Will we go shopping for special teams

[3rdand1.5]

Our special team's are simply costing us. 100%they cost us a game today

BC won today due to special teams
T.O won yesterday due to special teams

If we want to get to the Grey Cup we need to get better, so how do we do it, what we have in house isn't good enough

[pjrocksmb]

Miller Hansen and Grant will bring some relief.

I would rather shop for a DL if Jeffcoat is hurt bad.

If Grant is hurt bad shop for a returner.

Shopping likely makes us overpay which we won't do.

If the right deal presents itself I'm game.

[Lincoln Locomotive]

Zach throwing 3 picks.....2 of them really forced throws didn't help us despite his 300+ yards.    He was outplayed by another 3rd string QB who looked more polished and poised than Collaros.    That's 3 losses the Bombers have had against 3rd string QBs.  That very last series, with good field position and plenty of time for a comeback .... Collaros looked particularly bad.....not sure what's up with him however I will now agree with DD that his play this season has been inconsistent unlike his past two MOP seasons.    He will NOT likely 3 peat as MOP this year, and that's just based on his erratic play throughout the season so far.
DD mentioned that whether or not we beat the Cats depends on if we get the "good Zach" or the "bad Zach".    I jumped to his defence when he posted this, however this game really exposed Zach's tendencies as of late.
Also giving the Cats a 3 point swing on. missed convert put an exclamation point on just how bad our STs are this season....and they haven't been able to fix it.    Miller?   I don't think he'll play this year and Grant likely won't play until the playoffs.....
Also our D was atrocious on 2nd and long today and Powell looked like a seasoned pro converting against it.
This was a game we should have won and we crapped the bed once again before a bye week whereas our rivals to the far west were able to mount a 4th quarter comeback down 20 points.   
All I can say is they will be facing the best team in the league after their week off and Toronto, despite sewing up first place in the East will be coming here to show us that the Grey Game last season wasn't a fluke.
Good luck Bombers because you'll need some to knock them off followed by playing BC at home immediately after.
Is it the end of the world?  Not really.   Will this ruin our chances of finished first in the West?    It all boils down to the last 4 games of the season and as DD puts it whether we get "the good Zach" or the "bad Zach", which is a label we used to apply to QBs like VAJ.

[pjrocksmb]

Zach throwing 3 picks.....2 of them really forced throws didn't help us despite his 300+ yards.    He was outplayed by another 3rd string QB who looked more polished and poised than Collaros.    That last series Collaros looked particularly bad.....not sure what's up with him however I will now agree with DD that his play this season has been incomplete and not like his past two MOP seasons.    He will NOT likely 3 peat as MOP this year, and that's just based on his erratic play throughout the season.
DD mentioned that whether or not we beat the Cats hinges on if we get the "good Zach" or the "bad Zach".    I jumped to his defence however this game really exposed Zach's tendencies as of late.
Also giving the Cats a 3 point swing on. missed convert put an exclaim point on just how bad our STs are this season....and they haven't been able to fix it.    Miller?   I don't think he'll play this year and Grant likely won't play until the playoffs.....

Zach has had a few bad games yes but is still very good and played exceptionally against Sask at home. 
Zach will finish with a strong year but no MOP agree.  Unrealistic to expect a three peat imo.

But to get back on track.... I do expect Miller , Grant and Hansen back.  Will help.

[Lincoln Locomotive]

Dd was over the top critical on Zach and took the extreme view.  Zach has had a few bad games yes but is still very good and played exceptionally against Sask at home.  Dd also said fire Hall, MOS and blow up management before our 2 cups lol.

But to get back on track.... I do expect Miller , Grant and Hansen back.  Will help.

I thought he was over the top, however something is off with Zach and yes he's had a remarkable career with us however he threw another 3 picks today!!   
And I believe both Grant and Miller are still on the 6 game list....so whether they return before the playoffs is still uncertain.
Just being realistic and I do hope your eternally prevailing optimism i has merit

[3rdand1.5]

Miller Hansen and Grant will bring some relief.

I would rather shop for a DL if Jeffcoat is hurt bad.

If Grant is hurt bad shop for a returner.

Shopping likely makes us overpay which we won't do.

If the right deal presents itself I'm game.

Miller, Hansen and Grant are injured and may not be back, we can't afford to wait for them any longer. Unless they will be back on the 29th

Agree to DL, at least lets see what we have...

We can't wait for Grant, if one of the new guys aren't true returners then go shopping, scouting, heck look under rocks.....but we also need better blocking, and better coverage

[DM83]

What bothers me is the inconsistency.

The De coordinator plays this prevent defense.
But the two cornerbacks are not competitive.
Zac has many safety valve guys open, but he seems to think he can make impossible type throws.
When in fact it?s the receivers, who make great catches on his underthrows.

I don?t see us getting out of the semifinal. Those teams who are lousy,  ?wanted it? more.  Ritchie Hall seems to be asleep.
And go back to Bully ball.  If they have ten guys in the box throw the rock.

