Argos at Blue Bombers PRE GAME thread

GOLDMEMBER · September 18, 2023, 10:37:50 PM

Harris finally returns

Best on Best as far conferences go

Revenge game for the Blue Bombers

Jeffcoat back?

Which Zach shows up?

Does our secondary even have a chance against that WR Corp?

Can OL control Oakman, McManus and co?

Shall I go on?!

Horseman · September 18, 2023, 10:48:06 PM

It's not Harris we need to be concerned about (He may have injured his knee against Mtl) it is Oulette who is we need to be concerned with, he is a load to bring down.

3rdand1.5 · September 18, 2023, 11:08:41 PM

I am really concerned that;

-T.O will have great field position every time Leake touches the ball giving Chad a short field all game
-T.O will block a kick
-T.O will have a return for TD
-T.O will outkick/punt us and we will have essentially zero return game giving us a long field for Zach all day
-T.O's O-line will dominate our D-line and tire them out by the 3rd quarter
-That we will put out the same roster with the same deficiencies
-That we lose and it opens the door for BC

GOLDMEMBER · September 18, 2023, 11:23:36 PM

Yikes!

Next

TecnoGenius · September 18, 2023, 11:37:15 PM

I think our DB corps is one of the best in the league. Just look how almost no teams throw deep against us. The teams that beat us are all dinking & dunking us to death. If Hall goes into no-explosions mode for any team, it'll be this one. He'll give up the wide out the whole night to stop the explosion. The question is: will TOR be patient to take that out every time? Kelly may be a lot of things, but "patient" doesn't strike me as one of them.

Our OL will get the job done in pass pro. Not sure what will happen in the run game. However, if we think of this as a revenge game (for GC) and chip-on-shoulder game (for just getting smoked by HAM), I think our OL/BO20 will be monster on the run (bully ball).

Our run-D has been good and getting steadily better. I think we handle cracked egg mullet liver king guy. Other, lesser, teams have lately, why not us? Here's a hint WFC: if TOR gets within 25YL, they are running it to Oullette or Kelly. Period. Ignore the pass, because they aren't passing on 1st D.

TOR WRs haven't been anything special. They are still mostly no-names. None are ever good fantasy picks. Gittens is a massive '23 disappointment. Coxie and Philips are very hot & cold. I never thought Daniels was any good. TOR doesn't win by WR talent nor deep pass (Kelly) talent: they win by out-smarting and out-coaching the opponent. Now that is what I'm scared of. They out-smarted us all GC long, and I think they've only gotten better.

I think if our coaches/coords work their arsicles off in the bye week we have the talent to beat a full-strength TOR team. If we say "normal Bomber ball is good enough" then we're doomed. We have to start opening the playoff playbook, and start strategizing for each teams' weaknesses.

The #1 question though isn't any of this, it's: does TOR come to win or rotate out a few/bunch stars? Why should they try, and risk injury? I bet they dress their 3rd RB and he takes most snaps. And give Kelly a quarter or a half and pull him.

Waffler · September 18, 2023, 11:39:02 PM

We are at home and have greater motivation. TO is a formidable team though and can win if they care enough, hard to say since they already clinched first. Will they try for 60 minutes? And if we do lose I am still ok. If we lose to BC... then I'd be very far from ok.

Pete · September 18, 2023, 11:40:45 PM

one of the keys that we have to get better at is our short passing game. I felt this hurt us in ly grey cup and in several games this year.
Against the cats several times Zac gets chased out of the pocket and has no outlet pass receiver near by.

We are terrific with the long ball but we seem to have an issue if the other team is able to shut down the run, then plays 2 deep zone, Unfortunately Zac isn't great with the short out throws and our offense isn't set up that way. By the time the reciever gets the ball its so slow developing it doesn't go far.
Teams that have had success against the Argos seem to have done so with quick passes. With their pass rush there isn't a lot of time as we found out ly.
Another key is the special teams, in checking the stats i was surprised that on kickoffs Leak is only mid pack, it's on punts he excels so we need to kick away from him or even kick out of bounds deep.

Om defense Kelly loves to go down the center of the field deep to daniels or moxie..keep alexander deep to prevent this

TecnoGenius · September 18, 2023, 11:41:51 PM

Quote from: 3rdand1.5 on September 18, 2023, 11:08:41 PM
-T.O will block a kick

If TOR blocks a kick I'll be the most annoying potty-mouthed fan in the stands for 15 minutes after. It's all on film. It's all scheme and (lazy) execution. Those ST guys and hoggies better be in that film room studying how they are getting through the lines all week long!! Any 4th Q FG needs to have 6 actual hoggies on the line; any DLmen need to be outside the ends. Castillo will just have to make his kicks so miss-tackling isn't a concern.

