th to see if he was ever warming up.  He wasn't.

Imagine if Kelly comes in when they are down less than a major and drives the field easily and runs it in himself for a TD and TOR wins... they'd have a morale boost, and bragging rights, that would last until the GC.  In addition, imagine the devastation on our team morale if that happened?  Disaster.  But it would be a huge gamble, as it all backfires should he fail, or worse, get injured.

TOR is in a happy place right now that has no need to gamble on anything.  Just keep going by the book and they'll have a great chance at winning a GC.

[theaardvark]

IMO Kelly takes MOP easily this year, I believe Zach will get a few votes and it wouldn't surprise me if VA ends up with a couple votes.  I think Brady and Betts will be a solid battle with voters for CDN.

Quite possibly, unless Adams or Collaros are lights out.

Brady deserves recognition, and it will be tough for him to win Canadian if Betts sets sack records. 

If Brady sets a ruching record of combined yards record, and Betts sets a sack record, tough choice, but MOCP tends to favour O, like MOP favours QB's..

[J5V]

TOR is in a happy place right now that has no need to gamble on anything.  Just keep going by the book and they'll have a great chance at winning a GC.

Let's keep telling them that.