One lousy game is an anomaly, but as previous posters have already noted, we are not prepared to play before a bye week.
The Bombers are starting to look like the Jets, just going through the motions sometime?.and they are all on defense.

[dd]

Collaros has been Jekyll and Hyde all year. When he?s on he?s dynamite, when he?s off, I can?t stsnd watching the games. He is the single biggest influence on the outcome of our games. Good Zack we waste teams, bad Zack we lose to teams that have no business being in the same ball park with us! The Ticats!?! The Redblacks!?! He definitely isn?t a runaway for mop this season, he?s now let chad Kelly enter the discussion.

[TecnoGenius]

Confining this post to ST: I think we should haul Grant out to play.  It's some iffy ankle thing, he's been running on sidelines some weeks recently.  So become Strevie and just play with an iffy ankle.  At some point you have to suck it up to help your team.

I'm not saying play on a break (though Strevie did) or whatever.  But if it's a booboo and you're just being extra cautious, now is the time you throw caution to the wind because the remaining games are all critical if we want to get #1 in W.  If he messes it up worse, who cares because in any event we're playing without Grant as it is and likely looking at a trade to get talent.

If we continue to hold Grant out in reserve for the post-season then we're going to be looking at having to play a WSF.  I'm not sure we can win 3 post-season games again to get a cup.

Now is the time for all wittow booboo players to come off the IR and contribute.  Sorry if that's harsh, but you can bet other top teams/players are pushing the envelope on the injury front.  Let's say we don't see Grant until the post-season... how many games will he have played this season?  3?

[3rdand1.5]

Confining this post to ST: I think we should haul Grant out to play.  It's some iffy ankle thing, he's been running on sidelines some weeks recently.  So become Strevie and just play with an iffy ankle.  At some point you have to suck it up to help your team.

I'm not saying play on a break (though Strevie did) or whatever.  But if it's a booboo and you're just being extra cautious, now is the time you throw caution to the wind because the remaining games are all critical if we want to get #1 in W.  If he messes it up worse, who cares because in any event we're playing without Grant as it is and likely looking at a trade to get talent.

If we continue to hold Grant out in reserve for the post-season then we're going to be looking at having to play a WSF.  I'm not sure we can win 3 post-season games again to get a cup.

Now is the time for all wittow booboo players to come off the IR and contribute.  Sorry if that's harsh, but you can bet other top teams/players are pushing the envelope on the injury front.  Let's say we don't see Grant until the post-season... how many games will he have played this season?  3?

Players health is important...

Miller, Hanson, Grant can not be counted on, not due to talent but they may not even take a snap again this year or ever. We keep holding out hope and filling them in house, and we just keep getting terrible results. If we don't have the in house guys to be a top special teams team then go get them, or admit we are not actauly trying to win the cup.

[Blue In BC]

I don't think we will find a good trade to improve our returner situation. Our ST problem is deeper than just on the return side. Our coverage teams are horrible and for some reason we seem happy to have short kick offs and punts with short hang time.

Even getting Grant back only solves part of the problem.  We don't know if or when any of the injured players might return. The issue was not being better prepared for injuries when they happened.

[Waffler]

Confining this post to ST: I think we should haul Grant out to play.  It's some iffy ankle thing, he's been running on sidelines some weeks recently.  So become Strevie and just play with an iffy ankle.  At some point you have to suck it up to help your team.

This is a crazy idea.  Didn't he run once? and never to be seen again?  Probably made it worse that day.

I am going to say coach up McRae and let him have another chance. He has more moves than Parker and he's fast.

[dd]

Playing a guy who?s not 100% is a ridiculous and irresponsible idea. You can?t risk a players health because our special teams suck. Find a replacement or sit back and watch mediocrity fail. We ve chosen to watch mediocrity fail and that?s disappointing.

[Blue In BC]

Playing a guy who?s not 100% is a ridiculous and irresponsible idea. You can?t risk a players health because our special teams suck. Find a replacement or sit back and watch mediocrity fail. We ve chosen to watch mediocrity fail and that?s disappointing.

Maybe but not exactly. Most players are playing at less than 100% by this time of the season. We played Streveler with a severe ankle injury in 2021 as an example. Depending on the position a player plays an ankle may have a more problematic issue. 

Bombers may be playing the long game with Grants injury and none of us really know how severe the problem may be. High ankle sprains can impede a player an entire season.

[TecnoGenius]

I don't think we will find a good trade to improve our returner situation.

Ya part of the problem though is the basement teams refuse to just die.  Just die basement teams!!

EDM, OTT, CGY, HAM (and even SSK) have all been winning games they shouldn't and staying in the fight.  That reduces the potential pool of trade partners before the deadline... Hopefully all 3 and 4 win teams don't win another game until the deadline.  That should eliminate most of them and open up some options.

In the past decade most GC-bound teams load up at the last minute.  Maybe that's become less of a thing the last 4 years (why?).  We should have tons of SMS because of all our 6G injuries.  Let's spend it (and more!!).  Go crazy.  I'm not so convinced anymore that 2024 will be a great year, so let's do it now.