Quote from: 3rdand1.5 on September 18, 2023, 11:08:41 PM
-T.O's O-line will dominate our D-line and tire them out by the 3rd quarter

Not it our OL/BO20 go into bully-ball mode and we control TOP. That's the key to not gassing our DL. DL has to be fresh to stop the Ouellette in the 4th. I bet we finally dress both Jeffcoat and Haba, with Cole staying home.

TecnoGenius · September 18, 2023, 11:48:14 PM

Quote from: Waffler on September 18, 2023, 11:39:02 PM
We are at home and have greater motivation. TO is a formidable team though and can win if they care enough, hard to say since they already clinched first. Will they try for 60 minutes? And if we do lose I am still ok. If we lose to BC... then I'd be very far from ok.

Our IGF record is near perfect and a huge boon for us in this game. Might it get louder than the BB? I think so. TOR hasn't played @IGF since 2021, have they? They have no idea what noise awaits. We're +3 or +6dB up on Mosaic, easily.

I think if we cared enough we can beat them too. I think part of our problem this year is not caring enough, from all members of WFC. So I don't care if TOR cares, I care if we care.

I think a win at home vs TOR is critical to our final W standings and GC path. If we lose to TOR we're going to go into BC Place and lose there too. And then we're stuck getting beat up on by SSK @IGF in WSF, whether we win or not. We need the confidence and momentum that beating a full or near-full strength TOR will bring.

GOLDMEMBER · September 19, 2023, 01:21:34 AM

Oh Tecno you are just to much man!

dd · September 19, 2023, 02:05:56 AM

Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 18, 2023, 11:48:14 PM
Our IGF record is near perfect and a huge boon for us in this game. Might it get louder than the BB? I think so. TOR hasn't played @IGF since 2021, have they? They have no idea what noise awaits. We're +3 or +6dB up on Mosaic, easily.

I think if we cared enough we can beat them too. I think part of our problem this year is not caring enough, from all members of WFC. So I don't care if TOR cares, I care if we care.

I think a win at home vs TOR is critical to our final W standings and GC path. If we lose to TOR we're going to go into BC Place and lose there too. And then we're stuck getting beat up on by SSK @IGF in WSF, whether we win or not. We need the confidence and momentum that beating a full or near-full strength TOR will bring.

Our IGF record didn?t help us out against BC when they embarrassed us at home early in the season.

We d better come out firing on all 3 phases or we ll be taken to the woodshed again for another whuppin!!

Holding my breath that the god Collaros shows up as I know we ll be outplayed in the ST aspect of the game so we need him at his best, none of this pick six in the first series crap.

GOLDMEMBER · September 19, 2023, 03:05:13 AM

Quote from: dd on September 19, 2023, 02:05:56 AM
Our IGF record didn?t help us out against BC when they embarrassed us at home early in the season.

We d better come out firing on all 3 phases or we ll be taken to the woodshed again for another whuppin!!

Holding my breath that the god Collaros shows up as I know we ll be outplayed in the ST aspect of the game so we need him at his best, none of this pick six in the first series crap.

really every side tor the friggin ball, ALL 3 SIDES, needs to improve to beat TO. I think and I hope they will.

TecnoGenius · September 19, 2023, 04:21:42 AM

Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on September 19, 2023, 01:21:34 AM
Oh Tecno you are just to much man!

I callz them like I seez them!

Quote from: dd on September 19, 2023, 02:05:56 AM
Our IGF record didn?t help us out against BC when they embarrassed us at home early in the season.

IGF losses: 1 (to first/second best team in W)
Away losses: 3 (to garbage sub-500 teams)

I like our IGF odds a lot better.

Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on September 19, 2023, 03:05:13 AM
really every side tor the friggin ball, ALL 3 SIDES, needs to improve to beat TO. I think and I hope they will.

I do too! I'm pretty confident for Sep 29. And if we win I'm confident for @BC too.

Throw Long Bannatyne · September 19, 2023, 04:43:14 AM

Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on September 19, 2023, 03:05:13 AM
really every side tor the friggin ball, ALL 3 SIDES, needs to improve to beat TO. I think and I hope they will.

ST doesn't have the horses to play a great game, we can only hope a few key players like Grant return after the bye, but I suspect none of them are ready yet. Worse case scenario, a loss against the Argos sets them up for a win next time they meet.

Waffler · September 19, 2023, 10:40:49 AM

I am leaning now to Argos playing this as an exhibition. Win the first quarter or first half with their starters and they will go home happy. No sense for them to keep their starters in for a knock down drag out fight that buys them nothing. If we play 4 quarters we will win it.